A Realistic View at 2019: Part I

[moonslav59]

Thanks for the vidual aid. It helps.

 

In terms of priority, we need both Betts and JD. We suspected Betts would have a bounce back year but having JD anchor middle of the lineup solidified this team. We need him. Throw in team controlled kids in Beni and Devers. I would keep JBJ around too.

 

What to do with Xander. We are making a terrible mistake if we give him $20M and up. It's NOT that he's not deserving but spending too much money on a shortstop will necessarily force someone else not being signed. We can't have it all, you have to make choices.

 

Same goes with not signing Kimbrel and looking for a cheaper alternative.

 

Same goes with not signing Porcello when his gig is up. We have to give up something.

 

I rather bet on Betts and JD to continue with our success. We will need to up the ante for JD after 2019 season. I see him as more of priority than Xander. You can always find a good defensive shortstop. Not many JD in this league.

 

I agree with pretty much everything here. The decision on Sale may be very hard, too (not mentioned here).

 

To me, if we keep Betts & JD, and we have to choose between these two choices, I go with...

 

Sale > Porcello (assuming Sale passes the physical)

 

JBJ > Bogey

 

Kelly > Kimbrel (money differential)

 

Without any major additions, what are this team's chances without Bogey, Porcello and Kimbrel- assuming everything else stays and remains pretty consistent in performance output?

[moonslav59]

 

Without any major additions, what are this team's chances without Bogey, Porcello and Kimbrel- assuming everything else stays and remains pretty consistent in performance output?

 

2-3 years from now...

1. Betts RF

2. Beni LF

3. Devers 3B

4. JD DH

5. JBJ CF

6. Chavis/Ockimey/Dalbec 1B

7. Hernandez/Quiroz 2B

8. Lin/Chatham SS

9. Vaz C

(Of course, we'll add somebody, but this is the base we'd have to work with.)

 

SP: Sale, Price, ERod, Wright, Johnson, Velazquez/Shawaryn/Groome

RP: Feltman, Kelly, Barnes, Brasier, Hembree, Workman/Scott/Poyner/Walden/Lakins

 

 

 

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Big thing for Sox this year is everyone remaining relatively healthy, especially the starting four of Sale, Price, Porcello and E Rod. I would love to see E Rod take it up another notch. He needs more swings and misses to keep his pitch count low. No matter how he starts off a batter, inevitably he goes to 2-2, 3-2 counts.

 

I'm still an ERod fan but his stuff is just not good enough for any mistakes. As a result he lives on the corners and there is little margin for error there, that's why the counts go full so often. And that's why IMO what you see now is probably all he's going to be, a 4th starter.

[moonslav59]

I'm still an ERod fan but his stuff is just not good enough for any mistakes. As a result he lives on the corners and there is little margin for error there' date=' that's why the counts go full so often. And that's why IMO what you see now is probably all he's going to be, a 4th starter.[/quote']

 

I disagree. I think he has the best non fastball "stuff" on the staff. It's nastier than nasty!

 

He nibbles too much and should pitch to contact, instead of trying to get batters to swing at balls outside the strike zone.

[notin]

I disagree. I think he has the best non fastball "stuff" on the staff. It's nastier than nasty!

 

He nibbles too much and should pitch to contact, instead of trying to get batters to swing at balls outside the strike zone.

 

You can make a living on the corners. Jamie Moyer did that for 60 years and did so with mediocre stuff...

[mvp 78]

2-3 years from now...

1. Betts RF

2. Beni LF

3. Devers 3B

4. JD DH

5. JBJ CF

6. Chavis/Ockimey/Dalbec 1B

7. Hernandez/Quiroz 2B

8. Lin/Chatham SS

9. Vaz C

(Of course, we'll add somebody, but this is the base we'd have to work with.)

 

SP: Sale, Price, ERod, Wright, Johnson, Velazquez/Shawaryn/Groome

RP: Feltman, Kelly, Barnes, Brasier, Hembree, Workman/Scott/Poyner/Walden/Lakins

 

 

 

 

I think the key is for DD to go out and find decent SP replacements. Sox clearly have good bullpen and offensive depth.

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Dombrowski says if they don't retain Kimbrel, Barnes and Brasier are candidates they'd consider for the closer role.

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

 

Dombrowski says Sox like all 3 of their catchers. ‘I’d say it’s unlikely but not impossible that you have three guys... I’m not sure where that’s going to take us at this point.’ Implies team is open-minded about where it will go with Vazquez/Swihart/Leon.

