Chavis

[harmony]

Counselor, I’d like a ruling on the “objectivity” of comparing 20yo Jason Groome to 27yo DJ Peterson...

Their ages would not have been mentioned if the ages were not relevant.

 

To omit the ages might demonstrate a lack of objectivity.

 

A lack of objectivity could be shown by asking to compare one player's MLB debut with a player who has not played at the MLB level.

Edited June 8, 2019 by harmony

[moonslav59]

Comparisons have not been limited to those that cast Michael Chavis in a negative light. On May 21:

 

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/19013-A-Realistic-View-at-2019-Part-I?p=1242670#post1242670

 

Objectivity is a heavy cross to bear.

 

It's obvious what these numbers were designed to show, and it's not to show Chavis in a positive light.

 

You are showing Chavis is slightly better than a guy who imploded shortly after this sample size shown...

[notin]

Their ages would not have been mentioned if the ages were not relevant.

 

To omit the ages might demonstrate a lack of objectivity.

 

A lack of objectivity could be shown by asking to compare one player's MLB debut with a player who has not played at the MLB level.

 

Or.... not bringing the completely irrelevant Groome up at all might have been objective...

[harmony]

Or.... not bringing the completely irrelevant Groome up at all might have been objective...

Or ... not bringing up the irrelevant failed Seattle prospects.

[OH FOY]

I think, if not for his military service, Williams might have been able to catch Babe Ruth for the all time HR title and might have even made it a point to do so. Aaron would not have been there to shoot for at the time. Ditto Bonds, obviously...

 

Mays too, people don't realize that he basically lost 2 of his best years to the military. His 2 years after he came back from the military, he hit 41 and 51 HRS, he finished with 660 HRS. Avg. his 45 HRS, he breaks it easy.

[notin]

Or ... not bringing up the irrelevant failed Seattle prospects.

 

 

It was a comparison of 3b prospects. Except Chavis, who plays 2b...

[OH FOY]

I think its time to bring up Hernandez from Pawtucket, Chavis is dropping like a rock.

Last 7 days .120

Last 15 days .172

Last 30 days .231

Trending in the wrong direction.

[devildavid]

I think, if not for his military service, Williams might have been able to catch Babe Ruth for the all time HR title and might have even made it a point to do so. Aaron would not have been there to shoot for at the time. Ditto Bonds, obviously...

 

But what if Ruth had not begun his career as a pitcher in the dead ball era?

[devildavid]

Chavis used power to get to this level and his power has lately been negated by MLB level pitching. Without power, he is almost useless as a hitter. And he brings no special defensive abilities to compensate. If the Sox weren't caught with their pants down as far as reliable infield depth, he should be sent down. He needs the long ball soon or his days with the big club are numbered.

[notin]

But what if Ruth had not begun his career as a pitcher in the dead ball era?

 

Babe Ruth played in an era where the home run rules were so different, he should have been the one with the asterisk...

[harmony]

It's obvious what these numbers were designed to show, and it's not to show Chavis in a positive light.

 

You are showing Chavis is slightly better than a guy who imploded shortly after this sample size shown...

The comparison was too obvious for the media to ignore:

 

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2019/05/02/will-middlebrooks-michael-chavis-red-sox-rookie

 

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/former-red-sox-infielder-will-middlebrooks-lived-life-michael-chavis-experiencing

 

https://nesn.com/2019/05/ex-red-sox-will-middlebrooks-shares-biggest-advice-for-michael-chavis/

[Bellhorn04]

The comparison was too obvious for the media to ignore:

 

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2019/05/02/will-middlebrooks-michael-chavis-red-sox-rookie

 

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/former-red-sox-infielder-will-middlebrooks-lived-life-michael-chavis-experiencing

 

https://nesn.com/2019/05/ex-red-sox-will-middlebrooks-shares-biggest-advice-for-michael-chavis/

 

Yes, there are a lot of Captain Obvious'es about.

[moonslav59]

The comparison was too obvious for the media to ignore:

 

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2019/05/02/will-middlebrooks-michael-chavis-red-sox-rookie

 

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/former-red-sox-infielder-will-middlebrooks-lived-life-michael-chavis-experiencing

 

https://nesn.com/2019/05/ex-red-sox-will-middlebrooks-shares-biggest-advice-for-michael-chavis/

 

Nobody is ignoring the comparison or suggesting we ignore it. Of course, we've thought about how Chavis could become the next Middy.

 

Our issue is about you posting and reposting the comp point to an extreme.

 

Yes, Chavis can become like Middy or even worse. We all know that. The high K rate and comedown off the roids are all red flags.

 

Nobody is saying you are the only one bringing up the comp, but those other links you provided are not printing the comps over a dozen times.

 

[harmony]

Nobody is ignoring the comparison or suggesting we ignore it. Of course, we've thought about how Chavis could become the next Middy.

 

Our issue is about you posting and reposting the comp point to an extreme.

 

Yes, Chavis can become like Middy or even worse. We all know that. The high K rate and comedown off the roids are all red flags.

