Devers

[mvp 78]

No it isn’t.

 

It’s a reminder that just because people always believed something is not a reason to still believe it.

 

Or do I have to break bad news to you about the Easter bunny?

 

Like you believing Adam Conley is a decent pitcher?

[S5Dewey]

No it isn’t.

 

It’s a reminder that just because people always believed something is not a reason to still believe it.

 

Or do I have to break bad news to you about the Easter bunny?

 

What??? Did someone shoot the Easter Bunny?

[cp176]

What??? Did someone shoot the Easter Bunny?

 

hey now hey now - if someone wants to crawl back into their little black and white hole of ciphering, you just let them! They don't believe in such silly stuff as even the "Velveteen Rabbit'! LOL

[notin]

What??? Did someone shoot the Easter Bunny?

 

Easter Hasenfeffer...

[notin]

Like you believing Adam Conley is a decent pitcher?

 

Or that Dalbec is a highly regarded prospect?

 

Conley would be the third best pitcher in the Sox bullpen, possibly the second.

 

And he’d be a different look, since he isn’t a right-handed curve baller.

 

I mean, sure he’s no Brandon Kintzler. But he might be one, once regression sets in.

 

And like I said, who do you think the Sox could get for Dalbec?

[bosoxmal]

And there was a time when the belief that the Earth was flat and the sun revolved around the Earth. And people believed it because everyone always had. Things change..,

 

Gee, you mean the earth was really flat? I didn't know that!

[notin]

Gee, you mean the earth was really flat? I didn't know that!

 

Unlike most things, mal, that was before your time

[moonslav59]

Gee, you mean the earth was really flat? I didn't know that!

 

Yes, we rounded off the corners after too many people walked over the edge.

[Kimmi]

So the ideal hitter #3 hitter would be someone capable of avoiding double plays. Like a speedy flyball hitter...

 

Someone who more or less lives and dies with the home run.

[Kimmi]

Seems like you are reading too much into it.

 

#3 hitter is your best hitter. Its always been that way in the history of the game.

 

It's always been this way in the history of the game only because everyone accepted it as the way it should be.

 

It doesn't mean it's correct.

[moonslav59]

It's always been this way in the history of the game only because everyone accepted it as the way it should be.

 

It doesn't mean it's correct.

 

I used to be a big supporter of putting your best all-around guy up 3rd.

 

I trust the studies that show it is about the 5th most important slot, despite it seeming counter intuitive.

 

To me, the whole alternate lefty-right things is overblown, and should only be used when two players are very close to even.

 

I'm also highly skeptical of the "comfort slot" argument, especially over the long term.

 

IMO, our best two hitters are Betts and JD. Devers and Bogey are both ahead of Beni and Moreland. In theory, Beni or Moreland should bat 3rd, since they are our 5th best hitter(s). If Pearce is hot, he's probably better than Beni and Moreland vs LHPs.

 

I might go with this...

 

vs RHPs

1. Betts

2. Devers

3. Moreland (or Beni)

4. Martinez

5. Bogey

6. Beni

7. Vaz

8. JBJ

9. Holt/Nunez

 

vs LHPs

1. Betts

2. Bogey

3. Pearce (Beni)

4. Martinez

5. Devers

6. Beni

7. Vaz

8. JBJ

9. Holt

[Kimmi]

I used to be a big supporter of putting your best all-around guy up 3rd.

 

I trust the studies that show it is about the 5th most important slot, despite it seeming counter intuitive.

 

To me, the whole alternate lefty-right things is overblown, and should only be used when two players are very close to even.

 

I'm also highly skeptical of the "comfort slot" argument, especially over the long term.

 

IMO, our best two hitters are Betts and JD. Devers and Bogey are both ahead of Beni and Moreland. In theory, Beni or Moreland should bat 3rd, since they are our 5th best hitter(s). If Pearce is hot, he's probably better than Beni and Moreland vs LHPs.

 

I might go with this...

 

vs RHPs

1. Betts

2. Devers

3. Moreland (or Beni)

4. Martinez

5. Bogey

6. Beni

7. Vaz

8. JBJ

9. Holt/Nunez

 

vs LHPs

1. Betts

2. Bogey

3. Pearce (Beni)

4. Martinez

5. Devers

6. Beni

7. Vaz

8. JBJ

9. Holt

 

I am more of a believer in the lefty/righty thing and the comfort thing than you are. If/when they go to the 3 batter minimum for a relief pitcher, the lefty/righty thing becomes even more important.

[moonslav59]

I am more of a believer in the lefty/righty thing and the comfort thing than you are. If/when they go to the 3 batter minimum for a relief pitcher, the lefty/righty thing becomes even more important.

