The all-ex-Red-Sox team

[moonslav59]

How about the All-Sox Drafted-first signing Team, including current Sox players?

 

C Vazquez/ Swihart

1B Anthony Rizzo/ (HRam DH)

2B Pedroia/ Lowrie

SS Bogaerts/ Jose Iglesias/ D Marrero

3B Devers/ Travis Shaw

LF Beni/ Daniel Nava

RF Betts/ Josh Reddick

CF JBJ/ Manuel Margot

DH HRam/ Moncada

 

SP1 Jon Lester

SP2 Anibel Sanchez

SP3 Velazquez

SP4 B Johnson

SP5 Masterson/ Montas/ Kopech

 

RP1 Maddox, P Light, Ben Taylor, N Ramirez, Walden

RP2 Workman

RP3 J Aro

RP4 Poyner

RP5 Barnes

Closer Wilson

 

 

[illinoisredsox]

How about the All-Sox Drafted-first signing Team, including current Sox players?

 

C Vazquez/ Swihart

1B Anthony Rizzo/ (HRam DH)

2B Pedroia/ Lowrie

SS Bogaerts/ Jose Iglesias/ D Marrero

3B Devers/ Travis Shaw

LF Beni/ Daniel Nava

RF Betts/ Josh Reddick

CF JBJ/ Manuel Margot

DH HRam/ Moncada

 

SP1 Jon Lester

SP2 Anibel Sanchez

SP3 Velazquez

SP4 B Johnson

SP5 Masterson/ Montas/ Kopech

 

RP1 Maddox, P Light, Ben Taylor, N Ramirez, Walden

RP2 Workman

RP3 J Aro

RP4 Poyner

RP5 Barnes

Closer Wilson

 

 

 

Seems to me Ellsbury needs to be in there somewhere. He certainly has had a better career than Nava, for example. And while Kopech has all the talent in the world, he has pitched 5 games above AA ball, none at the major league level.

Edited April 19, 2018 by illinoisredsox

[moonslav59]

Seems to me Ellsbury needs to be in there somewhere. He certainly has had a better career than Nava, for example. And while Kopech has all the talent in the world, he has pitched 5 games above AA ball, none at the major league level.

 

I wouldn't put Ellsbury over Nava on this year's best team.

 

Actually, Nava wouldn't make the 25 man roster anyways.

 

This is probably the 25:

 

C Vazquez/ Swihart

1B Anthony Rizzo

2B Pedroia

SS Bogaerts/ Jose Iglesias

3B Devers/ Travis Shaw

LF Beni

RF Betts/ Josh Reddick

CF JBJ/ Manuel Margot

DH HRam

 

SP1 Jon Lester

SP2 Anibel Sanchez

SP3 Velazquez

SP4 B Johnson

SP5 Montas

 

RP1 Maddox

RP2 N Ramirez

RP3 Workman

RP4 Poyner

RP5 Barnes

Closer Wilson

 

[Emp9]

So, Yoan Moncada last 3 games:

 

04-16: 1/3, SB

 

04-17: 2/4 R, (2-R) HR, 2RBI, SB

 

04-18: 2/7 3 R, (GS) HR, 4 RBI, SB

 

Is this kid starting to click or is it a fallacy?

[notin]

Many of these players weren't actually drafted. A trickier exercise might be too find the best team of active players drafted by Boston, and it could include those who didn't sign (like, say, Brandon Belt)...

[moonslav59]

Many of these players weren't actually drafted. A trickier exercise might be too find the best team of active players drafted by Boston, and it could include those who didn't sign (like, say, Brandon Belt)...

 

Charlie Blackmon

Yasmani Grandal

Brandon Belt

Alex Bregman

 

Am I missing anyone else important?

 

[Emp9]

So, Yoan Moncada last 3 games:

 

04-16: 1/3, SB

 

04-17: 2/4 R, (2-R) HR, 2RBI, SB

 

04-18: 2/7 3 R, (GS) HR, 4 RBI, SB

 

Is this kid starting to click or is it a fallacy?

 

 

One at a time, please. This topic clearly needs it’s own thread. Slow down

[Bellhorn04]

One at a time, please. This topic clearly needs it’s own thread. Slow down

 

Us stat-savvy fans are hesitant to touch 3-game samples.

 

My guess would be he's starting to click.

