A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[Nick]

Yup.

It would be worst of luck if Price, Sale and Eovaldi ALL remain hurt for remainder of their contract years.

 

At best, this is not a bad starting rotation, regardless of who #5 is.

[Bellhorn04]

You don't know s***.

 

Show some proof he somehow fractured the locker room of a team that won 93 games and a division title. The incident took place in April 2017. For a fractured team, they sure played pretty well the last 140-145 games of the season. C'mon, man up and show proof, although I know you won't.

 

I'll repeat myself, you don't know jack about anything.

 

Agreed. The facts totally contradict Larry's statement. Which is nothing new, of course. There are reasons he does his posting in late night drive-by fashion, and rarely responds when anyone calls him on his nonsense.

[moonslav59]

Reminds me of the fans and media jumped all over Lackey for being a poor teammate. It turned out his antics were directed at himself not the other players, they knew it and they loved him.

 

I agree. We don't know jack s*** about what goes on in the clubhouse and the hearts and souls of every or most players.

[jacksonianmarch]

Do you know how serious Sale's was/is? Could they have just put him on the DL because we were out of it, and maybe it wasn't as bad as it might appear to be?

 

Could they have given him the injection out of precaution, and maybe it's not really a sign it was/is severe tendinitis?

 

Again, I'm not pretending to know how he'll be next year, but I'm continually surprised you seem to know for sure.

 

Why do PRP for grade 1 tendinitis? Doesn’t make sense. Why see Andrews for a negative tear MRI? One of the gifts I was given in my training was to read through ******** when it comes to medical treatments, drugs, etc. as there’s a lot of misinformation. I’m seeing a treatment here for a partial or complete tear yet a media report of “mild tendinitis”. It is his medical information, so maybe he hasn’t given permission beyond what was stated to disseminate anything else? Maybe the Sox want more people to buy season tickets with the hope he isn’t more hurt than he is? Who knows, but the treatment doesn’t fit the stated disease

[Slasher9]

I wonder how big of a story the Astros sign-stealing allegations will become.

 

it would be even bigger if there was a parade in Houston last month...

[Slasher9]

Reminds me of the fans and media jumped all over Lackey for being a poor teammate. It turned out his antics were directed at himself not the other players, they knew it and they loved him.

 

come on moon. your post is not true at all. lackey may have occasionally bit his own head off but he was NOTORIOUS for showing up his fielders. it was certainly why i always hated him and hated his signing.

[kenmeister]

It would be worst of luck if Price, Sale and Eovaldi ALL remain hurt for remainder of their contract years.

 

At best, this is not a bad starting rotation, regardless of who #5 is.

 

I'm fairly confident Price & Eovaldi will continue to mix periods of effectiveness in with their ongoing injuries. Sale I'm most worried about. E-Rod is the clear leader of the rotation now.

[moonslav59]

Why do PRP for grade 1 tendinitis? Doesn’t make sense. Why see Andrews for a negative tear MRI? One of the gifts I was given in my training was to read through ******** when it comes to medical treatments, drugs, etc. as there’s a lot of misinformation. I’m seeing a treatment here for a partial or complete tear yet a media report of “mild tendinitis”. It is his medical information, so maybe he hasn’t given permission beyond what was stated to disseminate anything else? Maybe the Sox want more people to buy season tickets with the hope he isn’t more hurt than he is? Who knows, but the treatment doesn’t fit the stated disease

 

I'm no expert, so tell me, does anyone with Sale's type of symptoms ever get better without surgery? Or, is everyone doomed like you make him out to be?

 

Not knowing the severity of his tendinitis, how can you possible know the odds?

 

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, and I'm assuming you know more about tendinitis than I do, but I'd like an explanation.

[moonslav59]

come on moon. your post is not true at all. lackey may have occasionally bit his own head off but he was NOTORIOUS for showing up his fielders. it was certainly why i always hated him and hated his signing.

 

Come on Slasher. You have the facts mixed up.

 

I, too, thought his antics after our LF'er made an error were way out of line, but upon the explanation and watching the replay again, I believed the story, and his teammates lined up to defend him afterwards. I believed them, too, but I suppose they could have all been lying.

 

Do you have even one statement from an ex-teammate that says he was a bad teammate?

