2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[moonslav59]

and so were the posters who questioned the $23 mil given in 2019 to Eovaldi and Pearce while letting the pen rot. The budget is not unlimited. Hence, you should have some form of a pen so you can close out the winnable games that your highly expensive team is going to present to your pen

 

Any FA signing is a gamble that is more likely to fail than succeed.

 

As it turned out, we needed a back-up 1Bman due to Moreland's continued fragility.

 

As it turned out, we needed a SP'er as the only mid season move we made was for a starter.

 

DD picked the right positions to sign, although had he known Chavis would do this well, he may not have needed a 1Bman, he just signed the wrong guys.

 

Had he signed Morton and Matt Adams, we'd be ahead of CLE, TBR and Oak, and the pen problems would not seem so drastic.

[Bellhorn04]

I paid a mechanic plenty , but he did a lousy job with my car. I am going to keep bringing it back to him until he fixes it up to what I thought his capabilities were . My car still doesn't run right , but I am not going to pay another mechanic . Why should I ? I have spent plenty on the car already . Guess I'll walk .

 

That analogy needed some more time in the shop too.

[notin]

That analogy needed some more time in the shop too.

 

Does it?

 

He said he’d walk. DD’s response to not spending more on the pen is Darwinzon Hernandez, who also walks a lot...

[dgalehouse]

That analogy needed some more time in the shop too.

 

So does the Sox pitching .

[moonslav59]

Maybe the guy continuously choosing lemons needs some time in the shop.

[Bellhorn04]

So does the Sox pitching .

 

What was your point with that, anyway?

[dgalehouse]

What was your point with that, anyway?

 

Simply that sometimes you have to make a change . Even if it means spending more money . In the case of the Sox , it would be easier to improve the bullpen than the rotation. It has been that way since opening day .

[Kimmi]

Completely agree except for "the rest of the team is good to go" because that is simply not true. The Sox team ERA is 20th in MLB, which more than overcomes the terrific hitting--the Sox lead MLB in runs scored by a margin of 19. I do not think a couple of relievers can fix that, but agree that's all DD should do because the Sox pitching as a whole is irredeemable. Right now Mr. Inconsistent, the very guy who has given us fits in the past, is our best and most consistent starter--ERod.

 

Let me correct my statement to what I meant to say. The rest of the team should be good to go. I agree that the way the rotation has been pitching for much of the season is not going to get it done. But the talent and the ability are there. If they pitch like they should be pitching, look out. If they continue to pitch inconsistently or poorly, then adding another starting pitcher or a shut down closer wouldn't help much anyway.

[illinoisredsox]

Wonder if any Teams were interested in Our Relievers, like DD said?

 

I'm guessing that there may have been brief inquiries on a few guys that were quickly rejected.

 

Barnes may have drawn some interest as a 6-7-8th inning guy. Ditto Workman.

 

I'm sure teams asked about Hernandez.

 

The rest, no.

[jacksonianmarch]

Let me correct my statement to what I meant to say. The rest of the team should be good to go. I agree that the way the rotation has been pitching for much of the season is not going to get it done. But the talent and the ability are there. If they pitch like they should be pitching, look out. If they continue to pitch inconsistently or poorly, then adding another starting pitcher or a shut down closer wouldn't help much anyway.

 

I don’t think the talent is there to be totally honest. Price’s raw talent level has diminished, but he’s getting by with veteran guile and location. Sale’s raw talent has diminished. Porcello’s raw talent has diminished. The only guy who’s raw talent is on the upswing is ERod

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t think the talent is there to be totally honest. Price’s raw talent level has diminished, but he’s getting by with veteran guile and location. Sale’s raw talent has diminished. Porcello’s raw talent has diminished. The only guy who’s raw talent is on the upswing is ERod

 

And you can say the same about the Yankees rotation:

 

CC, Tanaka, Happ, Paxton - all diminished, based on the numbers

German - only one on upswing

 

Perhaps the rocket ball shouldn't be overlooked as a factor in all this...

