What should Bloom's plan for 2020 be?

[moonslav59]

I don't see the goals and aspirations of this Dodger's ownership group as any different than it was in 2012.

 

At the same time I don't see any dif in the Padres profile of putting together endless strings of meaningless seasons.

 

It's night and day. The fact that they are $30M under the lux line, right now is evidence enough.

[S5Dewey]

If Bradley starts the season in Boston, he finishes it there as well.

 

And with Pillar and Billy Hamilton still looking for jobs, Bradley doesn't look like the most attractive CF option on the market...

 

Here are some differences between Billy Hamilton and JBJ:

 

Billy Hamilton hasn't had an OPS over .700 in his career other than his rookie year when he played in 13 games.

 

Jackie Bradley Jr. Hasn't had an OPS UNDER .700 since 2014 in the past six years, and he's had two seasons over .800.

 

And as much as I hate to use WAR, when in Rome....

Hamilton has a combined WAR of 8.4 over the last seven seasons - his entire career.

JBJ has a combined WAR of 15 over the same past seven seasons - also his entire career.

 

Hamilton is a fine substitute for JBJ if a team is dumping salary and they want to put warm bodies on the field but if they want to be competitive JBJ is the better choice.

[Slasher9]

One thing I think we have already learned about Bloom is that the dude is patient.

 

i love this

[a700hitter]

One thing I think we have already learned about Bloom is that the dude is patient.

or paralyzed.

[Slasher9]

They still need somebody to take Price or Eovaldi. .

 

if they trade Mookie - why do the still need somebody to take Price or Eovaldi?

trading Mookie for prospects clears us of the LT for 2020.

[Bellhorn04]

if they trade Mookie - why do the still need somebody to take Price or Eovaldi?

trading Mookie for prospects clears us of the LT for 2020.

 

Correct.

[mvp 78]

if they trade Mookie - why do the still need somebody to take Price or Eovaldi?

trading Mookie for prospects clears us of the LT for 2020.

 

Maybe because Price's money could be better spent elsewhere?

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe because Price's money could be better spent elsewhere?

 

Maybe. But it all depends how much of his salary another team would be willing to pay.

[moonslav59]

Maybe. But it all depends how much of his salary another team would be willing to pay.

 

How much per year would you pay Price to pitch for us over the next 3 years?

 

I'd say somewhere between $8-12M a year. That mean, we may have to pay a team $20-24 a year to take him off our hands or take back a salary dump-type player to offset the cost.

 

I can see why some would rather just keep him and hope he rebounds rather than pay $22M for him to play elsewhere, but if we can get someone to take him, I'd go for it.

[mvp 78]

Maybe. But it all depends how much of his salary another team would be willing to pay.

 

That's up to Bloom to do the math.

[Slasher9]

Maybe because Price's money could be better spent elsewhere?

 

i dont disagree. i just dont think that makes it a "still need to"....

[notin]

Here are some differences between Billy Hamilton and JBJ:

 

Billy Hamilton hasn't had an OPS over .700 in his career other than his rookie year when he played in 13 games.

 

Jackie Bradley Jr. Hasn't had an OPS UNDER .700 since 2014 in the past six years, and he's had two seasons over .800.

 

And as much as I hate to use WAR, when in Rome....

Hamilton has a combined WAR of 8.4 over the last seven seasons - his entire career.

JBJ has a combined WAR of 15 over the same past seven seasons - also his entire career.

 

Hamilton is a fine substitute for JBJ if a team is dumping salary and they want to put warm bodies on the field but if they want to be competitive JBJ is the better choice.

 

Oh Bradley is the better player.

 

But why would a GM trade for Bradley at $11mill when he can sign Hamilton for significantly less? Hamilton is averaging a full WAR less per season, but might only sign for $4mill.

[mvp 78]

i dont disagree. i just dont think that makes it a "still need to"....

 

You've changed man...

[Slasher9]

You've changed man...

 

hahaha. price did that himself when he proved me wrong in 2018. although i do reserve the right to take Fortnite shots at him.