 

He was a fierce competitor, and hated to lose. He lost it many times, when things went badly.

[Slasher9]

if i found a teammate that publicly called him out i would lose respect for that snitch too.

players code is a real thing.

i am just going by years of watching him pitch both for us and against us. there is not 1 particular instance i was referring to.

[kenmeister]

I'm no expert, so tell me, does anyone with Sale's type of symptoms ever get better without surgery? Or, is everyone doomed like you make him out to be?

 

Not knowing the severity of his tendinitis, how can you possible know the odds?

 

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, and I'm assuming you know more about tendinitis than I do, but I'd like an explanation.

 

Just reading up on it here: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/shoulder-tendonitis

[moonslav59]

if i found a teammate that publicly called him out i would lose respect for that snitch too.

players code is a real thing.

i am just going by years of watching him pitch both for us and against us. there is not 1 particular instance i was referring to.

 

Players don't often come out in numbers to defend someone they dislike.

[notin]

Reminds me of the fans and media jumped all over Lackey for being a poor teammate. It turned out his antics were directed at himself not the other players, they knew it and they loved him.

 

I agree. We don't know jack s*** about what goes on in the clubhouse and the hearts and souls of every or most players.

 

It also turns out more of the ire from fans directed at Lackey was possibly influenced by his poor performance the first 2 seasons. A player can get away with more in our eyes if he is actually producing. No one disliked Orlando Cabrera when he stepped in and helped salvage the 2004 season, but the man has a litany of stories around him centered around being an extremely selfish player and a terrible teammate...

[notin]

if i found a teammate that publicly called him out i would lose respect for that snitch too.

players code is a real thing.

i am just going by years of watching him pitch both for us and against us. there is not 1 particular instance i was referring to.

 

So you don't like Kershaw, who, along with teammate Scott Van Slyke, publicly aired gripes about Yasiel Puig?

 

What about Larry Bigbie, who voluntarily ended his own career by naming names in the Mitchell Report? What he did was actually probably good for baseball, and it was a total case of self-sacrifice. Is he a villain too?

[notin]

Players don't often come out in numbers to defend someone they dislike.

 

Tomase wrote an article about Lackey before the surgery and missed season about how loved he was by all his teammates. He was just an intense competitor on the field. There are scores pf pitchers like him. Brad "The Animal" Lesley was nothing but a blip in MLB history, but his reputation for being animated and shouting all over the field was so well known, it landed him a role in the movie "Little Big League" where he played a fictional version of himself...

[Slasher9]

So you don't like Kershaw, who, along with teammate Scott Van Slyke, publicly aired gripes about Yasiel Puig?

 

What about Larry Bigbie, who voluntarily ended his own career by naming names in the Mitchell Report? What he did was actually probably good for baseball, and it was a total case of self-sacrifice. Is he a villain too?

 

i wasnt talking about any of those people tho?

[notin]

i wasnt talking about any of those people tho?

 

No, but you made comments about snitches and player code being a real thing...

[harmony]

Tomase wrote an article about Lackey before the surgery and missed season about how loved he was by all his teammates. He was just an intense competitor on the field. There are scores pf pitchers like him. Brad "The Animal" Lesley was nothing but a blip in MLB history, but his reputation for being animated and shouting all over the field was so well known, it landed him a role in the movie "Little Big League" where he played a fictional version of himself...

Speaking of movies, last night on a cross-country flight my wife, who is not a baseball fan, had me watch "Fever Pitch" with her. Still worth a thumbs up.

[Slasher9]

No, but you made comments about snitches and player code being a real thing...

 

correct.

[notin]

correct.

 

Just wondering if you disliked Kershaw and Bigbie for violating that code.

 

Especially Bigbie. Definite code violation, but if you dislike steroids in the game, the guy gave up his career to do what he could to get rid of them....

[Slasher9]

no one likes a rat.

[Bellhorn04]

So you don't like Kershaw, who, along with teammate Scott Van Slyke, publicly aired gripes about Yasiel Puig?

 

Kershaw would get a clear pass on that one, because he seems like a regular guy, and Puig seems like an annoying diva. Thus the gripes would be assumed to be justified.