[dgalehouse]

And you can say the same about the Yankees rotation:

 

CC, Tanaka, Happ, Paxton - all diminished, based on the numbers

German - only one on upswing

 

Perhaps the rocket ball shouldn't be overlooked as a factor in all this...

The Yankee's rotation is an absolute mess . Cashman doing nothing about it is mind boggling .

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankee's rotation is an absolute mess . Cashman doing nothing about it is mind boggling .

 

Paxton's stuff is still there. Tanaka is definitely diminished from what he was when he came in, but he's mostly the same as last year. Happ and CC, absolutely agree

[Slasher9]

The Yankee's rotation is an absolute mess . Cashman doing nothing about it is mind boggling .

 

it's borderline criminal that cashman did not pickup a #1 type SP for this years playoff/WS push. criminal. if i were a yankees fan i would be up in arms.....but since i am not i can just sit back and giggle at the ineptitude....

[Bellhorn04]

it's borderline criminal that cashman did not pickup a #1 type SP for this years playoff/WS push. criminal. if i were a yankees fan i would be up in arms.....but since i am not i can just sit back and giggle at the ineptitude....

 

If the Yankees win it this year it'll be Cashman's greatest triumph. If they don't, and the starting pitching is at fault, look out Brian.

[Carpin]

it's borderline criminal that cashman did not pickup a #1 type SP for this years playoff/WS push. criminal. if i were a yankees fan i would be up in arms.....but since i am not i can just sit back and giggle at the ineptitude....

 

The asking prices were humongous, Detroit and the Mets asked for Gleyber in return for Boyd and Thor. Not sure what the Jays asked for Stroman but yesterday the Mets were asking for Garcia and Florial + some others; the Dbacks were asking for Frazier + 3 others for R. Ray, none of them was worth the asking price (IMO).

 

There was no 2016 Sale on this year market, certainly good SP but not worth to ship out your best prospects for them

[Swiharts Ghost]

Paxton's stuff is still there. Tanakka is definitely diminished from what he was when he came in, but he's mostly the same as last year. Happ and CC, absolutely agree

 

Man stop diluting yourself .The Yankees rotation is in shambles .

[dgalehouse]

Everyone likes to hold on to their young prospects. Most of whom will never amount to a hill of beans .

[Fan_since_Boggs]

it's borderline criminal that cashman did not pickup a #1 type SP for this years playoff/WS push. criminal. if i were a yankees fan i would be up in arms.....but since i am not i can just sit back and giggle at the ineptitude....

 

The Yankee's rotation is an absolute mess . Cashman doing nothing about it is mind boggling .

 

This was sentiment of many Yankees fans today on New York sports radio. A few called for Cashman's firing.

 

After this debacle, the Steinbreener need to think long and hard about whether Cashman is the right man for the job.

 

If Joe Giardi can get fired after losing a game 7 in the ALCS, why can't Cashman get fired for failing to deliver?

[jacksonianmarch]

They weren’t asking for prospects only. They were asking for Torres, a two time all star

[Bellhorn04]

The asking prices were humongous, Detroit and the Mets asked for Gleyber in return for Boyd and Thor. Not sure what the Jays asked for Stroman but yesterday the Mets were asking for Garcia and Florial + some others; the Dbacks were asking for Frazier + 3 others for R. Ray, none of them was worth the asking price (IMO).

 

There was no 2016 Sale on this year market, certainly good SP but not worth to ship out your best prospects for them

 

They could have had Corbin and Keuchel, though. The only cost with those two was money.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Everyone likes to hold on to their young prospects. Most of whom will never amount to a hill of beans .

 

And the Yankees could have acquired Stroman if they were willing to part with Garcia. I can understand keeping Torres, but so much can go wrong with young pitchers like Garcia, it was worth the risk to put the Yankees in a position to win a championship.

 

The Yankees simply cannot win a championship with their current starting staff. It amazes me that Cashman couldn't get that figured out.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

They could have had Corbin and Keuchel, though. The only cost with those two was money.

