Chavis

[moonslav59]

My thought is that if you want Chavis playing , which he needs to do, then keep him at second. This team still needs a regular 2Bman, and among the other three there is no clear path to success.

 

I agree, but if Pedey comes back and can play, he will.

[moonslav59]

Does Martinez opt out at the end of this season? Could chavis be a future dh? His glove is terrible and instincts non existent.

 

Devers has to get moved to first. His defense is causing him mental anguish which is retarding his development as a hitter! Plus the pitchers are having a hard time concealing their angst every time he bungles a play.

 

Chavis at DH- check

Devers at 1B- check

Who plays 3rd? Dalbec?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Chavis at DH- check

Devers at 1B- check

Who plays 3rd? Dalbec?

Going to Duck when I say this .umm Nuney ?

[moonslav59]

Going to Duck when I say this .umm Nuney ?

 

Nuney is gone after this year.

 

Holt (also a FA) or Dalbec has the best chances.

[notin]

Nuney is gone after this year.

 

Holt (also a FA) or Dalbec has the best chances.

 

I think mvp is probably right and Devers stays at 3b and Chavis takes first, leaving 2b the position to fill. Pedroia gets first shot, but a part time 2b might be a target. Internally, the options are limited. Holt (if he’s back), Lin and Chatham are options, I suppose. Or a cheaper FA like Dozier, Schoop, or (ugh) Kipnis. Or maybe DD breaks the bank for someone like Scooter Gennett, since he doesn’t seem to like going light in free agency.

[moonslav59]

I think mvp is probably right and Devers stays at 3b and Chavis takes first, leaving 2b the position to fill. Pedroia gets first shot, but a part time 2b might be a target. Internally, the options are limited. Holt (if he’s back), Lin and Chatham are options, I suppose. Or a cheaper FA like Dozier, Schoop, or (ugh) Kipnis. Or maybe DD breaks the bank for someone like Scooter Gennett, since he doesn’t seem to like going light in free agency.

 

We may see Chatham at 2B.

[oldtimer]

I think mvp is probably right and Devers stays at 3b and Chavis takes first, leaving 2b the position to fill. Pedroia gets first shot, but a part time 2b might be a target. Internally, the options are limited. Holt (if he’s back), Lin and Chatham are options, I suppose. Or a cheaper FA like Dozier, Schoop, or (ugh) Kipnis. Or maybe DD breaks the bank for someone like Scooter Gennett, since he doesn’t seem to like going light in free agency.

 

If Chavis moves to 1st base, whats the chance of keeping Moreland as a utility 1st baseman (insurance) and part time DH? No Nunez, Holt, Pearce. Possible replacement of JBJ, possible replacement of Leon. I do think we need a second baseman but we have at least temporary candidates from within. Both Lin and Chatham are capable of playing SS, to spell Bogaerts at times and play 2nd most of the time.

[notin]

If Chavis moves to 1st base, whats the chance of keeping Moreland as a utility 1st baseman (insurance) and part time DH? No Nunez, Holt, Pearce. Possible replacement of JBJ, possible replacement of Leon. I do think we need a second baseman but we have at least temporary candidates from within. Both Lin and Chatham are capable of playing SS, to spell Bogaerts at times and play 2nd most of the time.

 

 

If JDM is back, less need for Moreland. But it will all come down to how much money he prices himself at... a

[notin]

We may see Chatham at 2B.

 

 

He’s a candidate, but probably not first choice. The Sox could also sign some sort of dirt cheap Brock Holt/Logan Forsythe type and give him a shot first, knowing that if he fails, Chatham is still there as an option...

[moonslav59]

He’s a candidate, but probably not first choice. The Sox could also sign some sort of dirt cheap Brock Holt/Logan Forsythe type and give him a shot first, knowing that if he fails, Chatham is still there as an option...

 

Agreed, and I didn't mean to imply Dalbec is my first choice at 3B, I was just posing the question to the poster who suggested Devers play 1B and Chavis DH.