[Kimmi]

So the skankees are going after a big pitcher when they don’t even need pitching. They had one of their best pitchers suspended. Meanwhile we are thinking about trading one of our best players. I can see the skankees dominating the next 7 years to 10 years in the division.

 

The Yankees need starting pitching. Who are you kidding?

[Kimmi]

It would be worst of luck if Price, Sale and Eovaldi ALL remain hurt for remainder of their contract years.

 

At best, this is not a bad starting rotation, regardless of who #5 is.

 

I personally expect bounce back seasons from all 3 of them.

 

I know that I am more optimistic than most, but that is my expectation.

[Kimmi]

come on moon. your post is not true at all. lackey may have occasionally bit his own head off but he was NOTORIOUS for showing up his fielders. it was certainly why i always hated him and hated his signing.

 

I never really read his actions as showing up his fielders. His fielders never seemed to take issue with it.

[moonslav59]

I never really read his actions as showing up his fielders. His fielders never seemed to take issue with it.

 

When I saw that play, after the LF'er made an error that let a runner score, I thought, "Man, that's a lame reaction to have," but afterwards, it was explained that he was mad at himself for allowing the hitter to hit it hard. The players knew that, and that matters a hell of a lot more than my first impression.

 

Apparently, they players loved Lackey. Most fierce competitors are loved by most teammates, because the want to win so bad it shows (and rubs off).

 

When he left the Angels, they sung praises about him. He looked like he was liked in St. Louis afterwards, too.

 

[moonslav59]

Some Betts trade scenarios explored...

 

Mookie Betts rumors

WWW.MLB.COM

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With Mookie Betts entering the final year of his contract in 2020, the '18 American League Most Valuable Player Award winner will be the focus of plenty of trade talks this offseason. Below is a list of the latest news and rumors surrounding the 27-year-old outfielder.

 

Here are some (several have been reported before):

 

Betts to...(for)

 

LAD

C Keibert Ruiz (#33 MLB Pipeline)

P Josiah Gray (#75)

SS Jeter Downs (#87)

 

STL

C Andrew Knizner (STL #3)

3B Elehuris Montero (STL #4)

OF Randy Arozarena (STL #10)

 

ATL

OF Drew Waters (#23 MLB)

P Kyle Muller (ATL #7)

C William Contreras (ATL #8)

 

NYM

Noah Syndergaard

or

Steven Matz & Brandon Nimmo

or

Edwin Diaz & Dominic Smith

or

(with Eovaldi) Jeff McNeil

Edited November 14, 2019 by moonslav59

[Larry Cook]

Some Betts trade scenarios explored...

 

Mookie Betts rumors

WWW.MLB.COM

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With Mookie Betts entering the final year of his contract in 2020, the '18 American League Most Valuable Player Award winner will be the focus of plenty of trade talks this offseason. Below is a list of the latest news and rumors surrounding the 27-year-old outfielder.

 

Here are some (several have been reported before):

 

Betts to...(for)

 

LAD

C Keibert Ruiz (#33 MLB Pipeline)

P Josiah Gray (#75)

SS Jeter Downs (#87)

 

STL

C Andrew Knizner (STL #3)

3B Elehuris Montero (STL #4)

OF Randy Arozarena (STL #10)

 

ATL

OF Drew Waters (#23 MLB)

P Kyle Muller (ATL #7)

C William Contreras (ATL #8)

 

NYM

Noah Syndergaard

or

Steven Matz & Brandon Nimmo

or

Edwin Diaz & Dominic Smith

or

(with Eovaldi) Jeff McNeil

 

I would trade Betts straight up for syndergaard. But why would the Mets do that deal?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Noah has been banged up Abit .How about Kopech and Elroy Jimenez from Whitrsox ? How about JoC and there stud catcher from Dodgers ?

[jacksonianmarch]

Wow, you shoot high. Eloy and Kopech? Smith and Joc? I think Nimmo and Matz is far more likely and heck, I prognosticated that back in the summer with zero prompting from the media. It’s makes far more sense since Betts will render Nimmo obsolete and with the Mets having a 3 headed monster on the mound, Matz would be expendable. It isn’t the return you’d hope for, but it’s the most realistic return considering Betts single year of control and his high price tag.