Sox starting pitching thread

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USA Today baseball writer Bob Nightengale predicts that Jed Lowrie could return to the Red Sox before the trade deadline:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/05/29/mlb-trade-deadline-manny-machado-josh-donaldson-cole-hamels-rumors/650523002/

 

I doubt it.

 

Why would the Sox want Lowrie? Middle infield is not a weakness. Offense really isn't either.

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Holt is fine at 2b and SS.

 

Not a fan of Holt's defense...

[a700hitter]

Not a fan of Holt's defense...

He's just fine anywhere we put him in a pinch.

[notin]

He's just fine anywhere we put him in a pinch.

 

Short term, I agree. He has his uses.

 

He's a role player, and while his role is pretty wide, he is still best used in his role...

[S5Dewey]

He's just fine anywhere we put him in a pinch.

 

I agree, and that's why that's his role. I feel comfortable putting him nearly anywhere in the field for a short period of time. If he were good enough to have a position of his own on this team he'd be filling it. Instead he's almost good enough to play any position as a regular. IMO having a player like him is a luxury.

[Spudboy]

He's just fine anywhere we put him in a pinch.

 

Exactly.

[Spudboy]

I agree, and that's why that's his role. I feel comfortable putting him nearly anywhere in the field for a short period of time. If he were good enough to have a position of his own on this team he'd be filling it. Instead he's almost good enough to play any position as a regular. IMO having a player like him is a luxury.

 

Lol.

 

Now wait a few so someone can post a few reams of of superfluous data that de-legitimizes your OPINION.

[Maxbialystock]

He's just fine anywhere we put him in a pinch.

 

Exactly right. He is the consummate utility guy who more often than not does some good. He can in fact play 4 infield and 3 outfield positions with a modicum of skill, he can sometimes hit and/or bunt and/or get a walk, and he's not bad on the basepaths. I am not, repeat not, a big Holt fan, but can see why Cora has him on the roster.

[MADSTORK]

Starting Pitching 2016-17 Post Season

23IP 28ER Priceless!

 

The great Porcello 7IP 7ER and we are supposed to think this Staff again in 2018 will win a ring? Dombrowski missed the boat on Verlander and Cole. Will he make the same mistake this deadline?

 

Make the call on Odorizzi Hamels (depending on vesting option?) Fullmer, Harvey, Wheeler, Ross and maybe the great Kershaw. Tax strapped is a beautiful thing ain't it my friends

[StephenCurry30]

dfa/bench/demote/dl pomeranz and get wright in the rotation asap

[jacksonianmarch]

You can’t afford Hamels. The Twins are still in it in the central and their ace is returning soon. You don’t have the prospects for Fulmer. Outside of a Jaime Garcia type, your rotation will be filled internally

[kenmeister]

dfa/bench/demote/dl pomeranz and get wright in the rotation asap

 

Amen! Wright looks pretty good right now too.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Dombrowski missed the boat on Verlander and Cole.

 

He did. Interestingly, so did Cashman. Cashman is so cheap with his prospects. He had a chance to get Cole in the offseason and only offered the crappy C.Adams and bust C.Frazier. Of course, the Pirates turned down the trade. Maybe if Cashman offered something fair like Sheffield and Andujar he could have acquired Cole. Stupid Cashman--if he can't squeeze a team to death, he doesn't make the deal.

 

The Astros have a better front office than the Yankees and Red Sox IMO.

 

As long as Price stays healthy, the Yankees are more desperate for a SP than the Red Sox. Moreover, the Red Sox have J.Beeks in AAA, a guy who is ready for the major leagues.

Edited June 1, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I said it three starts ago: send Pomeranz to the bullpen, see if he can flourish as a one inning reliever (and regain some of his lost velocity). Wright should move into the rotation. By starting Pomeranz tonight, the Red Sox basically gave the game away.

[kenmeister]

I said it three starts ago: send Pomeranz to the bullpen, see if he can flourish as a one inning reliever (and regain some of his lost velocity). Wright should move into the rotation. By starting Pomeranz tonight, the Red Sox basically gave the game away.

 

I have to agree.

 

I also think Johnson looks much better as a starter than a reliever, whereas Velazquez and Wright seem pretty good at relieving. But yeah, there's that Beeks guy in AAA that is very impressive. It's a tough call! I don't think you can go wrong with choosing any of those 4 over Pomeranz to take the #5 spot in the rotation.

[bosoxmal]

So, bottom line is 'when does Wright tahe Pomeranz's spot?'

