2019 Sox Salaries

[jacksonianmarch]

MLBTR published their arbitration estimates. Price opted in. The following are the lux tax hits for all players on the sox as of right now or as projected by MLBTR

 

 

Arb players:

Mookie Betts (4.070) – $18.7MM

Xander Bogaerts (5.042) – $11.9MM

Jackie Bradley Jr. (4.150) – $7.9MM

Eduardo Rodriguez (3.130) – $4.8MM

Brock Holt (5.052) – $3.4MM

Tyler Thornburg (5.057) – $2.3MM

Sandy Leon (4.149) – $2.3MM

Matt Barnes (3.110) – $1.5MM

Brandon Workman (4.051) – $1.4MM

Steven Wright (4.087) – $1.4MM

Heath Hembree (3.106) – $1.2MM

Carson Smith (4.028) – $1.1MM

Blake Swihart (2.164) – $1.1MM

 

Contracts:

Sandoval $18 mil

Price $31 mil

Pedroia $13.75 mil

Martinez $22 mil

Sale $15 mil

Nunez $5 mil

Porcello $20.62 mil

Moreland $7 mil

Vazquez $4.45 mil

 

Consider there will be 18 pre-arb players on the list as well to round out the 40 man. That comes out to $10.8 mil. Add in medicals at $15 mil

 

Right now, with the FA's rolling out and if there are no improvements, the sox cap number for 2019, assuming no extensions, signings and that the arb predictions are correct, stands at $219.32 mil. The cap for 2019 is $206 mil. The final threshold is $40 mil over that at $246 mil. If the sox spend to the threshold again in 2019, they will have $26.8 mil to spend this offseason

[notin]

It’s possible some from the set of Thornburg, Smith, Hembree and Workman are not offered arbitration, freeing up another potential $6mill...

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the likelihood is the sox part with either Swihart or Leon (probably Leon) as well as Smith. I doubt they get rid of Workman. I also think Thornburg is cheap enough to at least see if he can regain his velocity. My guess is they will free up another $3.4 mil by non-tendering Leon and Smith

[notin]

I think the likelihood is the sox part with either Swihart or Leon (probably Leon) as well as Smith. I doubt they get rid of Workman. I also think Thornburg is cheap enough to at least see if he can regain his velocity. My guess is they will free up another $3.4 mil by non-tendering Leon and Smith

 

It will also depend on the condition of Thornburg’s shoulder.

 

Smith should probably go. He’s pitched like 10 innings in the past two seasons combined. If the Sox want him back, he might be available on a minor league deal.

 

And I do agree they will probably have one less catcher....

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

 

Dombrowski says Sox will do what they can to keep as many players as possible together. Says he’d be thrilled if he could bring back the team as constituted, but recognizes that as unrealistic based on market for free agents.

[FredLynn]

It will also depend on the condition of Thornburg’s shoulder.

 

Smith should probably go. He’s pitched like 10 innings in the past two seasons combined. If the Sox want him back, he might be available on a minor league deal.

 

And I do agree they will probably have one less catcher....

 

Smith should go because he is an idiot. As they say, you can't cure stupid.

[mvp 78]

It will also depend on the condition of Thornburg’s shoulder.

 

Smith should probably go. He’s pitched like 10 innings in the past two seasons combined. If the Sox want him back, he might be available on a minor league deal.

 

And I do agree they will probably have one less catcher....

 

Outrighted off the roster. Smith elected FA.

[notin]

Smith should go because he is an idiot. As they say, you can't cure stupid.

 

Maybe you can’t cure it, but you can sign stupid to a minor league contract...

Edited November 1, 2018 by notin

[moonslav59]

If Smith gets $1.1M, we don't save $1.1M by seeing him go. We save the difference between $1.1M and mim wage, at best.

 

I doubt we non tender Leon. His value as Sale's caddy alone is worth $1-2M.

 

My guess is Workman and Hembree return.

 

Thornburg might have high upside, but that $2.3M is about as much as Hembree & Smith combined (or Hembree and Workman).

 

If, and I know it's a big if, Pedey could return and be reliable, trading Nunez would save $5M.

 

I'm not sure we need to cut much, if any salary. Henry might decide to go over the $40M mark for 2019 or hover just under it. Either way, we can afford to spend on Eovaldi, Kelly and Pearce and be close to the max line. Then, we'd have to see how much Kimbrel really means to this team.

