4/11 vs Yankees

[mvp 78]

Once again as does happen from time to time, in an effort to keep everyone safe, a rule was created that might tend to cause even more harm. If a runner wants to break up a double play, what is he supposed to do. This rule if not enforced may even encourage more runners to go into bases this way. On the other hand, if middle infielders feel protected from take out slides will they continue to be taught how to get the hell out of the way when a guy is bearing down on them. I'm not in favor of doing anything that intentionally hurts anyone but you can't have a rule for everything I'm afraid.

 

Don't break up double plays.

[mvp 78]

@ByChrisMason

 

Mookie Betts told me he’s got a plan if the Yankees throw back at him: “Take my base and go score a run. I think a loss would hurt a little more than however hard the ball is coming.”

 

Mookie is just the bestest!

[harmony]

I should have written attempted review because the umpires got as far as putting on the headphones. Mea culpa. At any rate, to date we have no official finding whether slide was legal or illegal.

 

Is the second baseman fair game for abuse if he fails to make a throw? Is anything legal by the runner if the infielder does not make the throw?

 

I joined this discussion because I frown upon a pitcher deliberately hitting a batter with a baseball at high speed. On some level I regret being drawn into the discussion regarding Tyler Austin's slide.

 

The sad thing is that Austin's likely suspension may reference only his charging of the mound and subsequent behavior. If Joe Kelly had not beaned Austin, MLB could have focused on the propriety of Austin's slide ... or not.

 

I hope this healthy discussion left no one with bad feelings.

[Station 13]

How is this NOT dirty?

https://imgur.com/qetpM7W

[mvp 78]

I should have written attempted review because the umpires got as far as putting on the headphones. Mea culpa. At any rate, to date we have no official finding whether slide was legal or illegal.

 

Is the second baseman fair game for abuse if he fails to make a throw? Is anything legal by the runner if the infielder does not make the throw?

 

I joined this discussion because I frown upon a pitcher deliberately hitting a batter with a baseball at high speed. On some level I regret being drawn into the discussion regarding Tyler Austin's slide.

 

The sad thing is that Austin's likely suspension may reference only his charging of the mound and subsequent behavior. If Joe Kelly had not beaned Austin, MLB could have focused on the propriety of Austin's slide ... or not.

 

I hope this healthy discussion left no one with bad feelings.

 

You're good. The vast majority of us are completely reasonable human beings.

[harmony]

How is this NOT dirty?

https://imgur.com/qetpM7W

Perhaps it's all relative:

 

[FredLynn]

When a player slides on his butt where do his spikes belong?

 

Away from the second baseman. Pretty simple. Bush league play, and Austin deserved to be hit by Kelly where he was hit.

[mvp 78]

Perhaps it's all relative:

 

 

Wrong is wrong.

[harmony]

Wrong is wrong.

Is that in reference to Tyler Austin or Joe Kelly? Or both?

 

Yankee fans may have a different opinion:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/138017-Team-Hero-April-11th-2018-Red-Sox

[mvp 78]

@EvanDrellich

 

Discipline/suspensions for Red Sox Yankees may come later today, source says. Suspensions are in effect the day they are handed down, but everyone can appeal and therefore stay the suspension. So tonight's game probably unaffected

[mvp 78]

Is that in reference to Tyler Austin or Joe Kelly? Or both?

 

Yankee fans may have a different opinion:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/138017-Team-Hero-April-11th-2018-Red-Sox

 

1. Both actions were dumb.

 

2. If MLB gets rid of takeout slides, hitting opposing batters would be less likely.

 

3. Yankees fans can be just as dumb as Sox fans.

[Station 13]

Perhaps it's all relative:

 

 

whether you think it is or not, Austin was going to get thrown at. You don't slide in with spike up and make contact and get away free. The heat here was Austin taking it like a bitch.

[bkzwhitestrican]

 

3. Yankees fans can be just as dumb as sox fans.

 

we is not, yous da dum sux!!!1

[Bellhorn04]

we is not, yous da dum sux!!!1

 

You are a rare breed, man, a Yankee fan with a sense of humor.

[harmony]

whether you think it is or not, Austin was going to get thrown at. You don't slide in with spike up and make contact and get away free. The heat here was Austin taking it like a bitch.

And a middle infielder can expect a runner approaching second base to try to break up a potential double play.

[Bellhorn04]

And a middle infielder can expect a runner approaching second base to try to break up a potential double play.

 

Can expect them to do it cleanly and legally, is what I'm sure you're trying to say.

[harmony]

Can expect them to do it cleanly and legally, is what I'm sure you're trying to say.

And how does a pitcher retaliate cleanly and legally by intentionally plunking a batter?

[Bellhorn04]

And how does a pitcher retaliate cleanly and legally by intentionally plunking a batter?

 

Such retaliation has been part of the game forever, as you know. The general consensus among players who have spoken on the subject seems to be that if you hit the guy in the back it's 'the right way'. Even Kimmi advocates this, I think.

