When does DD push the panic button..??

[Slasher9]

1 thing is for certain. if...and that is a pretty big if....John Henry releases the $$$$ reigns....kiss the following buh bye:

Casas

Dalbec

Jarren

Chatham

Mata.....

[harmony]

EE's $20M contract will keep 25 teams from even calling the M's.

 

There is going to be a ton of good players on the trading block this summer.

 

I may certainly be undervaluing his stock, but I'm pretty sure you are overvaluing it.

 

Look at what Jay Bruce got in return.

 

I suspect money is not an issue for Seattle (as evidenced by the Jay Bruce trade). The Mariners likely will be willing to pay down Edwin Encarnacion's contract to get a better return.

 

If the Mariners pay just $10 million of the balance, many teams should be interested in the veteran who already this year has posted 1.7 fWAR, valued at $13.4 million. Bruce had posted only 0.6 fWAR, valued at $4.9 million, at the time of his trade and has a contract guaranteed through 2020.

 

In light of the money that exchanged hands, the return in the Bruce trade was disappointing so perhaps I overvalue some assets. However, the package of Steve Pearce, Darwinzon Hernandez and Jarren Duran -- with money going from Seattle to Boston -- is cringe-worthy.

[notin]

1 thing is for certain. if...and that is a pretty big if....John Henry releases the $$$$ reigns....kiss the following buh bye:

Casas

Dalbec

Jarren

Chatham

Mata.....

 

Casas is the only one I’d mark as off limits, followed by a “maybe” on Mata...

[harmony]

Dodgers? Rockies? Rangers?

 

Or what about other AL teams needing an upgrade at DH?

 

And then there are injuries that might create new voids...

Perhaps Texas as the Rangers seeks to extend their lead over Wild Card pursuers.

[Slasher9]

Casas is the only one I’d mark as off limits, followed by a “maybe” on Mata...

 

unfortunately for us DD is the "GM". we know what he does......

[moonslav59]

I suspect money is not an issue for Seattle (as evidenced by the Jay Bruce trade). The Mariners likely will be willing to pay down Edwin Encarnacion's contract to get a better return.

 

If the Mariners pay just $10 million of the balance, many teams should be interested in the veteran who already this year has posted 1.7 fWAR, valued at $13.4 million. Bruce had posted only 0.6 fWAR, valued at $4.9 million, at the time of his trade and has a contract guaranteed through 2020.

 

In light of the money that exchanged hands, the return in the Bruce trade was disappointing so perhaps I overvalue some assets. However, the package of Steve Pearce, Darwinzon Hernandez and Jarren Duran -- with money going from Seattle to Boston -- is cringe-worthy.

 

Well, I added Beni and Santana and took away Strickland from your offer.

[notin]

unfortunately for us DD is the "GM". we know what he does......

 

 

I’ll run against him when his term expires...

[moonslav59]

I can see the 3 D's traded this summer: Dalbec, DHern and Duran.

 

That could net us a solid RP'er and maybe a 5th starter, afterall, look what we gave up for Eovaldi and A Reed.

[harmony]

Sounds more like a wet dream for you. Terrible trade for the Sox.

The emoji suggested the half-serious tone of the trade proposal.

[harmony]

True, but EE is having a monster year.

 

I agree, I don't think Seattle will get much more than my offer for EE, this summer.

 

Only the Asros, among top contenders, really need a 1Bman.

When Seattle traded for Edwin Encarnacion on December 13, the immediate speculation was that the Mariners would flip Encarnacion to either the Houston Astros or Tampa Bay Rays. No one expected Encarnacion to report to Spring Training with the Mariners.

 

Fortunately for the Mariners, Encarnacion has enhanced his trade value with a strong performance.

Edited June 11, 2019 by harmony

[harmony]

Well, I added Beni and Santana and took away Strickland from your offer.

Make it simple: Andrew Benintendi for Edwin Encarnacion, Domingo Santana and $5 million.

 

Left field at Fenway might be the ideal place to hide Santana's defensive deficiencies (with help from Gold Glovers Jackie Bradley Jr. and Mookie Betts).

 

The Mariners extend their prospective window with Benintendi's added year of team control.

