A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[notin]

Although Mookie Betts may be a better bet than David Price to remain healthy.

 

 

Yeah but not really the point...

[Bellhorn04]

The Dodgers are good enough to win a WS. They don't "need" Betts to win a title. Betts upgrades a position, but it isn't like he is upgrading a black hole. He is upgrading a good position to an elite one.

 

I'm a little surprised the Dodgers haven't added a starting pitcher. I know they have some young guys coming.

 

One possibility is that the Sox and Dodgers talked about Price and the Dodgers said they'd like to see him pitch some real games first.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm a little surprised the Dodgers haven't added a starting pitcher. I know they have some young guys coming.

 

One possibility is that the Sox and Dodgers talked about Price and the Dodgers said they'd like to see him pitch some real games first.

 

They have 2 aces atop their rotation. They believe May can take the next step and be a #3. Stipling and Maeda are a reliable 4-5. I think they were interested in only 2 pitchers on the market, MadBum and Cole. Cole got way more money and MadBum said he wanted to go to Arizona from the outset

[moonslav59]

The Best

 

Two-seamers and sinkers

 

Starters, min. 250 thrown

89 pitchers

1) .247 -- Eduardo Rodriguez, Red Sox

2) .268 -- Aaron Civale, Guardians

3) .269 -- Brandon Woodruff, Brewers

4) .272 -- Julio Teheran, Angels

5) .273 -- Jack Flaherty, Cardinals

[moonslav59]

They have 2 aces atop their rotation. They believe May can take the next step and be a #3. Stipling and Maeda are a reliable 4-5. I think they were interested in only 2 pitchers on the market, MadBum and Cole. Cole got way more money and MadBum said he wanted to go to Arizona from the outset.

 

Urias (2.49 ERA in 80 IP), Wood (3.73 career ERA, but sucked last year) & Gonsolin (2.93 ERA in 40 IP)

[jacksonianmarch]

They have 2 aces atop their rotation. They believe May can take the next step and be a #3. Stipling and Maeda are a reliable 4-5. I think they were interested in only 2 pitchers on the market, MadBum and Cole. Cole got way more money and MadBum said he wanted to go to Arizona from the outset.

 

Urias (2.49 ERA in 80 IP), Wood (3.73 career ERA, but sucked last year) & Gonsolin (2.93 ERA in 40 IP)

 

Exactly, they have the depth both veteran and young, they have the guys at the top. They don't need a pitcher

[moonslav59]

Exactly, they have the depth both veteran and young, they have the guys at the top. They don't need a pitcher

 

They are deeper than even the guys we mentioned.

 

Kershaw

Buehler (112 value on Trade Values)

Urias (34)

Maeda (12)

Wood

 

Here's the ratings given by the Trade Values site on their pitching prospects and young depth:

62 May

19 Gonsolin

19 Stripling

18 Gray

 

8 Kolarek

7 Baez

5 Ferguson

3 White & Santana

 

Sox values:

28 ERod

24 Barnes

12 Mata

11 D Hern

6 Taylor

6 Walden

5 Workman

5 Ward

4 Groome & Houck

 

Gray would be out 3rd highest valued pitcher!

 

[Hitch]

A very nice outcome would be if you can trade Mookie and Price to the Dodgers for a good package of MLB ready players and a top prospect or two. See if you can trade Eovaldi to Padres for Will Myers. Swap bad contracts but save another $6m a year in luxury tax.

 

Lot of money saved, a lottery ticket (if a very expensive one) with Myers, some good prospects and some players ready to go in the team now, and we've got rid of two painful pitching contracts, both of which could hurt as badly with injuries going forward and given ourselves a lot of flexibility with the payroll.

 

Long shot, but it would be pretty good outcome for the Sox.

[moonslav59]

A very nice outcome would be if you can trade Mookie and Price to the Dodgers for a good package of MLB ready players and a top prospect or two. See if you can trade Eovaldi to Padres for Will Myers. Swap bad contracts but save another $6m a year in luxury tax.

 

Lot of money saved, a lottery ticket (if a very expensive one) with Myers, some good prospects and some players ready to go in the team now, and we've got rid of two painful pitching contracts, both of which could hurt as badly with injuries going forward and given ourselves a lot of flexibility with the payroll.

 

Long shot, but it would be pretty good outcome for the Sox.

 

Good, in theory- harder to do in practice.

[mvp 78]

Why would the Dodgers want Price?

[jacksonianmarch]

Right now, there is a lot of smoke with the sox and either LA or SD. I do not understand the SD aspect. They need pitching and won 70 games last year. They did add Davies, but I doubt that changes much for them. Maybe Richards ends up being an ace again and they patch it together, but I don't see them contending in the ALW with or without Betts. You only go out and get an uber talented, but high priced and rental Betts if you are going to be favorites for the division, and they wont be. But SD did send Urias to Milwaukee, so maybe they're gonna play fast and loose with their prospects? Not sure. Maybe they think that their farm is a limitless place of potential and they'll just get another top talent behind him? Not sure. But that team would be best served promoting from within and then going out on the FA market next year and getting a starter. Heck, I could DEFINITELY see an ERod to SD deal, but not a Mookie to SD deal. LA makes more sense. I get that LA doesn't want to part with Ruiz, May, or Lux. They likely don't have to. They can also mandate that the sox take Pollock, although Pollock's contract isn't a bad one per se, especially if healthy. Maybe the sox can buy a distressed asset for once instead of dealing one off? So be it. But if the sox dealt Betts alone for Pollock, they would have enough capital to require a now SP (like Stripling) and 2 prospects. Maybe they can pry Downs and Gray or Gonsolin and a lesser prospect as Gonsolin is MLB ready? Not sure, but it seems the Dodgers are the best bet

