What should Bloom's plan for 2020 be?

[moonslav59]

I hated giving away Meredith at 22... then he only kicked around for five more years. Career W-L: 14-14.

 

Wasn't Kottaras kind of Swihart before Swihart?

 

Yes, I recalled he was supposed to be a big offensive catcher.

 

Cla had one great year in SD (50 IP/0.711 WHIP), but then had a 1.45 WHIP afterwards in 230 IP to end his ML career.

[Larry Cook]

Hang’em Chaim has been dangling bait all offseason and no one is biting!

 

Plan b should be to let’s get all our pitchers healthy and use spring training to properly prepare them for the regular season and let’s go take our crown back!

 

Interesting how history repeats itself. At the start of the 1920’s we sold 2/3’s of our team to the Yankees and we went into an 86 year tailspin,

 

Now at the start of the 2020’s are we about trade off most of our team and start another tailspin?

[jacksonianmarch]

Larry, your tailspin was predetermined when DD sold off the crops, scorched the ground and salted the earth. When the farm dries up and you cannot even get replacement level out of your prospects, you cannot survive. My hope is you try to prop this up, because the Sox aren’t good enough to beat the Yanks this year and it would heavily impact the Sox long term

[moonslav59]

Hang’em Chaim has been dangling bait all offseason and no one is biting!

 

Plan b should be to let’s get all our pitchers healthy and use spring training to properly prepare them for the regular season and let’s go take our crown back!

 

Interesting how history repeats itself. At the start of the 1920’s we sold 2/3’s of our team to the Yankees and we went into an 86 year tailspin,

 

Now at the start of the 2020’s are we about trade off most of our team and start another tailspin?

 

If we don't make trades, a tailspin is nearly certain or at best, worse after 2020.

[notin]

Hang’em Chaim has been dangling bait all offseason and no one is biting!

 

Plan b should be to let’s get all our pitchers healthy and use spring training to properly prepare them for the regular season and let’s go take our crown back!

 

Interesting how history repeats itself. At the start of the 1920’s we sold 2/3’s of our team to the Yankees and we went into an 86 year tailspin,

 

Now at the start of the 2020’s are we about trade off most of our team and start another tailspin?

 

Really? You think that should be Plan B??!?!

[notin]

Larry, your tailspin was predetermined when DD sold off the crops, scorched the ground and salted the earth. When the farm dries up and you cannot even get replacement level out of your prospects, you cannot survive. My hope is you try to prop this up, because the Sox aren’t good enough to beat the Yanks this year and it would heavily impact the Sox long term

 

Unless the Sox get punished so severely for cheating that it scares the Yankees into stopping, too...

[moonslav59]

Really? You think that should be Plan B??!?!

 

How do you make a plan to create healthy pitchers out of injury prone pitchers?

 

If anybody had one, they'd make millions.

 

Eventually, Bloom will have to settle on the best offers. Most likely, it will be in July, but I still think a Betts or JBJ trade before opening day can happen.

[Station 13]

In a weird way, I actually think Bloom wants Myers. The guy has tools and has a TB connection. But I do agree, eating that whole contract is not in the cards

 

Myers is due 67M, his AAV becomes irrelevant. If he can perform to 4WAR then it would be an asset.

[moonslav59]

Myers is due 67M, his AAV becomes irrelevant. If he can perform to 4WAR then it would be an asset.

 

The AVV is very important to the Sox but not the Padres.

 

It's a huge part of why he interests the Sox- that and a need for a 1Bman and 4th OF'er.

[notin]

Myers is due 67M, his AAV becomes irrelevant. If he can perform to 4WAR then it would be an asset.

 

Any player who can top 4 fWAR can be an asset.

 

Myers has 3.0 fWAR in the last 3 seasons combined and has topped 1.6 fWAR one time since 2014. I don’t have any faith in him magically becoming a 4 WAR player in his 30s when he couldn’t be one in his 20s...

[notin]

How do you make a plan to create healthy pitchers out of injury prone pitchers?

 

If anybody had one, they'd make millions.

 

Eventually, Bloom will have to settle on the best offers. Most likely, it will be in July, but I still think a Betts or JBJ trade before opening day can happen.

 

As I said before, if you’re going to trade Betts, do it now. Position players don’t get great deadline e returns. Wait on Price, but Eovaldi now. He won’t make it to the deadline healthy...

[moonslav59]

Any player who can top 4 fWAR can be an asset.

 

Myers has 3.0 fWAR in the last 3 seasons combined and has topped 1.6 fWAR one time since 2014. I don’t have any faith in him magically becoming a 4 WAR player in his 30s when he couldn’t be one in his 20s...

 

The only reason Myers offered any attraction was the AVV vs actual cost differential in an exchange for Price or Eovaldi.