[kenmeister]

Many of these players weren't actually drafted. A trickier exercise might be too find the best team of active players drafted by Boston, and it could include those who didn't sign (like, say, Brandon Belt)...

 

The point of the thread is to say, "Well if the Red Sox had held onto so-and-so, they'd get this production instead"

[moonslav59]

The point of the thread is to say, "Well if the Red Sox had held onto so-and-so, they'd get this production instead"

 

The biggest "what if" to me is the Rizzo-AGon trade.

Edited April 19, 2018 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

The point of the thread is to say, "Well if the Red Sox had held onto so-and-so, they'd get this production instead"

 

I get it, but other points were made about other roster scenarios.

[Jasonbay44]

So, Yoan Moncada last 3 games:

 

04-16: 1/3, SB

 

04-17: 2/4 R, (2-R) HR, 2RBI, SB

 

04-18: 2/7 3 R, (GS) HR, 4 RBI, SB

 

Is this kid starting to click or is it a fallacy?

I mean he's a 22 year old 5 tool prospect with superstar potential, more than likely he's going to click and figure it out. I don't regret the Sale trade, regardless of what he does.

[kenmeister]

The biggest "what if" to me is the Rizzo-AGon trade.

 

I think they went with the wrong Adrian. They should have kept Adrian Beltre at 3rd and groomed Rizzo for 1st base. Of course they won the World Series in 2013 so I'm less concerned about moves made prior to that. The Travis Shaw for Thornburg trade, on the other hand, isn't looking so good right about now. But what really prompted the thread was Jed Lowrie's resurgence.

[moonslav59]

I think they went with the wrong Adrian. They should have kept Adrian Beltre at 3rd and groomed Rizzo for 1st base. Of course they won the World Series in 2013 so I'm less concerned about moves made prior to that. The Travis Shaw for Thornburg trade, on the other hand, isn't looking so good right about now. But what really prompted the thread was Jed Lowrie's resurgence.

 

AGon did help us dump Crawford and Beckett, but one has to think Rizzo would have done more.

 

I'd have loved to have kept Beltre, but we did get JBJ and Swihart as comp picks, so that lessens the hit a little bit.

 

The Shaw trade does not bother me that much. Sure, I'd undo it, but Shaw was not expected to do that well.

 

[kenmeister]

AGon did help us dump Crawford and Beckett, but one has to think Rizzo would have done more.

 

I'd have loved to have kept Beltre, but we did get JBJ and Swihart as comp picks, so that lessens the hit a little bit.

 

The Shaw trade does not bother me that much. Sure, I'd undo it, but Shaw was not expected to do that well.

 

 

I did not know that about JBJ and Swihart being Beltre's comp picks.

 

Honestly, I think the biggest shoulda-coulda for the Red Sox was not who they didn't keep, but who they didn't go after. There was this one offseason where Max Scherzer and Nelson Cruz were available, and they didn't even try for either of them.

[moonslav59]

I did not know that about JBJ and Swihart being Beltre's comp picks.

 

Honestly, I think the biggest shoulda-coulda for the Red Sox was not who they didn't keep, but who they didn't go after. There was this one offseason where Max Scherzer and Nelson Cruz were available, and they didn't even try for either of them.

 

Not many wanted Cruz due to his rep.

 

I'd have preferred Scherzer over Pablo & HRam, but I think the thought process was that so many top SP'ers were going to be on the market the following year (like Price) that upgrading the offense became the top priority that winter.

 

What a big swing and miss!

 

[Jasonbay44]

Not many wanted Cruz due to his rep.

 

I'd have preferred Scherzer over Pablo & HRam, but I think the thought process was that so many top SP'ers were going to be on the market the following year (like Price) that upgrading the offense became the top priority that winter.

 

What a big swing and miss!

 

Id rather have had anyone than Pablo. I wasn't happy when the signing was made, and after seeing him in Boston, I literally despise him.

[moonslav59]

Id rather have had anyone than Pablo. I wasn't happy when the signing was made, and after seeing him in Boston, I literally despise him.

 

I hated the Pablo signing as well. I had hoped HRam would play 3B.

 

I hated the CC signing most of all.

[notin]

Charlie Blackmon

Yasmani Grandal

Brandon Belt

Alex Bregman

 

Am I missing anyone else important?

