Hanley DFA’d

[FredLynn]

I don't know the specifics of the Hanley Ramirez contract but I suspect Ramirez may have a grievance if the vesting option is voided.

 

Ramirez was playing well enough to be on pace to vest the $22 million option for 2019. As the Alex Speier article mentions, it would have been awkward for the Red Sox to keep Ramirez but cut back his plate appearances to avoid the vesting option. However, any grievance Ramirez may have had with that strategy pales in comparison to a grievance that the DFA that voids the option altogether if no team claims him.

 

Again I don't know the specifics of the contract but I doubt Ramirez can lose the benefits of the vesting option that easily.

 

Once he is released he is free to sign a totally new contract with another team. The current Sox contract option is null and void since he will not be getting the necessary PAs with the team.

[harmony]

So how does that work? I guess the Sox FO called Hanley's agent and breaks the news and goes over any leagal jargon needed, then the agent calls Hanley and tells him no to show up today?

 

I liked Hanley so I don't want to sound like I'm rubbing it in, but dang. He just lost a ton of money today.

Well, Hanley Ramirez still gets his 2018 salary of $22 million.

[SoxHop]

Well, Hanley Ramirez still gets his 2018 salary of $22 million.

 

I get he get's this years money. There is no way he sees 22 mil next year though. For some reason I was just kind of trying to be in the head of someone who lost close to 20 million dollars from one call.

[mvp 78]

I get he get's this years money. There is no way he sees 22 mil next year though. For some reason I was just kind of trying to be in the head of someone who lost close to 20 million dollars from one call.

Yeah, he’s probably having a rough day.

[OH FOY]

Sox should try to Trade him and see if they could free any cash this year, by eating a ton of money. Might need it at Trade Deadline.

Edit: Cant Trading team might get Vesting Option. Catch 22, almost.

[jacksonianmarch]

Once he is released he is free to sign a totally new contract with another team. The current Sox contract option is null and void since he will not be getting the necessary PAs with the team.

 

No, he isn't. Once released, he signs for the prorated portion of the big league minimum and that amount is all that goes off the sox books. Hanley can then sign something for 2019 to his hearts content

[illinoisredsox]

I get he get's this years money. There is no way he sees 22 mil next year though. For some reason I was just kind of trying to be in the head of someone who lost close to 20 million dollars from one call.

 

Well, don't feel TOO sorry for him; by the end of the year, he'll have been paid nearly $160 mil for his career.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I would think this means that Swihart will see some action at first, at least against tough lefties. Moreland is best if he doesn't play every day (maybe he plays 4-5x a week with Swihart 2x).

 

Or Nunez could play 1b against a lefty now that Pedroia has returned. Pedroia will probably get days off here and there but not against any lefties.

 

I also wonder if the Red Sox are thinking about using Pedroia in the DH spot from time to time. In that scenario, against a LHP, you would take Benintenti or Bradley out, put Martinez in LF, and you have opened up the DH spot for Pedroia. In this scenario, maybe you do play Swihart at 1b.

 

lineup Against LHP:

Betts: RF

Nunez 2b

Pedroia DH

Martinez LF

Bogaerts SS

Devers 3b

Swihart 1b

Vazquez C

Bradley CF

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox should try to Trade him and see if they could free any cash this year, by eating a ton of money. Might need it at Trade Deadline.

 

That wont happen. Whomever trades for him assumes the option for next year. There is nobody who deals for him at all

[SoxHop]

Well, don't feel TOO sorry for him; by the end of the year, he'll have been paid nearly $160 mil for his career.

 

I kind of wish they had that call on cadid camera or something. You guys are right though, he could have laughed it off and decided it was a Audi day instead of a Lamborghini day.

[illinoisredsox]

No, he isn't. Once released, he signs for the prorated portion of the big league minimum and that amount is all that goes off the sox books. Hanley can then sign something for 2019 to his hearts content

 

He'll be released from his contract in a week. Signing with another team is a new contract. He can't go play for another team unless he is under contract to them somehow. That agreement with the new team would almost certainly be for the major league minimum, and that would be prorated for the 2/3 of the season remaining.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

He will have a hard enough time finding a job in the majors for league minimum. The guy sucks. I can't picture a national league team having any interest in him. . . . Edited May 25, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[oldtimer]

That wont happen. Whomever trades for him assumes the option for next year. There is nobody who deals for him at all

 

If they trade for him yet he doesn't get his AB's needed to vest, do they have to pick up that part of the contract. That doesn't seem right.

[jacksonianmarch]

If they trade for him yet he doesn't get his AB's needed to vest, do they have to pick up that part of the contract. That doesn't seem right.

 

If you trade for a player, you assume that player AND his contract.

[SoxHop]

I don't see Moreland and Swi being what we end up with at first at the end of the season. It'll be great if we do and they succeed, but I'd bet against it.

[jacksonianmarch]

He'll be released from his contract in a week. Signing with another team is a new contract. He can't go play for another team unless he is under contract to them somehow. That agreement with the new team would almost certainly be for the major league minimum, and that would be prorated for the 2/3 of the season remaining.