 

It was never about what he does for us, but there was a sliver of hope he might give us something at 1B, which is better than just giving cash to offset Price's or Eovaldi's bloated deals.

 

Myers for Betts is a joke, IMO. If they gave us Patino & Campusano with Myers, I might listen, but I'm not getting why we aren't insisting they take Price or Eovaldi with Betts. We could even add $6-9M.

 

Myers is not giving us anywhere near a 4 WAR. H'es a straight salary dump player. Betts is not.

[moonslav59]

As I said before, if you’re going to trade Betts, do it now. Position players don’t get great deadline e returns. Wait on Price, but Eovaldi now. He won’t make it to the deadline healthy...

 

That's why I'd approach this as a Betts + Eovaldi offer. We might have to just settle on the best offer, but by adding some cash, we should get something very very worthwhile.

[notin]

That's why I'd approach this as a Betts + Eovaldi offer. We might have to just settle on the best offer, but by adding some cash, we should get something very very worthwhile.

 

I deal them separate. No point in watering down a Betts return. And I’d be OK with an Eovaldi/Odor trade...

[Bellhorn04]

Keep wheelin' and dealin' guys!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2020/01/26/discussions-are-evolving-mookie-betts-trade-talks-with-dodgers-padres/P5BDPvQWmknsMklY8YMK7K/story.html

 

With this latest from Speier, I'm sensing things are getting serious. Thankfully (I guess) most of the names in play are -- gasp -- prospects that many keep insisting could never be swapped for one year of a Hall of Famer... At least Bloom waited until he had two rivals bidding against each other.

 

No matter the return, when/if this goes down it will be a sad overall day for the Nation... and it's already sad that it ever had to come to this. People can keep spinning the narrative that it's all the fault of an ex-GM who spent large on other players -- with the blessing of his rich bosses -- but I'll never be convinced that when Betts is traded it isn't just because he didn't want to be here anymore.

[notin]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2020/01/26/discussions-are-evolving-mookie-betts-trade-talks-with-dodgers-padres/P5BDPvQWmknsMklY8YMK7K/story.html

 

With this latest from Speier, I'm sensing things are getting serious. Thankfully (I guess) most of the names in play are -- gasp -- prospects that many keep insisting could never be swapped for one year of a Hall of Famer... At least Bloom waited until he had two rivals bidding against each other.

 

No matter the return, when/if this goes down it will be a sad overall day for the Nation... and it's already sad that it ever had to come to this. People can keep spinning the narrative that it's all the fault of an ex-GM who spent large on other players -- with the blessing of his rich bosses -- but I'll never be convinced that when Betts is traded it isn't just because he didn't want to be here anymore.

 

The problem with these articles is they keep listing Dodger prospects but never say who the Dodgers are willing to give up. By merely not asking the Sox to take (someone like) Myers, they’ve already upped the offer...

[Jack Flap]

I've always been on team #KeepMookie, but if we truly have two prospect-rich division rivals bidding against each other, we may get to the point where it does make the most sense for the long-term future of the franchise to get the best haul you can. You can always try to sign Mookie a year from now if you so choose.

 

I trust Bloom to do the right thing here.

[Bellhorn04]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2020/01/26/discussions-are-evolving-mookie-betts-trade-talks-with-dodgers-padres/P5BDPvQWmknsMklY8YMK7K/story.html

 

With this latest from Speier, I'm sensing things are getting serious. Thankfully (I guess) most of the names in play are -- gasp -- prospects that many keep insisting could never be swapped for one year of a Hall of Famer... At least Bloom waited until he had two rivals bidding against each other.

 

No matter the return, when/if this goes down it will be a sad overall day for the Nation... and it's already sad that it ever had to come to this. People can keep spinning the narrative that it's all the fault of an ex-GM who spent large on other players -- with the blessing of his rich bosses -- but I'll never be convinced that when Betts is traded it isn't just because he didn't want to be here anymore.

 

I see no reason to think Mookie wants to be traded.

 

But obviously his decision to go to free agency has a lot to do with this.

[notin]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2020/01/26/discussions-are-evolving-mookie-betts-trade-talks-with-dodgers-padres/P5BDPvQWmknsMklY8YMK7K/story.html

 

With this latest from Speier, I'm sensing things are getting serious. Thankfully (I guess) most of the names in play are -- gasp -- prospects that many keep insisting could never be swapped for one year of a Hall of Famer... At least Bloom waited until he had two rivals bidding against each other.

 

No matter the return, when/if this goes down it will be a sad overall day for the Nation... and it's already sad that it ever had to come to this. People can keep spinning the narrative that it's all the fault of an ex-GM who spent large on other players -- with the blessing of his rich bosses -- but I'll never be convinced that when Betts is traded it isn't just because he didn't want to be here anymore.