 

 

[moonslav59]

 

Right now, with the FA's rolling out and if there are no improvements, the sox cap number for 2019, assuming no extensions, signings and that the arb predictions are correct, stands at $219.32 mil. The cap for 2019 is $206 mil. The final threshold is $40 mil over that at $246 mil. If the sox spend to the threshold again in 2019, they will have $26.8 mil to spend this offseason

 

My numbers show...

 

In Luxury Tax Dollars

31.1 David Price

22.0 JD Martinez

20.1 Rick Porcello

18.7 Mookie Betts

13.8 Dustin Pedroia

15.0 Chris Sale

11.9 Xander Bogaerts

7.9 Jackie Bradley Jr.

6.5 Mitch Moreland

5.0 Eduardo Nunez (with PA bonus reached)

4.8 Eduardo Rodriguez

4.5 Christian Vazquez

3.4 Brock Holt

2.3 Tyler Thornburg

2.3 Sandy Leon

1.5 Matt Barnes

1.4 Brandon Workman

1.4 Steven Wright

1.2 Heath Hembree

1.1 Carson Smith

1.1 Blake Swihart

 

$174M Total (21 players)

 

$2.2M Min for 4 MLB roster players

 

$2.2M 15 players in minor leagues on 40 man roster

 

$14.5M Player Benefits

 

$18.5M Sandoval

 

$211M Total

 

 

[oldtimer]

My numbers show...

 

In Luxury Tax Dollars

31.1 David Price

22.0 JD Martinez

20.1 Rick Porcello

18.7 Mookie Betts

13.8 Dustin Pedroia

15.0 Chris Sale

11.9 Xander Bogaerts

7.9 Jackie Bradley Jr.

6.5 Mitch Moreland

5.0 Eduardo Nunez (with PA bonus reached)

4.8 Eduardo Rodriguez

4.5 Christian Vazquez

3.4 Brock Holt

2.3 Tyler Thornburg

2.3 Sandy Leon

1.5 Matt Barnes

1.4 Brandon Workman

1.4 Steven Wright

1.2 Heath Hembree

1.1 Carson Smith

1.1 Blake Swihart

 

$174M Total (21 players)

 

$2.2M Min for 4 MLB roster players

 

$2.2M 15 players in minor leagues on 40 man roster

 

$14.5M Player Benefits

 

$18.5M Sandoval

 

$211M Total

 

 

 

A risk area on the team involves how well Pedey can make it back for 2019. I hate to address that with only Holt and Nunez covering 2nd, 3rd and SS. I expect Pedey to only play a partial season at best. I hope Pedey will return at least to a performance level that will be adequate, but the risk is there.

 

I subscribe to the idea of Pearce, Kelly and Eovaldi, if we can sign them. That would put our 2019 team close to where it was in 2018. Kimbrel's value to us would likely be lower than the contract he would be offered on the FA market.

 

I expect we will go with 2 catchers in 2019. Either Leon or Swihart will go or both and we pick up another, which is less likely.

 

We have a high potential reliever in the minors in Feltman who may make the club this year. With 5 starters, Kelly, Barnes, Brasier, Hembree back we are on the way to an acceptable BP. One key is whether Wright's physical health. If healthy, he is a great addition as a possible 6th starter and also out of the pen. Probably could use a lefty reliever. Could we use Poyner, go on the market. If we can solve the BP in that way we might be able to let Thornburg, Smith and even Workman go in trades.

[moonslav59]

A risk area on the team involves how well Pedey can make it back for 2019. I hate to address that with only Holt and Nunez covering 2nd, 3rd and SS. I expect Pedey to only play a partial season at best. I hope Pedey will return at least to a performance level that will be adequate, but the risk is there.

 

I subscribe to the idea of Pearce, Kelly and Eovaldi, if we can sign them. That would put our 2019 team close to where it was in 2018. Kimbrel's value to us would likely be lower than the contract he would be offered on the FA market.

 

I expect we will go with 2 catchers in 2019. Either Leon or Swihart will go or both and we pick up another, which is less likely.