[Bellhorn04]

How much per year would you pay Price to pitch for us over the next 3 years?

 

I'd say somewhere between $8-12M a year. That mean, we may have to pay a team $20-24 a year to take him off our hands or take back a salary dump-type player to offset the cost.

 

I can see why some would rather just keep him and hope he rebounds rather than pay $22M for him to play elsewhere, but if we can get someone to take him, I'd go for it.

 

There's a lot of X factor with Price.

 

But you can say that about an awful lot of pitchers...

[moonslav59]

There's a lot of X factor with Price.

 

I know: that's why I asked.

 

I think GMs might pay him $8-12M x 3 years, if he was a FA.

 

That's about what I expect us to treat him in any deal.

[Bellhorn04]

I know: that's why I asked.

 

I think GMs might pay him $8-12M x 3 years, if he was a FA.

 

That's about what I expect us to treat him in any deal.

 

If he's 100% healthy, I could see up to $15 mill * 3.

[jacksonianmarch]

At this point with Price, it might behoove Bloom to wait til the season. If he’s healthy, let him show it and deal him to a team that’s desperate. Every year a good team loses a pitcher in ST to shoulder or elbow surgery. Wait til then, and there won’t be a discount he has to take for his now health

[moonslav59]

If he's 100% healthy, I could see up to $15 mill * 3.

 

Agreed- maybe more or much more, but GMs can't assume that.

[moonslav59]

At this point with Price, it might behoove Bloom to wait til the season. If he’s healthy, let him show it and deal him to a team that’s desperate. Every year a good team loses a pitcher in ST to shoulder or elbow surgery. Wait til then, and there won’t be a discount he has to take for his now health

 

He started out 2019 pretty well. The weird thing was that he had his longest start in mid April and never went 7 IP the rest of the year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bloom seems to be focusing appropriately on Betts right now. I think Bloom is too smart to enter the year with him. He is going to get some financial relief, but the deal will create instant depth for a team entirely lacking it. In today's game where a player misses two weeks if they fart wrong, you need to have depth. If the reports are accurate, the Padres are willing to move Myers (to anyone), Quantrill or Luchessi, Naylor or Margot, and Campusano. If I was Bloom, I would take Quantrill and Naylor. Quantrill has the highest upside and the blood lines. Luchessi is the apple pie of the group, you know what you're gonna get. Quantrill could form into an ace. Margot has issues with the stick, and guys who get older and hit less are suspect. I know he is athletic as hell and would slide into the OF without missing a beat, but he has half the control Naylor would. Naylor is known for his bat. You are likely to lose (or trade) JDM this year. Adding a stick first guy isn't terrible, especially if he ends up being the power monger everyone thinks he will be. The big chip in this deal is Campusano. This kid can rake and he can catch. He is your Vaz insurance. And heck, Vaz might have more trade value than anyone on the team. Maybe Campusano ends up the starting catcher halfway through 2021 and Vazquez is dealt off for a haul. Campusano would instantly become your #1 prospect. Naylor goes to AAA as depth as does Dalbec. Casas moves to A+ ball. Now you have guys at the corners who can rake in the minors while you sort out JD and Myers' situation. Maybe you find a taker for both and now you have Dalbec and Chavis in the IF with Bogey and Devers with Naylor at DH and your young core expands. Who knows.

 

I think Bloom is stuck with Eovaldi and Price. He is gonna have to run with them through ST and into April. If either of them show health and performance, you have the opportunity to move them. The problem is, if both of them are healthy through April and Sale is healthy, there is a good chance you're in the playoff race and that would be quite an issue. Nobody ever wants to deal someone when they are going good

[notin]