[mvp 78]

Right now, there is a lot of smoke with the sox and either LA or SD. I do not understand the SD aspect. They need pitching and won 70 games last year. They did add Davies, but I doubt that changes much for them. Maybe Richards ends up being an ace again and they patch it together, but I don't see them contending in the ALW with or without Betts. You only go out and get an uber talented, but high priced and rental Betts if you are going to be favorites for the division, and they wont be. But SD did send Urias to Milwaukee, so maybe they're gonna play fast and loose with their prospects? Not sure. Maybe they think that their farm is a limitless place of potential and they'll just get another top talent behind him? Not sure. But that team would be best served promoting from within and then going out on the FA market next year and getting a starter. Heck, I could DEFINITELY see an ERod to SD deal, but not a Mookie to SD deal. LA makes more sense. I get that LA doesn't want to part with Ruiz, May, or Lux. They likely don't have to. They can also mandate that the sox take Pollock, although Pollock's contract isn't a bad one per se, especially if healthy. Maybe the sox can buy a distressed asset for once instead of dealing one off? So be it. But if the sox dealt Betts alone for Pollock, they would have enough capital to require a now SP (like Stripling) and 2 prospects. Maybe they can pry Downs and Gray or Gonsolin and a lesser prospect as Gonsolin is MLB ready? Not sure, but it seems the Dodgers are the best bet

 

Seems like the Pads were just interested in jettisoning Myers' salary?

[Bellhorn04]

Why would the Dodgers want Price?

 

The Dodgers could want Price if they only had to pay about half his salary.

 

They have lots of room under the tax threshold, and you can't have enough pitching.

[mvp 78]

The Dodgers could want Price if they only had to pay about half his salary.

 

They have lots of room under the tax threshold, and you can't have enough pitching.

 

Price (1/2 contract) for Stripling and a prospect?

[moonslav59]

The Dodgers could want Price if they only had to pay about half his salary.

 

They have lots of room under the tax threshold, and you can't have enough pitching.

 

Yes, they have a lot of budget space, but I'm sure they don't want to fill it up with 3 years of Price's contract when they already are about 8-9 deep with SP'ers and good SP'er prospects.

 

To me, forcing them to take Eovaldi make more financial sense to the Dodgers than Price, but only if we take back Pollock's deal and a couple of their SP'ers (prospect or ML).

 

Something like Betts & Eovaldi for Pollock, Gonsolin, Gray and Cartaya as a starting point. Maybe Cartaya gets dropped or we have to add Workman or Walden to get all 4.

[moonslav59]

Price (1/2 contract) for Stripling and a prospect?

 

I'd rather have Stripling than Price, even if they got paid the same. Same with Gonsolin, Maeda and probably Gray.

[notin]

Price (1/2 contract) for Stripling and a prospect?

 

Are the Dodgers getting any better by replacing 2018 All Star Ross Stripling with Price?

[moonslav59]

Are the Dodgers getting any better by replacing 2018 All Star Ross Stripling with Price?

 

We'd have to pay $40M of Price's $32M deal to get Strippling.

[mvp 78]

Are the Dodgers getting any better by replacing 2018 All Star Ross Stripling with Price?

 

I was just trying to name a guy that could start for us, but wouldn't be in the Dodgers Opening Day rotation this year. Dodgers really used him like a swing man last year. Maybe they'd rather Price who can eat innings?

[notin]

I was just trying to name a guy that could start for us, but wouldn't be in the Dodgers Opening Day rotation this year. Dodgers really used him like a swing man last year. Maybe they'd rather Price who can eat innings?

 

No idea what they want, but to me Price for Stripling is a tough sell.

 

If they do want Price, it's probably just to lessen what it takes to get Betts. This is a team that lives and dies with its prospects.

 

And the question is, are they really just sending that message to Bloom? San Diego wants Betts, but also wants Boston to take Wil Myers (3 years $67mill). Instead of heaving more deadweight contracts back, the Dodgers are willing to take one on in order to get Betts. I would have thought not taking back Myers was enough appeal on its own, but the Dodgers appear to be going above and beyond...

[mvp 78]

I'm glad that Bloom is now weighing multiple offers at the very least. Hard to get the best return possible if you are only talking to one trade partner.

[a700hitter]

He should be hiring a manager.

[mvp 78]

He should be hiring a manager.

 

Which position will he play?

[jacksonianmarch]

Truck day is a week from today. He’s essentially got til truck day to hire someone. At this point, nary a rumor about an interview

[mvp 78]

Attn notin:

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2020/1/27/21082944/boston-red-sox-mookie-betts-trade-jackie-bradley-jr-yasiel-puig

[mvp 78]

Truck day is a week from today. He’s essentially got til truck day to hire someone. At this point, nary a rumor about an interview

 

Do they need to package the manager in a crate on the back of the truck?

[Bellhorn04]

do they need to package the manager in a crate on the back of the truck?

 

lol

[a700hitter]

Do they need to package the manager in a crate on the back of the truck?

The manager drives the truck.

[notin]

Attn notin:

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2020/1/27/21082944/boston-red-sox-mookie-betts-trade-jackie-bradley-jr-yasiel-puig

 

 

His insanity might work to the Sox' benefit.

[jacksonianmarch]

Do they need to package the manager in a crate on the back of the truck?

 

Truck day is the last call before ST. You really should have a manager and a plan in place by ST