Sale, Price, Porcello

[bosoxmal]

Does ANYONE have any idea of what can be done with our BIG THREE? or do we just kiss this season good-bys!

[vegasbob]

Does ANYONE have any idea of what can be done with our BIG THREE? or do we just kiss this season good-bys!

 

Kiss this year goodbye, Mal, then start crying about mid February next year whne 2 of these 3 show up feeling "strong and good". Big problems already for 2020.

[YastrzemskI]

Does ANYONE have any idea of what can be done with our BIG THREE? or do we just kiss this season good-bys!

 

I don’t think that this years SOX have the pitching to contend. The starters and relievers both. Way too many runs allowed. All of us keep watching and waiting for a turn around but the moment you think it is happening.. they crap the bed again. At some point we have to accept the fact they really just are the team that we are watching in 2019. There is no magical improvement happening via osmosis.

Edited August 1, 2019 by YastrzemskI

[bosoxmal]

I don’t think that this years SOX have the pitching to contend. The starters and relievers both. Way too many runs allowed. All of us keep watching and waiting for. Turn around but the moment you think it is happening.. they crap the bed again. At some point we have to accept the fact they really just are the team that we are watching in 2019. There is no magical improvement happening via osmosis.

They might try the 3-4 pitchers/game. But having 3 starting pitchers who can't get past the 5th inning is quite an obstacle. It is a little remindful of some the '50s and 60s pitching staffs.

[Maxbialystock]

The inconsistent rotation is old news that began with the season-opening road trip. ERod alone has gotten better. Sale and Price and even Porcello have had good games, but none of them can be counted on.

 

Jung nailed it when he said none of these guys has good command. That applies to the bullpen too.

[TylerD]

Heart breaking to watch. Did anyone see Porcello tonight? He literally looked defeaTed. Put his head down and just looked crushed. Ugh. Sad.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Porcello will be gone next year. The Red Sox need Sale to pitch better next year. The other big question concerns who replaces Porcello in the starting rotation in 2020?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Heart breaking to watch. Did anyone see Porcello tonight? He literally looked defeaTed. Put his head down and just looked crushed. Ugh. Sad.

 

Porcello has already made a fortune and so I don't feel bad for him, but he is definitely costing himself millions in the free agent market. How much money can he get if he finishes the season with an ERA close to 6.00?

[Station 13]

Porcello will be gone next year. The Red Sox need Sale to pitch better next year. The other big question concerns who replaces Porcello in the starting rotation in 2020?

 

Cashner seems like Porcello replacement.

[harmony]

The $67.25 million in combined 2019 salaries for David Price, Rick Porcello and Chris Sale exceeds Tampa Bay's Opening Day payroll of $60.1 million.

 

Sale's salary jumps from $15 million this year to $30 million next year.

[vegasbob]

The $67.25 million in combined 2019 salaries for David Price, Rick Porcello and Chris Sale exceeds Tampa Bay's Opening Day payroll of $60.1 million.

 

Sale's salary jumps from $15 million this year to $30 million next year.

 

That's exciting to think about. How many more years do we eat that crap ???

[TylerD]

Porcello has already made a fortune and so I don't feel bad for him, but he is definitely costing himself millions in the free agent market. How much money can he get if he finishes the season with an ERA close to 6.00?

 

Good point

[bosoxmal]

The owners will have to take one huge dollar hit at some point. Might as well do it now. It's not like these giys have been in a little slump. It's pretty much a matter of their having been arounf too long/ Big mistakes were made, so Henry either walks away, or bites the bullet.

[jad]

They might try the 3-4 pitchers/game. But having 3 starting pitchers who can't get past the 5th inning is quite an obstacle. It is a little remindful of some the '50s and 60s pitching staffs.

 

Ha! Can't remember that clearly enough, because it wasn't memorable. Didn't they just throw Jerry Casales (RIP!) out there for 6 or so innings, then let Ike Delock come in to mop up? Maybe adding Mike Forneles to pitch in his 80th or 90th game or so?

[kenmeister]

That's exciting to think about. How many more years do we eat that crap ???

 

Hard to believe Sale & Price are the new Hanley & Pablo. I really hope they improve next year. Porcello will most likely be gone, so they will probably get a new starter. What is the free agent market looking like this offseason for starters & relievers?

[Bellhorn04]

The $67.25 million in combined 2019 salaries for David Price, Rick Porcello and Chris Sale exceeds Tampa Bay's Opening Day payroll of $60.1 million.

 

Sale's salary jumps from $15 million this year to $30 million next year.

 

Thanks for the cute trivia, harm.

 

Pro level trolling, as Slash would say.

[TylerD]

Hard to believe Sale & Price are the new Hanley & Pablo. I really hope they improve next year. Porcello will most likely be gone, so they will probably get a new starter. What is the free agent market looking like this offseason for starters & relievers?