 

Nobody is saying you are the only one bringing up the comp, but those other links you provided are not printing the comps over a dozen times.

 

As noted Friday, no more Chavis/Middlebrooks comps will be offered absent a specific request.

Edited June 8, 2019 by harmony

[jacksonianmarch]

He has a hole in his swing. He hasn’t faced failure yet (outside of getting caught). This is what a demotion is for. Fix the hole in your swing and we will call you up

[moonslav59]

Chavis used power to get to this level and his power has lately been negated by MLB level pitching. Without power, he is almost useless as a hitter. And he brings no special defensive abilities to compensate. If the Sox weren't caught with their pants down as far as reliable infield depth, he should be sent down. He needs the long ball soon or his days with the big club are numbered.

 

We had pretty good IF depth, but it's hard to overcome several injuries at one position: Pedey, Holt, Lin, Marco and a hobbled Nunez.

 

Plus, Chavis is not a bad 6th option at 2B.

 

I'd say our 2B depth was pretty good, but 4 of them have been on the IL and Nunez cannot play 2B everyday.

[moonslav59]

He has a hole in his swing. He hasn’t faced failure yet (outside of getting caught). This is what a demotion is for. Fix the hole in your swing and we will call you up

 

He's always had a high K rate, and a "hole in his swing," so he's probably been trying to fix it for a long time.

 

He also faced failure in 2015 & 2016- a long stretch:

.682 in 471 PAs at Greenville.

.684 in 339 PAs at Greenville & Salem

 

With Moreland, Pearce & JD hurt, Chavis will get a chance to fix his swing at the big league level. It's not ideal, but it is what it is.

 

He may get sent down at some point. We'll see, if he can snap out of it soon.

[TylerD]

Chavis will be solid today. At least 1 homer. Book it.

[FredLynn]

Chavis will be solid today. At least 1 homer. Book it.

 

Chavis needs to be deposited back to Pawtucket. WAY too many K's.

[moonslav59]

He did get 2 hits with the 2 Ks today.

[Bellhorn04]

How do you like that, folks? Chavis may actually be one of the bright spots of the day.

[moonslav59]

How do you like that, folks? Chavis may actually be one of the bright spots of the day.

 

He, JBJ and Shawaryn.

[oldtimer]

He, JBJ and Shawaryn.

 

The team did look shaky in the first game. Lets face it, our use of long BP guys doesn't work well since we really don't have the quality of guys to handle that assignment. Shawaryn was the e xception and may be given that role the next time around. I am assuming Eovladi is still a week away. The lineup was really weakened too with JDM out, Beni resting against the lefty and Moreland back on the IL. Tough to win against a good team with what we put on the field. The second game will be a different story, with better pitching, Beni back and maybe some of the guys will hit a little better.

[a700hitter]

The team did look shaky in the first game. Lets face it, our use of long BP guys doesn't work well since we really don't have the quality of guys to handle that assignment. Shawaryn was the e xception and may be given that role the next time around. I am assuming Eovladi is still a week away. The lineup was really weakened too with JDM out, Beni resting against the lefty and Moreland back on the IL. Tough to win against a good team with what we put on the field. The second game will be a different story, with better pitching, Beni back and maybe some of the guys will hit a little better.

The first game got the Rays over confident.

[devildavid]

The first game got the Rays over confident.

 

The first game the Rays took advantage of the poor starting pitcher for the Sox, as any good team should. I wouldn't call that getting over confident. Their record indicates that over confidence is not a problem for them.

[devildavid]

We had pretty good IF depth, but it's hard to overcome several injuries at one position: Pedey, Holt, Lin, Marco and a hobbled Nunez.

 

Plus, Chavis is not a bad 6th option at 2B.

 

I'd say our 2B depth was pretty good, but 4 of them have been on the IL and Nunez cannot play 2B everyday.

 

Pedey was a long shot, Nunez and Holt have been injury prone. Lin was unfortunate.

 

Saying Chavis is not a bad 6th option at 2b is not saying much for him. His defense is weak.

[Bellhorn04]

With Moreland and Pearce out, it's Chavis at first.

[moonslav59]

Pedey was a long shot, Nunez and Holt have been injury prone. Lin was unfortunate.

 

Saying Chavis is not a bad 6th option at 2b is not saying much for him. His defense is weak.

 

My point was, expecting more 2B depth, especially with our budget stretched out and higher needs elsewhere was unrealistic.

 

I think our 2B position was perhaps our deepest of all.

 

(You forgot Marco.)

[moonslav59]

With Moreland and Pearce out, it's Chavis at first.

 

Yes, and with Nunez & Holt and now Marco looking good, Chavis will likely stay at 1B at least until Moreland or Pearce return.

Edited June 9, 2019 by moonslav59

[oldtimer]

Yes, and with Nunez & Holt and now Marco looking good, Chavis will likely stay at 2B at least until Moreland or Pearce return.

 

I think you meant 1st base