 

 

Steven Pearce, Pedro Alvarez, Yan Gomes, Anthony Desclafini

[notin]

I hated the Pablo signing as well. I had hoped HRam would play 3B.

 

I hated the CC signing most of all.

 

I liked the Crawford signing. The guy was coming off an MVP year.

 

Hated the Sandoval signing from the first rumor...

[Slasher9]

I mean he's a 22 year old 5 tool prospect with superstar potential, more than likely he's going to click and figure it out. I don't regret the Sale trade, regardless of what he does.

 

My problem was the overpay for kimbrel and the Pom deal. Those players could have been used to land sale and we could still have yoan....

[Emp9]

I mean he's a 22 year old 5 tool prospect with superstar potential, more than likely he's going to click and figure it out. I don't regret the Sale trade, regardless of what he does.

 

Well, he has taken longer to develop than say ... Devers or Mookie or Beni. I was just curious if anyone thought he makes a nice leap towards that this year rather than next year. As far as the Sale trade (whick I didn’t mention)... not only did I like it. I damn near predicted it (not all the pieces) a month before it happened. It was the only real move to make that off season. But I don’t think we necessarily have to talk about that trade in order to talk about Moncada. Fantasy baseball sources have his Hard-Hit rate at 55.2%, second only to J.D. Martinez this season which is interesting. In a changing baseball world where Stike Outs don’t seem to matter anymore and Launch Angle popularity seems to keep growing, well.. I’ll just say it’s an interesting time. Probably the best time ever for a player like Moncada to ease into an MLB career considering his strike out rate. I’m still intrigued on how it’ll go for him. I feel like he’ll be Rougned Odor only with more SBs. Is that a good comparison?

[cp176]

I hope Moncada turns in to a super star. I enjoyed having a chance to see him in Portland. Have to say though that the trade for Sale was one for the Red Sox history books. I loved it then and I love it more today. Hard to overpay for one of the top pitchers in the game.

[kenmeister]

I liked the Crawford signing. The guy was coming off an MVP year.

 

Hated the Sandoval signing from the first rumor...

 

I remember looking at Sandoval's stats when they signed him, going down each year for the past 3 years. Still, I didn't expect him to be completely incapable of playing baseball (!)

 

Scherzer would have been awesome. Sigh...

[Bellhorn04]

I remember looking at Sandoval's stats when they signed him, going down each year for the past 3 years. Still, I didn't expect him to be completely incapable of playing baseball (!)

 

Scherzer would have been awesome. Sigh...

 

You can drive yourself batty with woulda shoulda couldas. They're pointless.

 

The way I look at is, since Henry bought the team the moves have mostly been great, and the mistakes have all been surmountable.

[notin]

The point of the thread is to say, "Well if the Red Sox had held onto so-and-so, they'd get this production instead"

 

Why? Is there something about this team that needs changing?

 

The Sox have scored the most runs in MLB, are hitting for the highest average in MLB, have the second lowest ERA in MLB, and have committed the fewest errors on MLB. Any reason for hindsight-based improvements?

[mvp 78]

I think they went with the wrong Adrian. They should have kept Adrian Beltre at 3rd and groomed Rizzo for 1st base. Of course they won the World Series in 2013 so I'm less concerned about moves made prior to that. The Travis Shaw for Thornburg trade, on the other hand, isn't looking so good right about now. But what really prompted the thread was Jed Lowrie's resurgence.

 

Jed Lowrie has struggled to stay healthy his entire career. He's not a guy you pencil in for a full time role.

[moonslav59]

Jed Lowrie has struggled to stay healthy his entire career. He's not a guy you pencil in for a full time role.

 

He will crash down to earth at some point.

[moonslav59]

But what really prompted the thread was Jed Lowrie's resurgence.

 

I could understand pining for Rizzo or Beltre and maybe someday Moncada or Margot, but Jed Freakin' Lowrie?

 

I'd rather have Devers, Bogey, Pedey & Nunez.

[mvp 78]

My problem was the overpay for kimbrel and the Pom deal. Those players could have been used to land sale and we could still have yoan....

 

Espinoza might not have passed a physical to be included in the Sale trade.

 

With how things have turned out, the only deal that DD got wrong was Thornburg, but no one complained about that deal when it was made.

 

Yoan is striking out at a ridiculous rate. I'm not sure he'd be a good fit on this team.