 

Price started the year off very well. In fact when the rotation sucked he was the one I trusted. But he just can’t give us an entire year of consistent injury free baseball. It is what it is. Now he is only going 5 innings and he isn’t even playing good through those 5 innings. Sale I still think will work his ass off in the off season to get back to somewhat his old self.

[Noles_1335]

I said it before and I'll say it again.... It's time to take a look at LeVangie. Could there be a reason in his direction that our pitchers have been in such a downward spiral?

[Bellhorn04]

I said it before and I'll say it again.... It's time to take a look at LeVangie. Could there be a reason in his direction that our pitchers have been in such a downward spiral?

 

It is starting to look like a realistic possibility that they will make a change there for next year.

[jung]

The three of them do not have the command that you would expect of top shelf starting pitchers. I think Porcello is in real trouble as far as ever being what he was or even close what he was in his Cy Young season and for about half a year after that. He is not a power pitcher, never was a power pitcher, suddenly made himself a power pitcher and that lasted about a year and a half. It appears to me he simply wore himself out and no longer has any sort of 4 seam FB at all. Has to reinvent himself without a FB virtually ever start which is painful to watch him go through. Gotta' admire his guts though.

 

Sale has lost the ability to hit 97 naturally and is overthrowing the baseball. It is throwing off not only his FB but his Slider as well. He has to come to terms with that as he is in transition.

 

I thought Price was about two years farther downstream in transition than Sale was until he pulled that last start and the approach he used in it out of his *******. He tried to throw harder, his FB flattened out and that was that.

 

For both Price and Sale the lack of command is also costing them their ability to challenge hitters. That said it is not nearly as bad for them as it is from the general run of the mill starter mucking about MLB these days. Hitters are either allowed to simply reach entirely across the plate and hit balls a half a foot off the outer edge (see Sam Travis newfound success at the plate as he has stumbled onto the fact that pitchers can no longer pitch inside without hitting batters). Our own Rafi dives across the batter's box as does X. JD does not and Mookie does not. But much of what hitters are accomplishing these days is a consequence of the rocket ship baseball and pitchers lack of command which allows hitters to control the entire plate....unheard of before the last 5-10 years.

 

So IMO Sale and Price are in transition and may or may not pull it off. I have no idea what Rick Porcello does. He is really a gutsy pitcher and it pains me to think he is really and truly on the back nine if not headed for the 19th hole.

[Nick]

Chris Sale $12M, $12.5M, $15M. No way I compare him to Sandoval. We need to wait and see if he's able to reinvent himself next year when he's costing us $25M. We've certainly gotten more out of him than say fan favorite Dustin Pedroia over the last three seasons.

[Nick]

I'm grateful that we didn't extend Rick Porcello.

 

I'm also grateful that we kept all of our prospects.

 

Last year we added pieces to win the World Series.

 

We could have signed Greinke this year and THAT would not have assured us getting into the wildcard spot.

 

We did the right thing by sitting tight. We've already improved our pen by activating Eovaldi and calling up Hernandez.

 

Maybe it's time to sit Porcello and try Johnson/Wright when they get healthy.

[moonslav59]

In hindsight, signing Morton instead of Eovaldi would have probably put us in the top WC slot. Hard to chose him last winter.

 

Just about every other reasonable signing, except Ottavino look like busts.

 

We need to stop looking at free agents as the only way to solve out issues, and as we start having more and more holes to fill and less and less budget space, we will be in a "can't make any mistake signings" situation.

 

Our rotation will have to straighten itself out. I still have some hope, but it is diminishing with every Sale, Price & Porcello start.

 

[OH FOY]

Hope is all we got, the A's lost so that helped.

[TylerD]

If anyone didn't catch it last night, Porcello smashed 2 tv sets with his hands on his way out. Can't say the guy isn't passionate. Really hope he breaks out of this slump sooner rather than later.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/08/boston-red-soxs-rick-porcello-apologizes-for-breaking-tv-monitors-its-not-the-behavior-that-i-condone.html

[Maxbialystock]

The $67.25 million in combined 2019 salaries for David Price, Rick Porcello and Chris Sale exceeds Tampa Bay's Opening Day payroll of $60.1 million.

 

Sale's salary jumps from $15 million this year to $30 million next year.

 

If you throw in Eovaldi and ERod, the total is $88M. The frustrating reality is that the Sox best starter this year, ERod, is also the lowest paid by far.

[OH FOY]

Getting swept tonight at Home will not look good. This is a big game. Sox will be 3.5 behind the last Wild card going into NY, if we lose tonight. Edited August 1, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Maxbialystock]

Sale, Price, Porcello, Eovaldi, and ERod are getting paid $88M this year. Our best starter, ERod, is also the lowest paid.

[kenmeister]

Our rotation will have to straighten itself out. I still have some hope, but it is diminishing with every Sale, Price & Porcello start.

 

 

I hear you. Extending Sale may turn out to have been a horrendous mistake. Especially if it means we can't keep Mookie.

[Slasher9]

Rebellions are built on hope....