 

That doesn't happen as often as a player's first 3-4 ABs, and that's what PH'ers are for anyways.

 

I do see a value in the L-R thing, but I thin it is less than many think it is.

 

[SCM33]

It's always been this way in the history of the game only because everyone accepted it as the way it should be.

 

It doesn't mean it's correct.

 

 

Yeah, everyone in the history of the game is wrong. Idiots on talksox are right. That makes sense.

[oldtimer]

I am more of a believer in the lefty/righty thing and the comfort thing than you are. If/when they go to the 3 batter minimum for a relief pitcher, the lefty/righty thing becomes even more important.

 

The short stints for starting pitchers these days mean that a hitter often will not have more than 2 AB's against the same pitcher in a game. Hitters don't get to see a pitcher often enough to get as comfortable as when starters were in for 7 to 9 innings. I think it is harder today to use the lefty righty idea effectively because of it. I am an advocate of deciding on a set lineup and staying with it, barring injury or needs for rest.

[Slasher9]

Yeah, everyone in the history of the game is wrong. Idiots on talksox are right. That makes sense.

 

What are you so angry about?

[SCM33]

What are you so angry about?

 

Having an opinion makes me angry?

[Slasher9]

Having an opinion makes me angry?

 

Not at all. Your posts just come across as someone that is angry. Perhaps I am misinterpreting?

[SCM33]

Not at all. Your posts just come across as someone that is angry. Perhaps I am misinterpreting?

 

Maybe, I like a good argument. I can be aggressive.

 

Thats what used to be great about this place, good solid back and forth arguments.

 

I have not changed my posting style, this place got soft.

[jacksonianmarch]

Maybe, I like a good argument. I can be aggressive.

 

Thats what used to be great about this place, good solid back and forth arguments.

 

I have not changed my posting style, this place got soft.

 

Amen. I had no issue with some good back and forth with Mr Crunchy or ORS. Those days are gone

[S5Dewey]

By all means. Civility sucks.

[notin]

Yeah, everyone in the history of the game is wrong. Idiots on talksox are right. That makes sense.

 

 

And yet, whenever Kimmi makes these “new and outrageous” claims, she always has some logical reason to back them up when asked. Always. But if you ask anyone why the status quo method is the right one, the answer far too often is “that’s how it’s always been done.”

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe, I like a good argument. I can be aggressive.

 

Thats what used to be great about this place, good solid back and forth arguments.

 

We try to have the back and forth arguments now without the personal abuse.

[Slasher9]

Maybe, I like a good argument. I can be aggressive.

 

Thats what used to be great about this place, good solid back and forth arguments.

 

I have not changed my posting style, this place got soft.

 

OK. so you arent angry. cool.

i think there are some good arguments going tho?

 

"clutch" or "chocker" can always start a fracas...

[notin]

 

"clutch" or "chocker" can always start a fracas...

 

 

Them’s fightin’ words!!!

[Kimmi]

Yeah, everyone in the history of the game is wrong. Idiots on talksox are right. That makes sense.

 

Everyone in the history of the game has assumed that what they are doing is correct, just because they've always done it that way.

 

To show how wrong everyone in the history of the game can be, just take a look at Jeter's Gold Gloves.

 

Thank goodness for stat geeks.

[Kimmi]

The short stints for starting pitchers these days mean that a hitter often will not have more than 2 AB's against the same pitcher in a game. Hitters don't get to see a pitcher often enough to get as comfortable as when starters were in for 7 to 9 innings. I think it is harder today to use the lefty righty idea effectively because of it. I am an advocate of deciding on a set lineup and staying with it, barring injury or needs for rest.

 

I prefer a set line up as well. I don't mean the lefty/righty thing in terms of who the opposing pitcher is. I mean the lefty/righty thing in terms of alternating the batters. Pick a line up that the players are comfortable with, and stick with it no matter who's pitching.

[Bellhorn04]

I think advanced stats have been very beneficial in some ways.

 

But I also think there's a legitimate question of whether the game itself has gotten better or worse as a result of some of the advances.

[Kimmi]

I think advanced stats have been very beneficial in some ways.

 

But I also think there's a legitimate question of whether the game itself has gotten better or worse as a result of some of the advances.

 

Fair point. Personally, I really dislike all of the extreme shifting, and moving defenders based on the count.

 

That said, it works.

 

Even though I don't like some of the things that analytics has brought to the game, I'd rather see this happen than have teams blindly do what they've always done, just because it's the way it's always been done.

[SCM33]

Another HR.