 

We have a high potential reliever in the minors in Feltman who may make the club this year. With 5 starters, Kelly, Barnes, Brasier, Hembree back we are on the way to an acceptable BP. One key is whether Wright's physical health. If healthy, he is a great addition as a possible 6th starter and also out of the pen. Probably could use a lefty reliever. Could we use Poyner, go on the market. If we can solve the BP in that way we might be able to let Thornburg, Smith and even Workman go in trades.

 

Yes.

 

If our starters can stay healthy, we may have Johnson or Velazquez in the pen as well.

[cp176]

Smith should go because he is an idiot. As they say, you can't cure stupid.

 

Smith sealed his deal a long time ago by throwing the glove and blaming the coaching staff for his latest injury. He does not fit the current Red Sox mold - no fools. I think that even though Cora seems extremely nice and polite, he has a great voice in who plays for this team. He gets it.

[Slasher9]

Smith sealed his deal a long time ago by throwing the glove and blaming the coaching staff for his latest injury. He does not fit the current Red Sox mold - no fools. I think that even though Cora seems extremely nice and polite, he has a great voice in who plays for this team. He gets it.

 

i want to argue with you. but i just can't. i agree with you.

 

also, the guy that started this thread is praying every day that JH puts away the checkbook. hahahaha.

we are NOT resetting this year. maybe 2020. but this year? Commander Data will spend whatever amount he feels like..... DD will be able to be aggressive with short term deals.

[cp176]

i want to argue with you. but i just can't. i agree with you.

 

also, the guy that started this thread is praying every day that JH puts away the checkbook. hahahaha.

we are NOT resetting this year. maybe 2020. but this year? Commander Data will spend whatever amount he feels like..... DD will be able to be aggressive with short term deals.

 

Oh you know you and I will argue about lots of other stuff going forward. lol

 

From the looks of things, John Henry liked this team a lot too. That is probably the most important thing.

[S5Dewey]

Oh you know you and I will argue about lots of other stuff going forward. lol

 

From the looks of things, John Henry liked this team a lot too. That is probably the most important thing.

 

There's a lot to like here from everybody. Everyone seems to get along and IMO most of the credit for that goes to Alex Cora. Cora was able to convey to the players that he'd cover their asses no matter what they did and he conveyed to JH that while he (Cora) had his own opinions he also recognized that JH was the guy with the money and therefore the one who could make the hard decisions if push came to shove.

 

It looked to me like everyone in the FO did exactly what a successful manager should do. They gave Cora all the tools to do a good job and then got out of his way and let him do it.

[moonslav59]

Yes, there is a zero chance we reset this year. The big question is about the $40M penalty line and how close we come to it or go over it- probably for just one year.

 

I'm not even sure we reset after 2019. I'm thinking after 2020 is the likely time, but a lot depends on how we look next year.

 

I wouldn't be surprised, if we end up signing just Eovaldi and Kelly or something similar. We keep some budget space for DD to work his in season magic, if and where it might be needed.

[cp176]

There's a lot to like here from everybody. Everyone seems to get along and IMO most of the credit for that goes to Alex Cora. Cora was able to convey to the players that he'd cover their asses no matter what they did and he conveyed to JH that while he (Cora) had his own opinions he also recognized that JH was the guy with the money and therefore the one who could make the hard decisions if push came to shove.

 

It looked to me like everyone in the FO did exactly what a successful manager should do. They gave Cora all the tools to do a good job and then got out of his way and let him do it.

 

I think that you are right for sure but i also think that Cora has had a big say as to who the players are that are coming to Boston. I absolutely think that he knows what a winner looks like. I think he had a pretty good idea that once he got everything squared away, which included allowing Hanley to walk, that he had a team of battlers that could and would get along. I think that Cora is tougher than people tend to think he is. He doesn't strike me as the "loosey goosey lets just go out there and have some fun kind of players manager" that some people could think he is. All of these guys are professionals. They are all pretty good at what they do. Finding the right guys is the hard job. It is ok to overpay for players sometimes but you better make sure what they are made of mentally before you sign them. looks like the no prima donna rule applies here and to me that says winner now and going forward.

