A Sox dilemma in the making?

[Bellhorn04]

just in time to make room for X-bo.

good timing. saves him the embarrassment.....

 

Huh? You think Holt would have been sent down?

[moonslav59]

Huh? You think Holt would have been sent down?

 

Even I would not have sent Holt down.

 

(Note: I believe in hot streaks.)

[Maxbialystock]

Even I would not have sent Holt down.

 

(Note: I believe in hot streaks.)

 

I am the original anti-Holt, and I would not send him down right now because his hitting is amazingly good. You gotta keep a hot bat.

[moonslav59]

I am the original anti-Holt, and I would not send him down right now because his hitting is amazingly good. You gotta keep a hot bat.

 

I wanted to trade Holt the second he got named to the all star game?

 

How 'bout chew?

[mvp 78]

@IanMBrowne

 

As was somewhat expected, Brock Holt (left hamstring) to the DL to make room for the activation of Xander Bogaerts.

[Kimmi]

If Holt has pulled his hamstring, the dilemma is temporarily solved in that hamstrings can take 6 weeks to heal for a severe one. I feel sorry for Holt as he was turning in a nice performance with the bat of late. Some guys are just unlucky> Perhaps with modern training the hamstrings can come along quicker or perhaps it is not a severe pull he suffered.

 

Brock just hasn't been able to catch a break lately, injury wise.

 

His injury does temporarily solve our roster crunch.

[cp176]

There are varying degrees of strains. A popping feeling in the hamstring is not always a tear, but it is usually a very debilitating strain. The way that Holt was moving around after the play and how he was trying to stretch it out, I would think that it is a mild strain. Even mild strains can take a 10 day DL to heal.

 

Have to say that in Holt's case if it is a hamstring strain, it very well might have something to do with his fitness level.

[a700hitter]

Have to say that in Holt's case if it is a hamstring strain, it very well might have something to do with his fitness level.

I think that he had been on base too often the last several games and he blew out a tire.

[Spudboy]

Have to say that in Holt's case if it is a hamstring strain, it very well might have something to do with his fitness level.

 

I can't speak to his fitness level. He may be in excellent shape but his shape is bloated by that Perelli he is carrying.

 

Just look at the photo of him being removed from the game.

 

He looks like Cool Hand Luke.

[oldtimer]

I can't speak to his fitness level. He may be in excellent shape but his shape is bloated by that Perelli he is carrying.

 

Just look at the photo of him being removed from the game.

 

He looks like Cool Hand Luke.

 

Now its Betts leaving the game with a tight hamstring. I doubt if he is out of shape.Will we ever miss him if he has to sit out. Come to think of it, he has rested already this season.

[cp176]

I think that he had been on base too often the last several games and he blew out a tire.

 

So you think it was a flat tire or a fat tire? (that is just a joke between us guys for all of you super sensitive folk who might be totally stunned that someone might ever question the fitness level of these incredibly talented professional athletes.)

[cp176]

I can't speak to his fitness level. He may be in excellent shape but his shape is bloated by that Perelli he is carrying.

 

Just look at the photo of him being removed from the game.

 

He looks like Cool Hand Luke.

 

Do you think that we might have a "failure to communicate" on this board these daze? Eat them eggs Luke!

[moonslav59]

Cool Hand Luke was an alltime great movie.

[a700hitter]

So you think it was a flat tire or a fat tire? (that is just a joke between us guys for all of you super sensitive folk who might be totally stunned that someone might ever question the fitness level of these incredibly talented professional athletes.)

Running the bases in cleats is harder on the legs than other types of running. If you are a marathon runner and try putting on cleats to run bases, you will cramp or strain something. Early on in seasons, I have observed that guys get hurt when they get a short red hot steak and find themselves on the bases 3 or more times a game for 3 or 4 games in a row after having been cold or slumping. They cramp up, pull something or experience leg fatigue. Their legs are not fully game ready. Betts went out tonight after being on base 5 of the last 6 ABs, including 3 doubles and 3 runs scored. Holt was hotter than he has been in 3 years. Before he cramped up, he had gone 7 for 8 and 3 doubles. Wilson Ramos raised his batting average from .246 to .308 in the last 4 games and he left tonight's game with leg fatigue. I guess they got too hot too suddenly early in the season for their own good. LOL!

