A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[moonslav59]

Sox Free Agents...

 

After 2020:

Betts

JBJ

Workman

Leon

Maybe JD

 

After 2021:

ERod

Pedey

Barnes

Hembree

Vaz (2022 team option)

 

After 2022:

Price

JD (if no opt out after 2020)

Eovaldi

Beni

Osich

Marco

Vaz

 

After 2023:

Devers

Brasier

Johnson

Velazquez

Edited November 11, 2019 by moonslav59

[notin]

So what we have gathered so far is that no one is safe.

 

Which makes me wonder - who are the most likely players to return? It seems like Devers and Bogaerts should be safe, but are they?

[Nick]

Sox Free Agents...

 

After 2020:

Betts

JBJ

Workman

Leon

Maybe JD

 

After 2021:

ERod

Pedey

Barnes

Hembree

Vaz (2022 team option)

 

After 2022:

JD (if no opt out after 2020)

Eovaldi

Beni

Osich

Marco

Vaz

 

After 2023:

Devers

Brasier

Johnson

Velazquez

 

Missing Price after 2022

[Nick]

goal is to be competitive right at the luxury tax line....make a move at trade deadline if we have chance to win it all....make sure it's a short term deal.

 

Along with that, keep the farm in tact, don't trade away Dalbec unless it's for someone comparable playing a different position. Do not trade him for an older player.

[Bellhorn04]

I just wish the rules would allow him to retire, join the coaching staff to continue to get his money, and have it not count on the team any more. In the case of career ending injury I think that is very reasonable, just not within the rules. That or a stretch provision kind of like the NBA. Something. He was not too old for the contract he received, he just got unlucky. It would be different if he was 40...

 

I have some sympathy for that view, but we have to remember that it's only the rich teams like us that the luxury tax is an issue for.

[Bellhorn04]

Which makes me wonder - who are the most likely players to return? It seems like Devers and Bogaerts should be safe, but are they?

 

I think they're very safe. Just because we have luxury tax and roster issues doesn't mean we're about to unload everything that isn't nailed down.

[notin]

I think they're very safe. Just because we have luxury tax and roster issues doesn't mean we're about to unload everything that isn't nailed down.

 

 

It’s not about everything being unloaded. It’s a question of which ones.

 

I do suspect they are not so dissatisfied wit Price’s contract that they would unload Devers just to be rid of him. But Bogaerts is an easier trade by a long shot and would reduce the payroll towards the luxury tax by $20mill AAV...

[moonslav59]

Missing Price after 2022

 

Thanks. Fixed it.

[moonslav59]

It’s not about everything being unloaded. It’s a question of which ones.

 

I do suspect they are not so dissatisfied wit Price’s contract that they would unload Devers just to be rid of him. But Bogaerts is an easier trade by a long shot and would reduce the payroll towards the luxury tax by $20mill AAV...

 

I'd hope they think Bogey's deal is a good one and keep him, but he certainly would be easier to trade than Price, Sale or Eovaldi.

[notin]

I'd hope they think Bogey's deal is a good one and keep him, but he certainly would be easier to trade than Price, Sale or Eovaldi.

 

Moving the bad deals is the more popular solution, but sometimes it’s next to impossible.

 

If that’s the case, moving the good deals (like Bogaerts) might be the necessary option...

[moonslav59]

Moving the bad deals is the more popular solution, but sometimes it’s next to impossible.

 

If that’s the case, moving the good deals (like Bogaerts) might be the necessary option...

 

I understand, but I think we can reset without moving Bogey.

 

It would mean not paying arb prices for JBJ, Leon and Hembree.

 

We could try to trade Price or Eovalid just to save some of their remaining contracts, but it sucks paying players to play elsewhere.

 

I'd rather trade Betts, reset and try to re-sign him than trade Bogey, even though I value Betts more.

[Slasher9]

i dont think Xbo or Devers gets moved unless young stud cant miss pitching is coming back. the only mandate from JH right now is to reset LT for 2020. we can certainly do that and hold onto both players.

[Nick]

I understand, but I think we can reset without moving Bogey.

 

It would mean not paying arb prices for JBJ, Leon and Hembree.

 

We could try to trade Price or Eovalid just to save some of their remaining contracts, but it sucks paying players to play elsewhere.

 

I'd rather trade Betts, reset and try to re-sign him than trade Bogey, even though I value Betts more.

 

We're $13M over right now....getting rid of JBJ and Leon gets us $15M....

 

Can we plug in Hernandez at 2B, Chavis at 1B, obtain a cheap, cheap defensive CF, use internal options to plug Porcello, roll the dice with bullpen, and contend for a playoff spot?

 

Or in addition to JBJ and Leon, trade away Betts and get a starter and a reliever the better way to the playoff contention?

[moonslav59]

We're $13M over right now....getting rid of JBJ and Leon gets us $15M....

 

Can we plug in Hernandez at 2B, Chavis at 1B, obtain a cheap, cheap defensive CF, use internal options to plug Porcello, roll the dice with bullpen, and contend for a playoff spot?

 

Or in addition to JBJ and Leon, trade away Betts and get a starter and a reliever the better way to the playoff contention?

 

Hard to say.

 

I want Betts long term, but trading him and then re-signing him seems like the way to get the most.

 

We may end up bringing Leon back after non tendering him. I think Hembree is cut loose, too.

[Kimmi]

Some ballplayers are certainly superstitious, and some probably about position. But Devers might not be. Not sure if the Sox have ever asked him about changing positions before...

 

Devers strikes me as a player who just wants to play. I don't think he cares where he plays or where he bats, he just wants to play.