 

Also, he couldn't make more than what he is owed. It's in the CBA. If the Mets came in and wanted to pay Hanley $4 mil for the rest of the year, the sox would only pay him a total of $18 mil. He cannot make more than the $22 mil he is set to make for 2018

[illinoisredsox]

If they trade for him yet he doesn't get his AB's needed to vest, do they have to pick up that part of the contract. That doesn't seem right.

 

If somebody trades for him, then they pick up all the terms of the contract (I would imaging any trade would include a large cash payment from Boston to the new team to pay the salary). Why would a team even part with a Grade B prospect and be on the hook for the option if they can just sign him in a week as a free agent for 2/3 of the major league minimum.

[jacksonianmarch]

If somebody trades for him, then they pick up all the terms of the contract (I would imaging any trade would include a large cash payment from Boston to the new team to pay the salary). Why would a team even part with a Grade B prospect and be on the hook for the option if they can just sign him in a week as a free agent for 2/3 of the major league minimum.

 

I think the idea for a trade was for salary relief and not to return a prospect. Heck, someone may pay $2 mil for Hanley and hope he returns to form, but that option looming kills any chance that happens. This contract dies in a week

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It feels great to have Hanley off this team, like the plague has been lifted. We don't have to worry about that option anymore and he wasn't helping the team this year. His loss means nothing. He has been a terrible player for 3 out of 4 years in Boston. He had one good year with the Red Sox--that was it.

[jacksonianmarch]

It feels great to have Hanley off this team, like the plague has been lifted. We don't have to worry about that option anymore and he wasn't helping the team this year. His loss means nothing. He has been a terrible player for 3 out of 4 years in Boston. He had one good year with the Red Sox--that was it.

 

His loss will be felt vs LH pitchers to some degree, but with JD, Betts and Bogey around, you should be able to get by. The only thing this does is hit your depth on the offensive side and it practically locks JBJ into the starting lineup. You're stuck with him now

[illinoisredsox]

Also, he couldn't make more than what he is owed. It's in the CBA. If the Mets came in and wanted to pay Hanley $4 mil for the rest of the year, the sox would only pay him a total of $18 mil. He cannot make more than the $22 mil he is set to make for 2018

 

That's the way I understand it. But either way, it's still a new contract, so any PAs he has from here forward are under the new contract. For the option to have kicked in, he needed 1050 PAs during the 2017-18 seasons. He got 748. It doesn't vest.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's the way I understand it. But either way, it's still a new contract, so any PAs he has from here forward are under the new contract. For the option to have kicked in, he needed 1050 PAs during the 2017-18 seasons. He got 748. It doesn't vest.

 

Correct. His next contract will be completely new and the old contract effectively dies without accrual of further PAs at the end of the season

[Station 13]

I don't see Moreland and Swi being what we end up with at first at the end of the season. It'll be great if we do and they succeed, but I'd bet against it.

 

1B is quite a waste land in baseball these days.

[jacksonianmarch]

1B is quite a waste land in baseball these days.

 

I don't think Swihart sees a game at 1b aside from getting Moreland rest or if Moreland gets hurt. I'd assume Swihart sees time in LF more than he sees time at 1b

[Emp9]

He must really like Swihart...

 

Or Brock Holt lol

 

???

[Fan_since_Boggs]

His loss will be felt vs LH pitchers to some degree, but with JD, Betts and Bogey around, you should be able to get by. The only thing this does is hit your depth on the offensive side and it practically locks JBJ into the starting lineup. You're stuck with him now

 

But there is no net loss in that, against lefties, Pedroia will be in the lineup instead of Hanley.

 

But I guess you could argue that if you keep Hanley, you keep his bat in the lineup against lefties along with Pedroia's bat. But then you are operating on the assumption that Hanley's numbers against lefties this year are something more than BABIP driven. He hasn't hit for power against lefties this year.

 

Even if you lose a little offense against lefties without Hanley, you gain in other ways: better baserunning, more flexibility defensively, better defense.

[Station 13]

I don't think Swihart sees a game at 1b aside from getting Moreland rest or if Moreland gets hurt. I'd assume Swihart sees time in LF more than he sees time at 1b

 

He should catch, he knows it more than OF/1B. Vazquez needs a kick in the ass for his plays this season.

[OH FOY]

Could never figure Hanley out. Last year stunk against Lefties, but career good. Play Left Field, then 1st, then DH, then whatever. Never a good fit here. Up and Down at the plate.

Too bad, time to move forward.

[Bellhorn04]

His loss will be felt vs LH pitchers to some degree, but with JD, Betts and Bogey around, you should be able to get by. The only thing this does is hit your depth on the offensive side and it practically locks JBJ into the starting lineup. You're stuck with him now

 

JBJ can still be removed from the lineup if they want.

 

LF-JDM

CF-Beni

RF-Betts

DH-Nunez or Pedroia

[mvp 78]

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