[sk7326]

I'm still an ERod fan but his stuff is just not good enough for any mistakes. As a result he lives on the corners and there is little margin for error there' date=' that's why the counts go full so often. And that's why IMO what you see now is probably all he's going to be, a 4th starter.[/quote']

 

He has fringy #1/terrific #2 level stuff. His COMMAND comes and goes. But he is the only starter besides Sale on the staff who can look absolutely unhittable. (Price is outstanding and much more consistent - but not sure he has the same ceiling anymore)

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Dombrowski says Sale just needs rest this offseason, not anticipating any type of surgical procedures necessary.

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Dombrowski says they'll be sending qualifying offers to some of their free agents but aren't at liberty to say until MLB announces it on Friday.

[Bellhorn04]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Dombrowski says Sale just needs rest this offseason, not anticipating any type of surgical procedures necessary.

 

That's what ya said last year Dave!

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

 

Dombrowski says the Sox have a group of young pitchers who they really like who will be in Double A next year, contributing to the sense that there is internal depth in the organization.

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Also Dombrowski confirms Eduardo Nunez has accepted his player option and will remain in Boston.

[sk7326]

I think the key is for DD to go out and find decent SP replacements. Sox clearly have good bullpen and offensive depth.

 

It is an interesting starting market.

 

- I am pessimistic about re-signing Eovaldi. Somebody is going to blow away the market with years and the Sox will reluctantly have to let him walk.

- I would not be surprised if Pomeranz got re-signed on some sort of short "prove-it" deal. His health and suckiness last year might scare off a hot market for him. Coming back to this team and re-building his market might be the right move.

- Charlie Morton, Anibal Sanchez, Hyu-Jin Riu and Derek Holland are all interesting "old guys" who are possibly gettable for a 1-2 year deal.

- I see basically zero chance either Price or Kershaw opt out.

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Dombrowski: Wright is a good rotation option as long as we figure out what's going on with his knee. Doesn't have surgery planned, but needs to get it looked at again.

[mvp 78]

That's what ya said last year Dave!

 

Because "not anticipating" is the exact same thing as "100% certain no surgical procedures will be required."

[Bellhorn04]

I see basically zero chance either Price or Kershaw opt out.

 

That's a very bold call on Price.

[Bellhorn04]

Because "not anticipating" is the exact same thing as "100% certain no surgical procedures will be required."

 

I wuz only trying to have some fun.

[mvp 78]

@JMastrodonato

 

Luxury tax threshold not a limitation for Red Sox, Dombrowski indicates.

[mvp 78]

I wuz only trying to have some fun.

 

EFFF that noise. This is serious business.

 

The "Dombrowski lied to us or doesn't know if his players are even injured" conversation from last offseason was something I'm not looking forward to revisiting.

[Bellhorn04]

@JMastrodonato

 

Luxury tax threshold not a limitation for Red Sox, Dombrowski indicates.

 

Woo hoo! The party ain't over.

[mvp 78]

Woo hoo! The party ain't over.

 

DD's thoughts on the upcoming cliff

[notin]

I think the key is for DD to go out and find decent SP replacements. Sox clearly have good bullpen and offensive depth.

 

They do have some bullpen depth, but I’m not all that convinced on quality yet. The pitchers on the 40-man who constitute that depth include Poyner, Scott, Walden and Cuevas. The only one I like there is Poyner...

[notin]

Because "not anticipating" is the exact same thing as "100% certain no surgical procedures will be required."

 

Didn’t one player schedule surgery eithin48 hours of that statement?

 

Really, the dispensation of medical status isn’t always Dombrowski’s to give. I’m sure he’s allowed to say somethings, but at some point HIPPA comes into play...

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Cora says if he's ready to go, Pedroia will lead off Opening Day next year. "He's earned it." Says that'll be the only game Mookie Betts won't lead off.

[notin]

@JMastrodonato

 

Luxury tax threshold not a limitation for Red Sox, Dombrowski indicates.

 

They always say that...

[mvp 78]

They do have some bullpen depth, but I’m not all that convinced on quality yet. The pitchers on the 40-man who constitute that depth include Poyner, Scott, Walden and Cuevas. The only one I like there is Poyner...

 

I'm more into D Hernandez, Houck and Feltman. I think those guys could leapfrog the ones you mentioned in Spring Training.

[mvp 78]

They always say that...

 

And the Sox haven't seemed to worry about it lately when a lot of people on here can't stop obsessing over it.

[notin]

I think the key is for DD to go out and find decent SP replacements. Sox clearly have good bullpen and offensive depth.

 

I expect minimal movement, which makes for ANOTHER slow and boring off-season.

 

If the Sox can’t re-sign Eovaldi and/or Kimbrel, it could get interesting. But if he can, what’s the biggest question? Is it about offering arbitration to Smith and Thornburg?

 

If he re-signs Kimbrel, Pearce And Eovaldi, the biggest offseason moves might be DFAing Phillips and Renda...