[moonslav59]

If Chavis moves to 1st base, whats the chance of keeping Moreland as a utility 1st baseman (insurance) and part time DH? No Nunez, Holt, Pearce. Possible replacement of JBJ, possible replacement of Leon. I do think we need a second baseman but we have at least temporary candidates from within. Both Lin and Chatham are capable of playing SS, to spell Bogaerts at times and play 2nd most of the time.

 

Depending on Holt's health, I think he has the best chance of returning out of Nunez, Holt, Moreland & Pearce.

 

We may try giving JD a first baseman's mitt for added depth, in case Chavis or Dalbec flame out..

[mvp 78]

We may see Chatham at 2B.

 

Or your boy Marco Hernandez.

[jung]

Have said it since I first saw Chavis at 2nd. He looks like a 1st baseman to me and I am opposed to seeing the Sox play Russian Roulette with him at 2nd. He is an error and worse an injury waiting to happen at 2nd.

 

That said, none of us really know how solid his bat is until the league catches up to him. We can already see where the holes are in that swing. Those holes are bigger when you are swinging out of your shoelaces every swing. But if the Sox who at this point know more about him than we do, like the kid, I would keep him away from 2nd base as much as I could. Getting tired of seeing Sox players injured playing out of position, especially the young ones. See Blake Swihart for a young guy. See Ramirez who was always just looking for a payday when he convinced Cherry's that he would play LF. Ramirez completely gave up that notion after bashing into the same LF foul area wall that took Swihart out.

 

So to me, Chavis at 2nd boils down to whether the Sox think he is cannon fodder or a real hitter with real potential. If the latter, play him at 1st if you are going to keep him up here with occasional stints at 2nd and DH and even 3rd if you need to get him AB's and Devers needs a blow. If the Sox absolutely want him at 2nd, then send him back down and let him learn a position that he clearly knows little about at this point. Even from Shortstop it took X, a Shortstop with experience and much more agility, a year and a half to stop goofy footing 2nd base and at Shortstop you are facing most of the plays coming at you. At 2nd you are facing away from most of the plays coming at you until they are right on top of you. Chavis does not appear to be covering much ground at 2nd either.

 

Devers is my 3rd baseman. As much as I point out his lapses and failings in game threads he has really cut down his mistakes at 3rd by type to a very specific category....call it stupid in the field if you want. He will cure that IMO or at least cure enough of it to join the ranks of professional MLB 3rd basemen.

 

As for Moreland/Pearce, paying $12M per for 1st base the way DD is paying it this year only made sense within the context of DD trying to make the most out of his rotation and young stars before the window closes. Enter Chavis again as a better long term option at 1st IMO.

Edited May 9, 2019 by jung

[moonslav59]

Or your boy Marco Hernandez.

 

I'm never going to get past this...

 

lol

[moonslav59]

Have said it since I first saw Chavis at 2nd. He looks like a 1st baseman to me and I am opposed to seeing the Sox play Russian Roulette with him at 2nd. He is an error and worse an injury waiting to happen at 2nd.

 

That said, none of us really know how solid his bat is until the league catches up to him. We can already see where the holes are in that swing. Those holes are bigger when you are swinging out of your shoelaces every swing. But if the Sox who at this point know more about him than we do, like the kid, I would keep him away from 2nd base as much as I could. Getting tired of seeing Sox players injured playing out of position, especially the young ones. See Blake Swihart for a young guy. See Ramirez who was always just looking for a payday when he convinced Cherry's that he would play LF. Ramirez completely gave up that notion after bashing into the same LF foul area wall that took Swihart out.

 

So to me, Chavis at 2nd boils down to whether the Sox think he is cannon fodder or a real hitter with real potential. If the latter, play him at 1st if you are going to keep him up here with occasional stints at 2nd and DH and even 3rd if you need to get him AB's and Devers needs a blow. If the Sox absolutely want him at 2nd, then send him back down and let him learn a position that he clearly knows little about at this point. Even from Shortstop it took X, a Shortstop with experience and much more agility, a year and a half to stop goofy footing 2nd base and at Shortstop you are facing most of the plays coming at you. At 2nd you are facing away from most of the plays coming at you until they are right on top of you. Chavis does not appear to be covering much ground at 2nd either.