[mvp 78]

So, bottom line is 'when does Wright tahe Pomeranz's spot?'

 

Should be next turn in the rotation? Pomeranz has only had an ERA under 6.75 in two of his starts. His FIP is 1.50 lower than his ERA, so he should "regress" a little, but he still just sucks right now.

 

If they can't get Pom on the DL, I'd put him in the pen, DFA Johnson and call up Beeks to start. Wright can continue to be long reliever (I just don't like Wright every fifth day because you have to worry about rain and other knuckleball nonsense, which could be better monitored in a long relief role).

[mvp 78]

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11426&position=P#pitchvalues

 

Pom's curve used to be his strength, but it completely blows this year.

[jacksonianmarch]

He did. Interestingly, so did Cashman. Cashman is so cheap with his prospects. He had a chance to get Cole in the offseason and only offered the crappy C.Adams and bust C.Frazier. Of course, the Pirates turned down the trade. Maybe if Cashman offered something fair like Sheffield and Andujar he could have acquired Cole. Stupid Cashman--if he can't squeeze a team to death, he doesn't make the deal.

 

The Astros have a better front office than the Yankees and Red Sox IMO.

 

As long as Price stays healthy, the Yankees are more desperate for a SP than the Red Sox. Moreover, the Red Sox have J.Beeks in AAA, a guy who is ready for the major leagues.

 

You truly are a moron. “Bust” Frazier is killing it in AAA and is only down there due to depth.

[mvp 78]

You truly are a moron. “Bust” Frazier is killing it in AAA and is only down there due to depth.

 

I hope to god he's doing well in AAA, it's only his third year there.

[CharlieWhigg]

https://redsoxunfiltered.com/2018/06/01/times-up-drew-pomeranz/

 

Red Sox need to take him out of the rotation. He’s had his chance to prove himself

[jacksonianmarch]

He’s 23 years old. In most systems, he’s a big leaguer, but we have such tremendous depth that he sticks at AAA. Next year is his year. I foresee Gardner moving on and Clint being installed as the LFer

[mvp 78]

https://redsoxunfiltered.com/2018/06/01/times-up-drew-pomeranz/

 

Red Sox need to take him out of the rotation. He’s had his chance to prove himself

 

No mention of Beeks?

[Maxbialystock]

I don't know about time's up because I'm fine with whatever Cora decides.

 

But, as far as I am concerned, the one thing Pom has done this season is prove himself. He has always relied way too much on his below average fastball and knuckle curve, and he must be the only lefty starter in MLB who basically does not have a changeup. What we have seen this year--in my opinion, anyway--is the real Pomeranz. Even on a good day when he is really on, he has to nibble, nibble, nibble and consequently rarely goes beyond 6 innings. Last year he started 32 games and pitched 173.2 innings--a tad over 5.1 innings per start.

[Station 13]

No mention of Beeks?

 

He shall inherited a rotation spot quite soon.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't know about time's up because I'm fine with whatever Cora decides.

 

Yes, it's a given that the team will make more intelligent and more patient decisions than the fans.

[Slasher9]

is it too late to get Espinoza back?

Pom was broken when we traded for him.

he is still broken.

thanks DD!

[S5Dewey]

I don't know about time's up because I'm fine with whatever Cora decides.

 

But, as far as I am concerned, the one thing Pom has done this season is prove himself. He has always relied way too much on his below average fastball and knuckle curve, and he must be the only lefty starter in MLB who basically does not have a changeup. What we have seen this year--in my opinion, anyway--is the real Pomeranz. Even on a good day when he is really on, he has to nibble, nibble, nibble and consequently rarely goes beyond 6 innings. Last year he started 32 games and pitched 173.2 innings--a tad over 5.1 innings per start.

 

The thing is, that's what he always was. He made a career out of getting into - and out of - trouble. The trouble is that this year he's not getting out. That's why he has a career ERA of just under 4.00 and this year he's just under 7.00.

When he gets out of his own trouble he's a serviceable #3-4 but when he can't he's a candidate for being DFA'd. I do still think it's early to be giving up on him. He did after all miss ST.

[Slasher9]

He's just fine anywhere we put him in a pinch.

 

i agree with this. but it seems like everyday is a pinch and he will get exposed.

[SoxnCycles]

Yes, it's a given that the team will make more intelligent and more patient decisions than the fans.

 

Approx 300 years of observance/coaching vs a year and a 1/3 of coaching/managing for Cora?

 

Please...