How Much is the Most You'd Pay Mookie?

[Elktonnick]

Mookie didn't miss the last two months of the season with a back injury. Mookie hasn't been quoted in the last month talking about the problems associated with his back injury. But Verdugo has.

[mvp 78]

1. Mookie for one year plus 4th round pick.

 

2. Resetting the lux tax, Verdugo with potentially career shortening back issues, Gonsolin and someone else.

 

IDK, but option 2 sounds pretty good.

[moonslav59]

1. Well, it’s not Verdugo yet. 2. Safe bet if it is, Bloom will have more information about Verdugo’s back than a singular 4 week old news story. 3. If the Sox can’t reset, zero chance of Betts returning anyway, so any sort of jump at 2021 makes sense. The farm ain’t giving us the next Mookie any time soon...

 

Yes, and the hope and idea would be to strengthen the farm to some extent by trading Betts (and maybe other 1 year players now or at the deadline), resetting and then look to try and bring Mookie back next winter and be relevant in 2021.'

[moonslav59]

1. Mookie for one year plus 4th round pick.

 

2. Resetting the lux tax, Verdugo with potentially career shortening back issues, Gonsolin and someone else.

 

IDK, but option 2 sounds pretty good.

 

How about option 3: Ruiz, Gonsolin and Gray?

 

4 Gonsolin, Stripling and Gray or Cartaya?

[Larry Cook]

I think we start the season as is with this team right now.

 

If the starting pitching is not healthy or continues to under perform, you move a lot of pieces at the trade deadline for prospects.

[Hitch]

Nah, they just feel sorry for John Henry’s bank account.

 

Sound the non sequitur Klaxon!

[S5Dewey]

I think we start the season as is with this team right now.

 

If the starting pitching is not healthy or continues to under perform, you move a lot of pieces at the trade deadline for prospects.

 

...and I'm very good with that!

 

I'm not too worried about the value of the comp pick (whom the Sox choose) vs. the value of the pieces other teams are willing to give us. There's a good chance none of them will become ML'ers.

[mvp 78]

Sound the non sequitur Klaxon!

 

Is this the new “strawman” refrain? Bad content IMO.

 

Also, it wasn’t a non sequitur anyway.

[Bellhorn04]

I count 17 votes so far, with 9 saying they'd pay Betts $32.5 million a year or less...

 

Even if a Yankee fan or two voted, do half the posters on a Red Sox forum actually believe that Mookie Betts is worth less money per year than Anthony Rendon?

 

I don't think so. I suspect people are generally just looking at the total dollars.

 

Rendon's total dollars were $245 mill.

[Hitch]

Is this the new “strawman” refrain? Bad content IMO.

 

Also, it wasn’t a non sequitur anyway.

 

Many of your posts on this subject contain a non sequitur. Why you don't debate people's opinions rather than make up fantasy arguments, or deflect to another point, is hard to know. Maybe because you don't like the validity of the arguments being put forward and want to stick your fingers in your ears?

[Hitch]

I don't think so. I suspect people are generally just looking at the total dollars.

 

Rendon's total dollars were $245 mill.

 

Virtually everyone worried about the trade is worried about the effect such a contract has on the squad right now, and later when he's in decline. Why people are trying to paint it as - we don't see him as valuable as other player/contracts, and/or we're worried about JH's pocket is mystifying. And wearing.

[Kimmi]

None of the above. A ten year contract is insanity. Any club who signs one for that long will regret it after five years.

 

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner.

 

I am very late to the Mookie conversation, but his counter offer of 12 years / $420 mil is way beyond reasonable. I am glad he supposedly declined the Sox 10 year offer, because I would not even pay him that.

 

As of now, I am so over this Mookie saga. Trade him, bring back a viable right fielder and some prospects, and be done with it.

[Hitch]

The voice of sanity and reason returns!

[Kimmi]

I count 17 votes so far, with 9 saying they'd pay Betts $32.5 million a year or less...

 

Even if a Yankee fan or two voted, do half the posters on a Red Sox forum actually believe that Mookie Betts is worth less money per year than Anthony Rendon?

 

I would pay Mookie $32.5 mil a year for about 5 years. It's not the dollar amount, it's the number of years.

[Kimmi]

Nah, they just feel sorry for John Henry’s bank account.

 

The argument that "it's not our money, why should we care" is a weak argument that has never made sense to me.

 

Still doesn't hold much water.

[Elktonnick]

I would pay Mookie $32.5 mil a year for about 5 years. It's not the dollar amount, it's the number of years.

Amen Sister Amen

[Kimmi]

To me, that shouldn't matter to the plan of needing to improve the farm and young core.

 

It was the lossof Cora as our manager that tipped the balance to all but give up on 2020.

 

There is no reason to give up on 2020. If we trade Mookie and bring back someone like Verdugo, the Sox will be highly competitive.