[harmony]

The Red Sox reportedly top the luxury tax payers:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/three-teams-exceeded-2019-luxury-tax-threshold.html

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox reportedly top the luxury tax payers:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/three-teams-exceeded-2019-luxury-tax-threshold.html

 

The Yanks reset and went back to spending pretty large.

[Bellhorn04]

A relatively encouraging report on Sale's health from his agent:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/11/11/chris-sale-has-something-prove/pml8qIJiBxqxFV3a7GprZN/story.html

 

No specific date for when he is seeing Dr. A again.

[moonslav59]

A relatively encouraging report on Sale's health from his agent:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/11/11/chris-sale-has-something-prove/pml8qIJiBxqxFV3a7GprZN/story.html

 

No specific date for when he is seeing Dr. A again.

 

I've always thought the doom & gloom projections by jacko & some Sox fans were a bit pessimistic, but it's nice to know Sale has a heart of a lion.

 

I'm hopeful his next visit with Andrews goes well, and he's given the green light to fully prepare for 2020.

[OH FOY]

Good grief, get over it. However much you wish he was "earning" it, multiply that times 1000 for Pedey's level of wish.

 

He got hurt on the field. It wasn't doing something stupid off in the off season. He did everything he could to get back whenever he was hurt. He never sat out with a hangnail the way some guys do. He left it out on the field every time he played and often played when he probably shouldn't have. Save the angst for the Buchholz's of the world.

 

Read much into People's Post, Mr. Judgement. I said I wish he was earning it, I meant it as I wish he was playing. That's it. I feel that was well said too.

Edited November 12, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Slasher9]

its not me. its them.

he got spiked in the knee and very possible his career was finished because of it.

but he still was able to drive the bus back and forth over his teammates.....

[moonslav59]

its not me. its them.

he got spiked in the knee and very possible his career was finished because of it.

but he still was able to drive the bus back and forth over his teammates.....

 

The knee is not that essential to driving a bus.

[Nick]

its not me. its them.

he got spiked in the knee and very possible his career was finished because of it.

but he still was able to drive the bus back and forth over his teammates.....

 

Yep, he deserved everything that's happened to him. He picked the wrong horse. Pedey, you're nothing to me.

Edited November 12, 2019 by Nick

[Slasher9]

i do wonder if his reaction at the time may have been a bit different had he known it was a career ender takeout slide.....

[moonslav59]

i do wonder if his reaction at the time may have been a bit different had he known it was a career ender takeout slide.....

 

I'm thinking he must view it differently, now, but he seems to be a strange bird.

 

Pedey went from being a "model teammate," a great "clubhouse guy" and a "hard-nosed hustling player" in the eyes of many Sox fans and baseball people to being despised by many.

[jacksonianmarch]

I've always thought the doom & gloom projections by jacko & some Sox fans were a bit pessimistic, but it's nice to know Sale has a heart of a lion.

 

I'm hopeful his next visit with Andrews goes well, and he's given the green light to fully prepare for 2020.

 

This is a puff piece with no substance.

 

“Tendinitis” entails a tear. Now, most tendinitis involves microtears (seen only as inflammation) that heal with rest. You don’t do PRP on run of the mill tendinitis. My bet is he had a partial tear a la Tanaka and it will be healed by the PRP. The problem with the partial tears healing with PRP is that the ligament doesn’t get reinforced and typically the procedure fails or the player returns with diminished velocity. I have said before that it’s better for the Sox if Sale just had gotten TJS. Yes, he’s miss 2020, but there’s a chance you’ll see fireballing Sale in 2021. Now with the shoulder sapping his power and an elbow repaired via PRP, I am fairly confident that Sale’s best stuff is well behind him. He’s going to need to get more dynamic because that 96+ mph fastball isn’t going to reliably be in his arsenal

[kenmeister]

This is a puff piece with no substance.

 

“Tendinitis” entails a tear. Now, most tendinitis involves microtears (seen only as inflammation) that heal with rest. You don’t do PRP on run of the mill tendinitis. My bet is he had a partial tear a la Tanaka and it will be healed by the PRP. The problem with the partial tears healing with PRP is that the ligament doesn’t get reinforced and typically the procedure fails or the player returns with diminished velocity. I have said before that it’s better for the Sox if Sale just had gotten TJS. Yes, he’s miss 2020, but there’s a chance you’ll see fireballing Sale in 2021. Now with the shoulder sapping his power and an elbow repaired via PRP, I am fairly confident that Sale’s best stuff is well behind him. He’s going to need to get more dynamic because that 96+ mph fastball isn’t going to reliably be in his arsenal

 

Exactly.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Maybe... but I've played with older guys who returned from PRPs and swore their elbows were stronger than ever before.

 

Of course, they weren't throwing in the 90s at the professional level for eight straight months at the time, either...

[Bellhorn04]

Yep, he deserved everything that's happened to him. He picked the wrong horse. Pedey, you're nothing to me.

 

Come on man.

 

Who did the 'It's not me, it's them' thing hurt? It hurt Pedroia, and that's it.

 

Did it hurt Matt Barnes or John Farrell? No, of course it didn't.

 

It was a victimless crime, other than Pedroia himself.

[notin]

Come on man.

 

Who did the 'It's not me, it's them' thing hurt? It hurt Pedroia, and that's it.

 

Did it hurt Matt Barnes or John Farrell? No, of course it didn't.

 

It was a victimless crime, other than Pedroia himself.

 

Not to mention, one with a story we don't all really know here. Really, Barnes retaliatory attempt at an HBP was a bigger deal...