Bloom seems to be focusing appropriately on Betts right now. I think Bloom is too smart to enter the year with him. He is going to get some financial relief, but the deal will create instant depth for a team entirely lacking it. In today's game where a player misses two weeks if they fart wrong, you need to have depth. If the reports are accurate, the Padres are willing to move Myers (to anyone), Quantrill or Luchessi, Naylor or Margot, and Campusano. If I was Bloom, I would take Quantrill and Naylor. Quantrill has the highest upside and the blood lines. Luchessi is the apple pie of the group, you know what you're gonna get. Quantrill could form into an ace. Margot has issues with the stick, and guys who get older and hit less are suspect. I know he is athletic as hell and would slide into the OF without missing a beat, but he has half the control Naylor would. Naylor is known for his bat. You are likely to lose (or trade) JDM this year. Adding a stick first guy isn't terrible, especially if he ends up being the power monger everyone thinks he will be. The big chip in this deal is Campusano. This kid can rake and he can catch. He is your Vaz insurance. And heck, Vaz might have more trade value than anyone on the team. Maybe Campusano ends up the starting catcher halfway through 2021 and Vazquez is dealt off for a haul. Campusano would instantly become your #1 prospect. Naylor goes to AAA as depth as does Dalbec. Casas moves to A+ ball. Now you have guys at the corners who can rake in the minors while you sort out JD and Myers' situation. Maybe you find a taker for both and now you have Dalbec and Chavis in the IF with Bogey and Devers with Naylor at DH and your young core expands. Who knows.

 

I think Bloom is stuck with Eovaldi and Price. He is gonna have to run with them through ST and into April. If either of them show health and performance, you have the opportunity to move them. The problem is, if both of them are healthy through April and Sale is healthy, there is a good chance you're in the playoff race and that would be quite an issue. Nobody ever wants to deal someone when they are going good

 

Yeah that would be a real killer.

 

I kow you're desperate for the Sox to throw in the towel, but they aren't doing it.

 

It's January 27th. The Sox have not moved one big contract away yet. They have not acquired a single prospect. Know what that means? They're NOT rebuilding. No team has ever started a rebuild at this point in the offseason.

 

So just be ready. Hope Cole stays healthy. Hope that working without the sign stealing doesn't hold the Yankee hitters back too much. Just maybe... you're in for a race...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So far SD stands for stupid deal. Does any poster here that's not a Yankee fan actually think keeping a Hall of Famer for at least one more year is worse than Michael Myers (oh, the horror), two #5 starters (from the NL, no less), a spare outfielder, an overweight hitter with no position (been there, cut that), and an A-ball suspect?

[a700hitter]

So far SD stands for stupid deal. Does any poster here that's not a Yankee fan actually think keeping a Hall of Famer for at least one more year is worse than Michael Myers (oh, the horror), two #5 starters (from the NL, no less), a spare outfielder, an overweight hitter with no position (been there, cut that), and an A-ball suspect?

It would basically a salary dump. We would get nothing of value talent-wise in return.

 

Bloom would be going against several of his public statements that the organization would make every effort to keep Mookie long term. For all of his faults, Ben was not a liar. If Bloom dumps Betts for spare parts and a few seedlings, he will have demonstrated a lack of trustworthiness and character.

[notin]

It would basically a salary dump. We would get nothing of value talent-wise in return.

 

Bloom would be going against several of his public statements that the organization would make every effort to keep Mookie long term. For all of his faults, Ben was not a liar. If Bloom dumps Betts for spare parts and a few seedlings, he will have demonstrated a lack of trustworthiness and character.

 

I think that might be a bit harsh. It is possible that the best plan to keep Betts long term involves resetting now. Obviously moving Betts to reset and hoping to resign him carries serious risk, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t the best effort.

 

No one is getting excited about the names floating about. So far, they’re just rumors. Hopefully if he deals Betts, he can get a more useful package. And reset. And sign Betts back here for 2021-2030...

[Sox75]

BLOWING UP this team, which still has the firepower to make a legitimate run at a WS in 2020, just doesnt make sense to me.

 

When are you going to have the likes of superstars, JDM, Mookie, Bogie, Devers, JBJ on D, Benny? a hopeful star one day??? all on 1 team?

 

Get pitching??? & go for it.