[jacksonianmarch]

MLBTR published their arbitration estimates. Price opted in. The following are the lux tax hits for all players on the sox as of right now or as projected by MLBTR

 

 

Arb players:

Mookie Betts (4.070) – $18.7MM

Xander Bogaerts (5.042) – $11.9MM

Jackie Bradley Jr. (4.150) – $7.9MM

Eduardo Rodriguez (3.130) – $4.8MM

Brock Holt (5.052) – $3.4MM

Tyler Thornburg (5.057) – $2.3MM

Sandy Leon (4.149) – $2.3MM

Matt Barnes (3.110) – $1.5MM

Brandon Workman (4.051) – $1.4MM

Steven Wright (4.087) – $1.4MM

Heath Hembree (3.106) – $1.2MM

Carson Smith (4.028) – $1.1MM

Blake Swihart (2.164) – $1.1MM

 

Contracts:

Sandoval $18 mil

Price $31 mil

Pedroia $13.75 mil

Martinez $22 mil

Sale $15 mil

Nunez $5 mil

Porcello $20.62 mil

Moreland $7 mil

Vazquez $4.45 mil

 

Consider there will be 18 pre-arb players on the list as well to round out the 40 man. That comes out to $10.8 mil. Add in medicals at $15 mil

 

Right now, with the FA's rolling out and if there are no improvements, the sox cap number for 2019, assuming no extensions, signings and that the arb predictions are correct, stands at $219.32 mil. The cap for 2019 is $206 mil. The final threshold is $40 mil over that at $246 mil. If the sox spend to the threshold again in 2019, they will have $26.8 mil to spend this offseason

 

Sox save $2 mil on Thornburg and Smith. Consider $6 mil more saved on the pre-arb end as 15 of those players will be in the minors on minor league deals. Add in Eovaldi and Pierce at $22.9 mil for 2019 and you're up to $234 mil. Top penalty mark is $246 mil. How much do you want to save for the deadline?

[Bellhorn04]

John Henry is obviously not lying awake at night worrying about the top tax threshold. I expect we'll go over it a little again this year.

[notin]

John Henry is obviously not lying awake at night worrying about the top tax threshold. I expect we'll go over it a little again this year.

 

All those players will not be with the team come April as well. Swihart is at risk, simply because there are only 4 Ben h spots and all appear taken. Thornburg is also not guaranteed anything just yet either, and his particular injury (thoracic outlet) apparently isn’t so easy to recover from.

 

Of course that only frees up at most $2.8mill. (Thornburg agreed to a $1.75mill deal, not the antipated $2.3mill in the post).

 

With 7 starting pitchers, something has to give there too...

[Nick]

All those players will not be with the team come April as well. Swihart is at risk, simply because there are only 4 Ben h spots and all appear taken. Thornburg is also not guaranteed anything just yet either, and his particular injury (thoracic outlet) apparently isn’t so easy to recover from.

 

Of course that only frees up at most $2.8mill. (Thornburg agreed to a $1.75mill deal, not the antipated $2.3mill in the post).

 

With 7 starting pitchers, something has to give there too...

 

Going over $40M in 2019 won't be as bad as in 2020 because the penalty over the initial cutoff is 30% in 2019 versus 50% for 2020.

 

Another way to look at is we save $8M in 2019 over 2020 because of second time offender status in 2019 versus third time offender status in 2020.

[Bellhorn04]

Going over $40M in 2019 won't be as bad as in 2020 because the penalty over the initial cutoff is 30% in 2019 versus 50% for 2020.

 

Another way to look at is we save $8M in 2019 over 2020 because of second time offender status in 2019 versus third time offender status in 2020.

 

LOL - that's some creative spin.

[moonslav59]

Going over $40M in 2019 won't be as bad as in 2020 because the penalty over the initial cutoff is 30% in 2019 versus 50% for 2020.

 

Another way to look at is we save $8M in 2019 over 2020 because of second time offender status in 2019 versus third time offender status in 2020.

 

I'm still not sure we went over the $40M mark this year. It seems strange to go over by less than a million.

[Nick]

LOL - that's some creative spin.

 

It's the same logic as when my wife says I saved YOU 50% on these sales items. I saved over $500. I should go spend more money so I can save you some more, HONEY. Sure.

[iortiz]

John Henry is obviously not lying awake at night worrying about the top tax threshold. I expect we'll go over it a little again this year.

 

There's still a lot of talent there to just waste it. You don't know when you are going to be in this position again.

 

Said that they will spend and will go with all cylinders and engines at full capacity to try to win it all again.