 

Good point. And an internet guy named Fan_since_boggs was saying over and over again that the Yankees needed to sign Corbin and called them out on it when they failed to sign Corbin. Jackson responded to my posts by calling me a troll. True story.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

They weren’t asking for prospects only. They were asking for Torres, a two time all star

 

The Blue Jays asked for Torres at one stage, but they couldn't be serious with that asking price. If the Blue Jays accepted Kay and Woods-Richardson for Stroman, there is no way the Blue Jays turn down Garcia and Gil for Stroman or maybe they accept Garcia and a pitching prospect not quite as good as Gil.

 

According to reports, Cashman would not include Garcia in a trade for Stroman. In fact, Cashman wouldn't include Garcia in any trade except one that brought back N.Syndegaard.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

I don’t have a problem holding Garcia for Stroman. I posted before. Stroman is shorter than Garcia and isn’t an ace. His xFIP is essentially the same the past two seasons yet his ERA is 3 runs lower this year. He’s a contact oriented pitcher who isn’t an ace. If you deal a top 25 prospect, you better get a top notch player. Stroman is good, but he isn’t an ace. Clearly, the rest of the league didn’t think so either which is why he went to the Mets for a middling return

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Another executive took issue with the Yankees' approach. Although he praised Cashman for his efforts to strengthen and deepen the farm system, he thought it should've been a secondary agenda to what matters most—winning championships.

 

"Sometimes you have to go off course by a couple of degrees to get it done," the executive said.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847979-yankees-brian-cashman-deadline-flop-likely-blows-chance-at-a-2019-title

 

The GM now has to answer to the ticket-buyers—not to mention the players in his own clubhouse—the most searing question of all: Did he do everything possible to make the Yankees better for the stretch run?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847979-yankees-brian-cashman-deadline-flop-likely-blows-chance-at-a-2019-title

 

Interesting question: "Did [Cashman] do everything possible to make the Yankees better for the stretch run?" I think the obvious answer is, no.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Don't get me wrong, I like Garcia but he isn't the perfect pitching prospect, not even close. He is small in stature, too many walks in AA and AAA. He just turned 20 and has a long way to go in terms of development. In an ideal world, you don't trade Garcia for a season and a half of Stroman. I understand that. But the point that some are making is that you sometimes "go off course by a couple of degrees" to get that SP that can help you win a championship. At some point, you have to stop thinking about the future, or a player's future WAR, and make a trade for the present opportunity to win a championship.

 

This is what the Cubs did when they traded Torres for Chapman. In some ways, this is what Dombrowski did when he traded all of those prospects for Kimbrell and Sale. On the face of it, the Cubs deal (Torres for Chapman) was more one-sided and absurd than Garcia for Stroman. That is, Torres was a better prospect than Garcia and Chapman was a rental. Theo Epstein still made that deal--he had the guts to make it even though he knew he was trading a potential superstar for a rental.

 

Unlike Chapman, Stroman is under control for next season and thus he would contribute to two October runs for the Yankees. Championships matter most and Stroman gets the Yankees closer to winning one.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[jacksonianmarch]

He just turned 20, he’s in AAA and in 90IP between A+, AA, and AAA, he’s struck out 138 with 42 walks while allowing only 80 hits. He’s four years younger than most prospects in his league and 6 years younger than the AAA average. He’s short, but he can run it up to 95 and has a curve and change that grade out as plus pitches now with the curve having plus plus potential. He’s an animal. You don’t deal that for anyone but an ace. That’s because he’s got now production and now proximity. I probably would have thrown Gil out for Stroman. Not because I believe any less in Gil, but because Gil just got promoted to High A and is further down the line

[notin]

They weren’t asking for prospects only. They were asking for Torres, a two time all star

 

Reportedly Toronto wanted Deivi Garcia and Estevan Florial for Stroman. Did the Yankees think Stroman should cost less?

[jacksonianmarch]

Apparently they did because they gave him away for practically nothing