 

If the season just isn't there due to pitching?

 

THEN.... You can have your fire sale before the trade deadline.

 

THEY BLOW THIS TEAM UP???

We vote with our feet! Out!

[moonslav59]

BLOWING UP this team, which still has the firepower to make a legitimate run at a WS in 2020, just doesnt make sense to me.

 

When are you going to have the likes of superstars, JDM, Mookie, Bogie, Devers, JBJ on D, Benny? a hopeful star one day??? all on 1 team?

 

Get pitching??? & go for it.

 

If the season just isn't there due to pitching?

 

THEN.... You can have your fire sale before the trade deadline.

 

THEY BLOW THIS TEAM UP???

We vote with our feet! Out!

 

All the best available pitchers have been taken.

 

Like it or not, we aren't spending, this year.

 

This is not the 2018 team- far from it.

 

Time to move on and look forward.

[Sox75]

All the best available pitchers have been taken.

 

Like it or not, we aren't spending, this year.

 

This is not the 2018 team- far from it.

 

Time to move on and look forward.

 

 

I do agree with this! Still, I'm not sure the case is clear that selling off now, as opposed to in the midst of a season where teams come upon extreme needs for a variety of players due to injury and the need to round out a roster to continue or make a serious run.

 

I personally believe that the Red Sox will be in a better power trade position as the season grinds on, and holes in rosters are exposed by injury or manifest need?

 

I dont see the need to panic trade, unless of course teams "make us offers that are SO GOOD, we simply can't refuse."

[S5Dewey]

I do agree with this! Still, I'm not sure the case is clear that selling off now, as opposed to in the midst of a season where teams come upon extreme needs for a variety of players due to injury and the need to round out a roster to continue or make a serious run.

 

I personally believe that the Red Sox will be in a better power trade position as the season grinds on, and holes in rosters are exposed by injury or manifest need?

 

I dont see the need to panic trade, unless of course teams "make us offers that are SO GOOD, we simply can't refuse."

 

I agree with this. I'm tired of all the poor offers for Mookie and Price from other teams. Yes, there's a downside to these two players but there's a huge upside for the team that gets them too - especially in the case of Mookie.

 

Sit tight with what we've got and see how things look mid-summer. If we decide to be sellers I have to ask how much worse can the offers be then than what we're getting offered now???

[moonslav59]

I do agree with this! Still, I'm not sure the case is clear that selling off now, as opposed to in the midst of a season where teams come upon extreme needs for a variety of players due to injury and the need to round out a roster to continue or make a serious run.

 

I personally believe that the Red Sox will be in a better power trade position as the season grinds on, and holes in rosters are exposed by injury or manifest need?

 

I dont see the need to panic trade, unless of course teams "make us offers that are SO GOOD, we simply can't refuse."

 

I'm not assuming the offers get better.

 

One year of Betts is better than 2 months, although 2 months is cheaper. Also, trading for Betts, now, adds compensation, if he signs elsewhere in 2021.

 

Workman's value may never be higher.

 

Price and Eovaldi may get hurt, again or suck to start 2020, so trading them this summer might be even harder.

 

I agree on waiting with JD. His market might heat up, and it's virtually dried up now, anyways.

 

The 2 year players (ERod, Barnes & Hembree) can wait. I'd try to extend ERod.

 

To me, getting something now for Betts makes sense. Reset and then go after him this winter. Getting some salary relief for Price & Eovaldi cuts our losses and could be additions by subtractions.

 

JD is a big part of this team, but if anybody think's he's not opting out, this winter, then you must be thinking he'll get hurt of decline in 2020, so keeping him for a "lost year" makes little sense. I'm not for handing him away for nothing, but we won't get much now, so I'd wait on him.

 

Betts and at least one from Price & Eovaldi, now.

 

The other plus JD and Workman in July. Maybe Barnes, too.

 

If that's a "blow-up" then so be it, but we'll be much better positioned for 2021 and beyond doing this rather than doing nothing and hoping some trade values rise by July.