 

Devers is my 3rd baseman. As much as I point out his lapses and failings in game threads he has really cut down his mistakes at 3rd by type to a very specific category....call it stupid in the field if you want. He will cure that IMO or at least cure enough of it to join the ranks of professional MLB 3rd basemen.

 

As for Moreland/Pearce, paying $12M per for 1st base the way DD is paying it this year only made sense within the context of DD trying to make the most out of his rotation and young stars before the window closes. Enter Chavis again as a better long term option at 1st IMO.

 

Well said. Maybe someday Devers moves to 1B, but that decision should be put off, at least until JD moves on from the DH slot.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm never going to get past this...

 

lol

 

Marco is OPS'ing 785 for Salem.

[mvp 78]

Marco is OPS'ing 785 for Salem.

 

He has a better shot of being a decent MLBer than Blake Swihart IMO.

[moonslav59]

Marco is OPS'ing 785 for Salem.

 

I refuse to even look.

[bosoxmal]

My Macro-D keeps me from following a thread as I once did. so, I assume there's been this said before:

 

Can't one of those coached ween him off that upper-cut?

[moonslav59]

For all you small sample sizers...

 

Since May 5th:

 

0-15 Chavis (3BB) .167 OBP

 

2-16 JBJ (4BB) .300 OBP

 

[S5Dewey]

My Macro-D keeps me from following a thread as I once did. so, I assume there's been this said before:

 

Can't one of those coached ween him off that upper-cut?

 

Unfortunately that upper-cut is the current Flavor of the Month. Hitters are trying to hit more HR's so they're using that upper-cut to gain the newest and greatest statistic, "launch angle".

 

I'm afraid that until something new comes along to distract the hitters that 'launch angle' and the uppercut swing is going to be around to stay.

 

IMHO Chavis's got enough pure power with a level swing to hit HR's. He doesn't need the uppercut but he'll probably continue with it regardless of what I think.

[notin]

He has a better shot of being a decent MLBer than Blake Swihart IMO.

 

But Marco only plays three positions...

[devildavid]

My Macro-D keeps me from following a thread as I once did. so, I assume there's been this said before:

 

Can't one of those coached ween him off that upper-cut?

 

I'm not sure if today's upper-cut is too extreme, but Ted Williams did recommend that a hitter should swing with a slight upper-cut. His friend Bobby Doerr disagreed.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not sure if today's upper-cut is too extreme, but Ted Williams did recommend that a hitter should swing with a slight upper-cut. His friend Bobby Doerr disagreed.

 

Today's upper-cut or launch angle is producing lots of homers and an incredible rate of whiffs. I'm pretty sure Ted wouldn't like the approach we're seeing now.

[devildavid]

Today's upper-cut or launch angle is producing lots of homers and an incredible rate of whiffs. I'm pretty sure Ted wouldn't like the approach we're seeing now.

 

Ted did not strike out much because he refused to swing at anything outside of his personal zone of pitches he could hit.

[sk7326]

Today's upper-cut or launch angle is producing lots of homers and an incredible rate of whiffs. I'm pretty sure Ted wouldn't like the approach we're seeing now.

 

Ted was no stranger to launch angle.

[Bellhorn04]

Ted was no stranger to launch angle.

 

Certainly not. I'm just talking about the whiff factor that goes with today's launch angle.

[sk7326]

Certainly not. I'm just talking about the whiff factor that goes with today's launch angle.

 

It is pretty striking - I mean only Barry Bonds was even in the same neighborhood (even 20th century Bonds) when it came to delivering so much power, batting eye and contact together.

[Bellhorn04]

It is pretty striking - I mean only Barry Bonds was even in the same neighborhood (even 20th century Bonds) when it came to delivering so much power, batting eye and contact together.

 

TW's numbers are truly mind-boggling.

[mvp 78]

But Marco only plays three positions...

 

He can’t be any worse at LF or C than Blake.