[moonslav59]

Running the bases in cleats is harder on the legs than other types of running. If you are a marathon runner and try putting on cleats to run bases, you will cramp or strain something. Early on in seasons, I have observed that guys get hurt when they get a short red hot steak and find themselves on the bases 3 or more times a game for 3 or 4 games in a row after having been cold or slumping. They cramp up, pull something or experience leg fatigue. Their legs are not fully game ready. Betts went out tonight after being on base 5 of the last 6 ABs, including 3 doubles and 3 runs scored. Holt was hotter than he has been in 3 years. Before he cramped up, he had gone 7 for 8 and 3 doubles. Wilson Ramos raised his batting average from .246 to .308 in the last 4 games and he left tonight's game with leg fatigue. I guess they got too hot too suddenly early in the season for their own good. LOL!

 

Interesting observation. It sounds like you are on to something. I never liked wearing cleats, and always wondered why nobody had invented anything better.

[SoxHop]

I'm not sure why we aren't considering that Holt is pregnant. Cramps, bloating, looks like he is a few months pregnant. Maybe he's knocked up...

[moonslav59]

I'm not sure why we aren't considering that Holt is pregnant. Cramps, bloating, looks like he is a few months pregnant. Maybe he's knocked up...

 

Loved the girlee hairdoo, too.

[devildavid]

Running the bases in cleats is harder on the legs than other types of running. If you are a marathon runner and try putting on cleats to run bases, you will cramp or strain something. Early on in seasons, I have observed that guys get hurt when they get a short red hot steak and find themselves on the bases 3 or more times a game for 3 or 4 games in a row after having been cold or slumping. They cramp up, pull something or experience leg fatigue. Their legs are not fully game ready. Betts went out tonight after being on base 5 of the last 6 ABs, including 3 doubles and 3 runs scored. Holt was hotter than he has been in 3 years. Before he cramped up, he had gone 7 for 8 and 3 doubles. Wilson Ramos raised his batting average from .246 to .308 in the last 4 games and he left tonight's game with leg fatigue. I guess they got too hot too suddenly early in the season for their own good. LOL!

 

Excellent post. Running the bases is tough on the legs. There is a good reason that these type of injuries are common in baseball.

[jung]

I'm not sure why we aren't considering that Holt is pregnant. Cramps, bloating, looks like he is a few months pregnant. Maybe he's knocked up...

 

I think my first post of this actual season noted how much both Beni and Holt had "filled out" this off season. But you could the case that Beni would fill out as he got older anyway and that Holt needed some added bulk. He has been far too frail early in his career. Not sure if it was a factor in his hammy. Mookie looks as soiid as ever and Mookie has.........a hammy I think.

 

Maybe they need more pre-game flexibility and stretching and more liquids during the games themselves.

[devildavid]

So you think it was a flat tire or a fat tire? (that is just a joke between us guys for all of you super sensitive folk who might be totally stunned that someone might ever question the fitness level of these incredibly talented professional athletes.)

 

See John Kruk about the difference between an athlete and a baseball player.

[Spudboy]

There have been plenty of seasons where we thought we had good pitching depth.

 

Then suddenly, we're looking at the likes of Sean O'Sullivan.

 

You can never have enough pitching.

 

Yup. And to be clear, people like Kimmi and myself who have lobbied for additional MiLB pitching depth did so not because we suspected Johnson and Velazquez would perform

 

poorly. We just have felt that history has shown that even more depth is needed.

 

I ma confident that DD knew this and was looking for the right guys to sign for this role and did not find them.

[OH FOY]

Leg fatigue in baseball compared to any sport is funny.

[SoxHop]

I think my first post of this actual season noted how much both Beni and Holt had "filled out" this off season. But you could the case that Beni would fill out as he got older anyway and that Holt needed some added bulk. He has been far too frail early in his career. Not sure if it was a factor in his hammy. Mookie looks as soiid as ever and Mookie has.........a hammy I think.

 

Maybe they need more pre-game flexibility and stretching and more liquids during the games themselves.

 

I'm torn. I would think it would be maybe more needed stretching. But my guess is that the team makes the players stretch out extensively. It's nothing new nowadays to know that to keep a player on the field they would need a good stretching routine. I'm guessing, but I woulld think the Sox coaches monitor that.