[mvp 78]

Make it simple: Andrew Benintendi for Edwin Encarnacion, Domingo Santana and $5 million.

 

Left field at Fenway might be the ideal place to hide Santana's defensive deficiencies (with help from Gold Glovers Jackie Bradley Jr. and Mookie Betts).

 

The Mariners extend their prospective window with Benintendi's added year of team control.

 

28-41. That's not a window, unless it's a basement window covered in spider webs.

[Bellhorn04]

The Red Sox sure don't need another DH. The only obvious need is in the bullpen.

[harmony]

The Red Sox sure don't need another DH. The only obvious need is in the bullpen.

Edwin Encarnacion has a UZR/150 of a negative 2.5 in 376.1 innings at first base this year with a negative 1 Defensive Runs Saved.

 

As a point of reference, Gold Glover Mitch Moreland has a UZR/150 of a negative 4.0 in 322 innings at first base this year with 0 Defensive Runs Saved.

[harmony]

28-41. That's not a window, unless it's a basement window covered in spider webs.

See ya in 2021.

[Bellhorn04]

Edwin Encarnacion has a UZR/150 of a negative 2.5 in 376.1 innings at first base this year with a negative 1 Defensive Runs Saved.

 

As a point of reference, Gold Glover Mitch Moreland has a UZR/150 of a negative 4.0 in 322 innings at first base this year with 0 Defensive Runs Saved.

 

That's all very interesting. But you know as well as I that EE is not on the Red Sox radar.

[harmony]

That's all very interesting. But you know as well as I that EE is not on the Red Sox radar.

Swiharts Ghost brought Edwin Encarnacion into this conversation three pages ago on this forum.

 

The dialogue has at least been entertaining.

[oldtimer]

I can see the 3 D's traded this summer: Dalbec, DHern and Duran.

 

That could net us a solid RP'er and maybe a 5th starter, afterall, look what we gave up for Eovaldi and A Reed.

 

The team is floundering right now and it is unlikely any single acquisition will make enough difference. I am against trading away solid prospects for one more player and spending more to get one more mid line RP. Better to take our lumps this year than to weaken our future.

 

If the Sox can't do it this year with the resources they have and can get with the money still availble by staying under the second tier of the Competitive Balance Tax, then accept it and think of moving forward.

 

The only field players I would definitely keep for next year are Betts, Bogey, Devers and Vaz. I would like to keep Beni unless a better offer comes forward and also Hernandez for 2nd base.. JBJ, Chavis, Nunez, Pearce, Moreland, JDM and Leon are all possibly gone, some through their own volition and others because its time to move on. I would keep Holt for utility work and would like to see what Duran, Dalbec and other youngsters can bring to the table. If we are out of it come August then I would get youngsters on the roster and get a look at them as possible replacements next season.

[mvp 78]

See ya in 2021.

 

I'm sure the Sox will still have a much better record than the M's at that point.

[notin]

That's all very interesting. But you know as well as I that EE is not on the Red Sox radar.

 

 

Did we know Kinsler and Eovaldi were last year?

[mvp 78]

Sox have been to 6 ALCS and won 4 WS since the last time the Mariners even won their division. There is no window for that team.

[notin]

 

The only field players I would definitely keep for next year are Betts, Bogey, Devers and Vaz. I would like to keep Beni unless a better offer comes forward and also Hernandez for 2nd base.. JBJ, Chavis, Nunez, Pearce, Moreland, JDM and Leon are all possibly gone, some through their own volition and others because its time to move on. I would keep Holt for utility work and would like to see what Duran, Dalbec and other youngsters can bring to the table. If we are out of it come August then I would get youngsters on the roster and get a look at them as possible replacements next season.

 

 

While I doubt JDM opts out, or does opt out and isn’t re-signed by Boston, I do agree there is at least a possibility he is gone next season. But why do you think Chavis and Bradley will be?

 

And if the Sox call up Dalbec, Duran, whoever in August, who goes (and how) to make room?

[harmony]

I'm sure the Sox will still have a much better record than the M's at that point.