[Spudboy]

I am going to call you on that BS Harmony....Austin intentionally spiked Holt. Not sure if you didn't see the game or what there, but he had his left leg elevated to just below the knee and pointed right at Holt, who was off the bag at the time. It was an intentional Bush league play and I am surprised Holt didn't clock him right then and there.

 

Call me a homer but this is one case where "the eye test" is clearly important. There are no stats that support the idea that Austin's slide was anything but a deliberate attempt to interfere ( in this case spike ) with Holt.

 

I've seen the replay 10 or so times from a variety of angles. From the back or from the front camera views parallel to the runner both show ( in slow motion ) Austin lifting his leg and moving toward Holt's leg.

 

I don't know what was reviewed beyond weather the Sox were attempting the DP.

 

The umps or MLB in New York f***ed this one up.

 

I'd like to see Austin pull that s*** with Psycho Machollo. You know. Someone close to his size and just as f***ed in the head.

 

Holt demonstrated a lot of self control.

[harmony]

Such retaliation has been part of the game forever, as you know. The general consensus among players who have spoken on the subject seems to be that if you hit the guy in the back it's 'the right way'. Even Kimmi advocates this, I think.

Yes, but is it legal?

 

Apparently not:

 

MLB suspends Joe Kelly, Tyler Austin

WWW.MLB.COM

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BOSTON -- Major League Baseball wasted no time issuing discipline from Wednesday's Red Sox-Yankees melee, handing a six-game suspension to Boston righty Joe Kelly and a five-game suspension to New York infielder Christopher Austin.Both players have appealed their suspensions, meaning they are available for Thursday's rubber match of the three-game

 

Edited April 12, 2018 by harmony

[Station 13]

And how does a pitcher retaliate cleanly and legally by intentionally plunking a batter?

 

it isn't right, wrong. You cleat somebody you can expect a ball at you. Part of the game. Charging the mound was cheap as f*** from Austin. He knew he made a mistake, he paid for it, but he WANTS to get even by storming the mound. Can't have it both way, Austin.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Station 13

[Spudboy]

I posted a link to the MLB.com page that included the video.

 

I've seen high slides. That was not a high slide. If anything, Brock Holt's right foot lifted Tyler Austin's left foot up and away from the bag. At :22.

 

This post is a product of our times.

[Spudboy]

When a player slides on his butt where do his spikes belong?

 

Are you really so dense as to ask this question?

 

Maybe it's just condescension?

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, but is it legal?

 

Apparently not:

 

 

It appears the two players were judged to be about equally wrong, doesn't it?

[Spudboy]

Me thinks that this post was so good that harmony is intentionally ignoring your valid points.

 

Harmony sounds like a White House spokesperson.

[Spudboy]

Ive been spiked at second base. Saying that Holt over reacted to being spiked on a slide where the lead league did not come close to touching the bag, causes you to lose credibility here with me. Most of us here, although I think that is becoming more and more obvious that some did not, have actually played the game and have been coached. Some of us here have coached. If you honestly think that the position of Austin's foot was where it should be then I'm sorry but you don't know nearly as much about the game of baseball as you try to make people believe you do. Austin probably is a fairly lucky guy because if the rule had not been changed the method of defense used the next time he slid into second base possibly would have seen him catching a ball squarely in his face. Old School I guess in this day and age but it worked.

 

lol.

 

Well said old dude!

[harmony]

It appears the two players were judged to be about equally wrong, doesn't it?

A five-game suspension for a position player who has appeared in 10 games is harsher than a six-game suspension for a reliever who has appeared in five games.

 

From what I've read so far, Tyler Austin was disciplined for charging the mound and fighting, not for his slide. But I may not have all the information.

[harmony]

Harmony sounds like a White House spokesperson.

Now that's insulting.

[cp176]

1. Both actions were dumb.

 

2. If MLB gets rid of takeout slides, hitting opposing batters would be less likely.

 

3. Yankees fans can be just as dumb as Sox fans.

 

 

A takeout slide is or was a lot different then going in to any base spikes up. If the rule allows for a baserunner to go across the bag spikes up no matter where he is or where the second baseman is located it is a s***** rule. It does happen for sure but it isn't supposed to. I will say though that a real takeout slide as in body to body contact can cripple a player just as easily. I'm not familiar with anyone anywhere who teaches sliding which all coaches do who teaches spikes up at any player. Those spikes that were showing when he slid are supposed to hit the goddamned bag. Maybe the base is to big a target for that moron if he thinks that his slide wasn't dirty. As much as people on both sides want to whine about what happened last night there has to be some sort of retaliation for that s***. Now if he is trying a hook slide , which he wasn't, different story. A hook slide would have had that lead leg a lot closer to the mound and a lot farther away from Holt. Anyone who thinks that slide was ok is a moron. I'm on a rant but it does piss me off. Now MVP - you know that I'm not talking about you because you get it.

[Spudboy]

You are a rare breed, man, a Yankee fan with a sense of humor.

 

Yup.