 

If the Sox also throw in Price as a salary dump, then it might be a different story.

 

But as of now, there is no reason to give up on this season.

[TylerD]

350 mill through 6 years. Mans amazing

[Kimmi]

If they are better with Betts but not good enough, Verdugo bad back and all certainly would be a major step in the wrong direction.

 

They are good enough with or without Betts, as long as they have the starting pitching. They have the starting pitching, if the guys stay healthy.

 

Granted, that's a big if.

[Kimmi]

The voice of sanity and reason returns!

 

Good to see you Hitch.

[notin]

They are good enough with or without Betts, as long as they have the starting pitching. They have the starting pitching, if the guys stay healthy.

 

Granted, that's a big if.

 

 

Kimmi’s back!!

 

Welcome back Kimmi!!

 

Legend has it if you see your shadow, then it’s 2 weeks until pitchers and catchers report

[Kimmi]

Kimmi’s back!!

 

Welcome back Kimmi!!

 

Legend has it if you see your shadow, then it’s 2 weeks until pitchers and catchers report

 

Thanks!

 

It's nice and sunny down here today, so I'll have to make sure I go outside soon.

[moonslav59]

There is no reason to give up on 2020. If we trade Mookie and bring back someone like Verdugo, the Sox will be highly competitive.

 

If the Sox also throw in Price as a salary dump, then it might be a different story.

 

But as of now, there is no reason to give up on this season.

 

I'm fine with trying to remain somewhat competitive in 2020 via Verdugo or some combination of Gonsolin, Stripling and a prospect like Ruiz, Cartaya or Gray, but I want us to look stronger in 2021 and beyond with a reset under our belts.

 

I'm not totally writing off 2020, but we've spent 3-4 years in a row making moves geared towards "this year" at the expense of the "beyond this year." It's time to switch gears and start making moves that improve the extended future- perhaps at the expense of "this year."

 

It's what we did in 2012, and we ended up winning in 2013, so all may not be lost, but we need to help our future out.

[Kimmi]

I'm fine with trying to remain somewhat competitive in 2020 via Verdugo or some combination of Gonsolin, Stripling and a prospect like Ruiz, Cartaya or Gray, but I want us to look stronger in 2021 and beyond with a reset under our belts.

 

I'm not totally writing off 2020, but we've spent 3-4 years in a row making moves geared towards "this year" at the expense of the "beyond this year." It's time to switch gears and start making moves that improve the extended future- perhaps at the expense of "this year."

 

It's what we did in 2012, and we ended up winning in 2013, so all may not be lost, but we need to help our future out.

 

I understand that opinion completely. The FO is supposedly trying to strike a balance between remaining competitive for this year and strengthening our long term outlook. IMO, we have the talent to compete in 2020. I would not punt this season.

[Jack Flap]

Oy, Kimmi! Good to see you around.

[Kimmi]

Oy, Kimmi! Good to see you around.

 

Thanks! It's always a pleasure to see you and to read your posts.

[mvp 78]

The argument that "it's not our money, why should we care" is a weak argument that has never made sense to me.

 

Still doesn't hold much water.

 

The argument, the owners shouldn’t have to pay 8-10 year contracts to superstar players doesn’t hold water with me. Mookie is worth a ton to the Sox. Paying him 12/420 would be a net positive to the team.

 

Henry owns a baseball team, a soccer team, the Boston Globe, NESN, a NASCAR team and more. He can and should pay for Mookie.

[Kimmi]

The argument, the owners shouldn’t have to pay 8-10 year contracts to superstar players doesn’t hold water with me. Mookie is worth a ton to the Sox. Paying him 12/420 would be a net positive to the team.

 

Henry owns a baseball team, a soccer team, the Boston Globe, NESN, a NASCAR team and more. He can and should pay for Mookie.

 

We will have to disagree on signing players to long term contracts. Can Henry afford it? Of course he can. That doesn't mean that he should do it.

 

A 12/420 contract to Mookie might end up being a net positive. It might not be. But I am very confident in saying that at some point probably the about the last 5 years, the contract will turn into an albatross.

[mvp 78]

We will have to disagree on signing players to long term contracts. Can Henry afford it? Of course he can. That doesn't mean that he should do it.

 

A 12/420 contract to Mookie might end up being a net positive. It might not be. But I am very confident in saying that at some point probably the about the last 5 years, the contract will turn into an albatross.

I get it, because I’ve talked down other deals (Pedey). I just believe in Mookie.

[Slasher9]

Oh but the question is what do you ask for in return. If the penalties are a substantial lose in draft picks wouldn't it be prudent to accept draft picks as part of the compensation. Until you know the penalties I would argue it would be prudent to wait.

 

i dont think draft picks are really traded in baseball? football/basketball? yes. baseball? teams trade for MiLB players (of the PTBNL), not draft picks.