 

Personally Holt looks good to me. Looks like he added some weight and some of it muscle. Gaining some fat with muscle pretty much comes with the territory. And I beleive most of these guys lose weight during the season.

 

You know the crazy part of this. During the first few games one announcer mentioned Benni put on 15 pounds. A human only can add at most about 2 pounds of muscle a month. Say he had 5 months of off season, gained 10 pounds of muscle, 6 pounds of fat.

[SoxHop]

See John Kruk about the difference between an athlete and a baseball player.

 

That's a good one. There was another quote by a player that played two sports, and they asked him why he didn't play baseball or move to playing baseball. And he said something like he didn't have the will power to get fat enough or something like that.......

[Sox75]

Having played a lot of baseball, I can tell you that leg training has historically been neglected in this sport. i was lucky enough to also play a LOT of soccer & hockey, so I didn't have the same leg fatigue & leg injuries other guys who played primarily baseball had. No idea about the mlb, but in baseball, they often stressed strength, stretching, and burst sprint running. Not good enough. Those who don't do consistent 'distance' running, along with all the other, are almost guaranteed to have repetitive fatigue issues. Baseball guys in general don't like distance running. That is a gross generalization, but it is far too common. That is a huge mistake for any guy. Especially those who rely on speed. The big guys too. Too many pull hammies on that sprint to 1st, or even when turning on the boosters to beat a play at any other base.

 

As for Mookie? I have no idea what his training is like.

[oldtimer]

Having played a lot of baseball, I can tell you that leg training has historically been neglected in this sport. i was lucky enough to also play a LOT of soccer & hockey, so I didn't have the same leg fatigue & leg injuries other guys who played primarily baseball had. No idea about the mlb, but in baseball, they often stressed strength, stretching, and burst sprint running. Not good enough. Those who don't do consistent 'distance' running, along with all the other, are almost guaranteed to have repetitive fatigue issues. Baseball guys in general don't like distance running. That is a gross generalization, but it is far too common. That is a huge mistake for any guy. Especially those who rely on speed. The big guys too. Too many pull hammies on that sprint to 1st, or even when turning on the boosters to beat a play at any other base.

 

As for Mookie? I have no idea what his training is like.

 

Being an old guy playing softball competitively 2 or 3 days a week, year round, I see quite a few hamstring injuries but haven't had one myself. Typical the injury occurs when taking the first step from the plate or when stretching out of the last step to beat a throw. One is accelerating quickly and the other is an awkward movement.

[jad]

Being an old guy playing softball competitively 2 or 3 days a week, year round, I see quite a few hamstring injuries but haven't had one myself. Typical the injury occurs when taking the first step from the plate or when stretching out of the last step to beat a throw. One is accelerating quickly and the other is an awkward movement.

 

Stretching is b.s., unless you need to stretch (you're a ballet dancer), or you just woke up (like a dog).

 

But we could probably have a debate about that, filled with self-laudatory anecdotes and condescending claims that everyone who disagrees with us is a fatso, or a moron, or has questionable sexual preferences.

[Sox75]

Stretching is b.s., unless you need to stretch (you're a ballet dancer), or you just woke up (like a dog).

 

But we could probably have a debate about that, filled with self-laudatory anecdotes and condescending claims that everyone who disagrees with us is a fatso, or a moron, or has questionable sexual preferences.

 

WTF???? LOL :0 I haven't a clue what that was about, but :0 it got me laughing???

 

Do tell?

[Sox75]

Ok .... I for one cop to the "questionable sexual practices." I think they'Re still illegal in 8 or so states, but my wife makes me do it. Sure, I like it, but could likely get off of any serious time served with the, "she made me do it" defense? Plus, they are suckers for the whole -"she ate the god damned apple" thing.

[jung]

One thing for certain.....If you really want a laugh, go early enough to a game to watch the pre-game workouts. Stretching...I am not sure a single muscle gets stretched during those things. Running....what should be a slow jog working up to at least one solid run at the end usually works out to be a barely moving jog at the end. If you pulled one of their legs out to an actual stretch, I think you could snap the thing off. Let just say it is light and leave it at that. Too much just sitting in the dugout also during the game interspersed with trips down to the buffet in the clubhouse.

 

David Ortiz did it right for what was really an entire career. But I will bet money that many of his teammates looked at David like he had four heads.