In 2021, the likely Mookie Betts-less Red Sox will be relying on the fragile health of David Price, J.D. Martinez, Chris Sale, Nathan Eovaldi and Dustin Pedroia, who all remain under guaranteed contracts with sizable salaries (unless Martinez opts out). The current Red Sox farm system is ranked at the bottom.

 

The window of the 34-33 Red Sox may be closing.

 

Or not.

Edited June 11, 2019 by harmony

[notin]

In 2021, the likely Mookie Betts-less Red Sox will be relying on the fragile health of David Price, J.D. Martinez, Chris Sale, Nathan Eovaldi and Dustin Pedroia, who all remain under guaranteed contracts with sizable salaries (unless Martinez opts out). The current Red Sox farm system is ranked at the bottom.

 

The window of the 34-33 Red Sox may be closing.

 

Or not.

 

 

Are you relying on Steamer or the Magic 8 Ball to determine the health of several players and where Betts will be signing?

 

Bogaerts is a Boras client and the Sox extended him. Betts might follow suit...

[mvp 78]

Are you relying on Steamer or the Magic 8 Ball to determine the health of several players and where Betts will be signing?

 

Bogaerts is a Boras client and the Sox extended him. Betts might follow suit...

 

You see, once Betts leaves all other FA's will refuse to play here. The window closes! There is no other way to get a competitive team unless the system is stocked!

[moonslav59]

Make it simple: Andrew Benintendi for Edwin Encarnacion, Domingo Santana and $5 million.

 

Left field at Fenway might be the ideal place to hide Santana's defensive deficiencies (with help from Gold Glovers Jackie Bradley Jr. and Mookie Betts).

 

The Mariners extend their prospective window with Benintendi's added year of team control.

 

I'd do it, despite Santana's high K rate.

 

We could then trade Moreland and/or Pearce (with cash) to lessen our budget enough to get a RP'er.

[moonslav59]

In 2021, the likely Mookie Betts-less Red Sox will be relying on the fragile health of David Price, J.D. Martinez, Chris Sale, Nathan Eovaldi and Dustin Pedroia, who all remain under guaranteed contracts with sizable salaries (unless Martinez opts out). The current Red Sox farm system is ranked at the bottom.

 

The window of the 34-33 Red Sox may be closing.

 

Or not.

 

Are you forgetting the very healthy Bogey, Devers, Beni, Barnes, Hembree and mostly healthy Vaz?

[notin]

I'd do it, despite Santana's high K rate.

 

We could then trade Moreland and/or Pearce (with cash) to lessen our budget enough to get a RP'er.

 

 

Less than one year ago, Benintendi ranked #14 on Fangraphs trade value list, ten spots ahead of JT Realmuto. So if JT was worth the #24 prospect per BA, along with 6 years of Jorge Alfaro plus another, is 1.5 years of a very expensive Encarnacion and Domingo Santana (who was acquired for dirt) really the best the Sox can do here?

[harmony]

You see, once Betts leaves all other FA's will refuse to play here. The window closes! There is no other way to get a competitive team unless the system is stocked!

According to Cot's Baseball Contracts, the $136.75 million* the Red Sox already have committed for 2021 does not include arbitration salaires for Andrew Benintendi, Rafael Devers, Eduardo Rodriguez, Matt Barnes, Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree. Luxury tax concerns should not disappear.

 

 

The Red Sox can only hope that the big contracts for aging veterans don't turn into dead money.

* as points of reference, the New York Yankees have $94.7 million committed for 2021 and the Los Angeles Dodgers $89.5 million

[moonslav59]

Less than one year ago, Benintendi ranked #14 on Fangraphs trade value list, ten spots ahead of JT Realmuto. So if JT was worth the #24 prospect per BA, along with 6 years of Jorge Alfaro plus another, is 1.5 years of a very expensive Encarnacion and Domingo Santana (who was acquired for dirt) really the best the Sox can do here?

 

Encarnacion will be owed $7M at the deadline, and harmony's offer included $5M.

 

Santana K's a lot, but his numbers are better than Beni's. The one less year of team control is the one thing I see making this a bad deal.

 

One more "bad part," We likely cannot afford EE's $20M 2020 option.He has a $5M buyout. We might have to trade him this winter, if we are looking to reset the tax or keep Betts and stay under the max line.