 

 

Never confuse wanting as much money as possible with wanting out of Boston. Not even remotely the same thing...

[jacksonianmarch]

You guys all know that the union wants everyone to go to FA and make top dollar, right? Some guys take less for the security. Other guys toe the company line and bet on themselves. Betts is betting on himself, and he is one great year away from hitting it bit

[moonslav59]

I deal them separate. No point in watering down a Betts return. And I’d be OK with an Eovaldi/Odor trade...

 

Me, too, but why haven't these type deals even been rumored?

[moonslav59]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2020/01/26/discussions-are-evolving-mookie-betts-trade-talks-with-dodgers-padres/P5BDPvQWmknsMklY8YMK7K/story.html

 

With this latest from Speier, I'm sensing things are getting serious. Thankfully (I guess) most of the names in play are -- gasp -- prospects that many keep insisting could never be swapped for one year of a Hall of Famer... At least Bloom waited until he had two rivals bidding against each other.

 

No matter the return, when/if this goes down it will be a sad overall day for the Nation... and it's already sad that it ever had to come to this. People can keep spinning the narrative that it's all the fault of an ex-GM who spent large on other players -- with the blessing of his rich bosses -- but I'll never be convinced that when Betts is traded it isn't just because he didn't want to be here anymore.

 

The best case scenario, IMO, is to trade Betts, then re-sign him.

[jacksonianmarch]

The best case scenario, IMO, is to trade Betts, then re-sign him.

 

It is absolutely mind boggling that some people don't see this FACT above

[notin]

The best case scenario, IMO, is to trade Betts, then re-sign him.

 

 

A viewpoint held by myself and Slasher.

 

Although I’d prefer trading others...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It is absolutely mind boggling that some people don't see this FACT above

 

What fact: someone's opinion? While I agree that Moon's scenario would be ideal for fans who are pessimistic about Boston's chances this year, it is my opinion that once Mookie leaves, he's gone for good.

 

I have never spoken to Betts personally, but history shows only a rare few guys out of hundreds of traded free agents that re-signed with their original clubs the next year. More importantly, he has never once said he would love to play his entire career in the balmy 30-degree April nights of New England, nor have I ever even seen him quoted that playing in front of a rabid fanbase of mostly full-houses on an annual contender is a priority.

 

As for money, there have been big-time free agents, when choosing between the two highest bidders, who took the second-best offer because of personal preferences. Nobody really knows anything -- except Mookie, his family, his agents and maybe the Red Sox.

[jacksonianmarch]

I never understood the idea that Betts would be gone for good. Mookie is going to sign with the highest bidder. PERIOD. If the sox want him back, they can offer the most money. If the sox don't offer the most money, they won't. This year won't change that.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I never understood the idea that Betts would be gone for good. Mookie is going to sign with the highest bidder. PERIOD. If the sox want him back, they can offer the most money. If the sox don't offer the most money, they won't. This year won't change that.

 

It's a fact that that's your opinion.

[jacksonianmarch]

So after Betts said he wants to go to Free Agency, even when the sox have publicly stated that they have attempted to extend him, you still believe he is going to sign somewhere that offers him less money? What is he gonna be butthurt about being dealt off a sinking ship? He would probably love it.

 

The sox will not win 90 games in 2020 with Betts or without him. That is my opinion, but I think the Marlins have a better chance of winning 65 games than the sox do of winning 90. And even if the sox win 90, they still might miss the POs

[notin]

What fact: someone's opinion? While I agree that Moon's scenario would be ideal for fans who are pessimistic about Boston's chances this year, it is my opinion that once Mookie leaves, he's gone for good.

 

I have never spoken to Betts personally, but history shows only a rare few guys out of hundreds of traded free agents that re-signed with their original clubs the next year. More importantly, he has never once said he would love to play his entire career in the balmy 30-degree April nights of New England, nor have I ever even seen him quoted that playing in front of a rabid fanbase of mostly full-houses on an annual contender is a priority.

 

As for money, there have been big-time free agents, when choosing between the two highest bidders, who took the second-best offer because of personal preferences. Nobody really knows anything -- except Mookie, his family, his agents and maybe the Red Sox.

 

The whole “once he’s gone he ain’t coming back” mentality also applies to the end of 2020, right?

 

First of all, players do re-sign with the team that traded them all the team. Most don’t, largely because there are 29 other teams.

 

We know Betts wants as much money as possible. That keeps the large market Red Sox in the running. Resetting does as well. How many teams have the money available to sign Betts next year? Th Yankees likely spent their allowance this year. The Red Sox can. Maybe the Dodgers. Maybe the Mets. Anyone else?