4/11 vs Yankees

[FredLynn]

Brock Holt overreacted to Tyler Austin's slide and Austin overreacted to to Holt's overreaction. It all went downhill from there.

 

Still, plunking a batter with a 97.7 mph fastball is no courageous feat regardless of the unwritten rules.

 

I am going to call you on that BS Harmony....Austin intentionally spiked Holt. Not sure if you didn't see the game or what there, but he had his left leg elevated to just below the knee and pointed right at Holt, who was off the bag at the time. It was an intentional Bush league play and I am surprised Holt didn't clock him right then and there.

[illinoisredsox]

I am going to call you on that BS Harmony....Austin intentionally spiked Holt. Not sure if you didn't see the game or what there, but he had his left leg elevated to just below the knee and pointed right at Holt, who was off the bag at the time. It was an intentional Bush league play and I am surprised Holt didn't clock him right then and there.

 

Holt is 5'10" 180, Austin is 6'2 220. Holt may be a mediocre player, but he's not stupid.

[a700hitter]

Holt is 5'10" 180, Austin is 6'2 220. Holt may be a mediocre player, but he's not stupid.

And Holt is a major leaguer. Austin is strictly Bush league.

[S5Dewey]

Brock Holt overreacted to Tyler Austin's slide and Austin overreacted to to Holt's overreaction. It all went downhill from there.

 

Still, plunking a batter with a 97.7 mph fastball is no courageous feat regardless of the unwritten rules.

 

You really need to watch the video before posting crap like that.

 

 

Look about 20 seconds into the video. Austin came at the base spikes up and even chased Holt's leg significantly to the inside of the bag in his attempt to "get to the base" where he clipped (in Jerry's words) Holt's leg.

After the play Holt said something to Austin at which point Austin took steps toward Holt until there was barely room for the umpire to intervene between the two. Austin was clearly the aggressor, both in the slide and in the confrontation that took place afterward.

 

Everything that happened afterward, including Kelly's "inside pitch" to Austin later in the game would have been avoided if Austin had played a clean game.

[a700hitter]

You really need to watch the video before posting crap like that.

 

 

Look about 20 seconds into the video. Austin came at the base spikes up and even chased Holt's leg significantly to the inside of the bag in his attempt to "get to the base" where he clipped (in Jerry's words) Holt's leg.

After the play Holt said something to Austin at which point Austin took steps toward Holt until there was barely room for the umpire to intervene between the two. Austin was clearly the aggressor, both in the slide and in the confrontation that took place afterward.

 

Everything that happened afterward, including Kelly's "inside pitch" to Austin later in the game would have been avoided if Austin had played a clean game.

Austin's suspension should be significantly longer than Kelly's for his role in the dirty slide in addition to his role in the brawl, punching a coach in the face.

[harmony]

You really need to watch the video before posting crap like that.

 

 

Look about 20 seconds into the video. Austin came at the base spikes up and even chased Holt's leg significantly to the inside of the bag in his attempt to "get to the base" where he clipped (in Jerry's words) Holt's leg.

After the play Holt said something to Austin at which point Austin took steps toward Holt until there was barely room for the umpire to intervene between the two. Austin was clearly the aggressor, both in the slide and in the confrontation that took place afterward.

 

Everything that happened afterward, including Kelly's "inside pitch" to Austin later in the game would have been avoided if Austin had played a clean game.

I posted a link to the MLB.com page that included the video.

 

I've seen high slides. That was not a high slide. If anything, Brock Holt's right foot lifted Tyler Austin's left foot up and away from the bag. At :22.

[illinoisredsox]

I posted a link to the MLB.com page that included the video.

 

I've seen high slides. That was not a high slide. If anything, Brock Holt's right foot lifted Tyler Austin's left foot up and away from the bag. At :22.

 

No matter how you want to parse it, Austin went in spikes up. That's a no-no. Reynolds said as much in the postgame show, and he was putting at least part of the blame on Holt. And even the audio from your clip (featuring Yankee announcers) made reference to "the high spikes part" being taken care of on the field (as it was).

 

Me thinks you would be singing a different tune if that was Cano taking that throw.

[S5Dewey]

I posted a link to the MLB.com page that included the video.

 

I've seen high slides. That was not a high slide. If anything, Brock Holt's right foot lifted Tyler Austin's left foot up and away from the bag. At :22.

 

I've seen high slides too, and that was another one last night. Now would you also like to explain to me how Austin's spikes innocently got tangled up in Holt's uniform when Austin's spikes were clearly at least a foot toward the pitchers mound from the bag?

 

Yes, It was all Holt's fault. In fact, if you look closely you can even see a leash from around Austin's waist to Holt's hand that Holt used to pull Austin toward him after the spiking.

 

Maybe the biggest joke of the day is what Austin said in the postgame interview when he said he went "over the bag". Yes, his ass went over the bag but his spikes that struck Holt were well toward the pitcher's mound. Obviously credibility isn't a big deal with the Yankees.

[mvp 78]

No matter how you want to parse it, Austin went in spikes up. That's a no-no. Reynolds said as much in the postgame show, and he was putting at least part of the blame on Holt. And even the audio from your clip (featuring Yankee announcers) made reference to "the high spikes part" being taken care of on the field (as it was).

 

Me thinks you would be singing a different tune if that was Cano taking that throw.

 

Nah. Knowing Mariners fans, they're just as miserable towards their own team.

[mvp 78]

I've seen high slides too, and that was another one last night. Now would you also like to explain to me how Austin's spikes innocently got tangled up in Holt's uniform when Austin's spikes were clearly at least a foot toward the pitchers mound from the bag?

 

Yes, It was all Holt's fault. In fact, if you look closely you can even see a leash from around Austin's waist to Holt's hand that Holt used to pull Austin toward him after the spiking.

 

Maybe the biggest joke of the day is what Austin said in the postgame interview when he said he went "over the bag". Yes, his ass went over the bag but his spikes that struck Holt were well toward the pitcher's mound. Obviously credibility isn't a big deal with the Yankees.

 

You can go over the bag, but you can no longer slide past the bag. It was an illegal slide.

[mvp 78]

Austin's suspension should be significantly longer than Kelly's for his role in the dirty slide in addition to his role in the brawl, punching a coach in the face.

 

Yup, that punch is going to get him a harsher suspension most likely.

[harmony]

No matter how you want to parse it, Austin went in spikes up. That's a no-no. Reynolds said as much in the postgame show, and he was putting at least part of the blame on Holt. And even the audio from your clip (featuring Yankee announcers) made reference to "the high spikes part" being taken care of on the field (as it was).

 

Me thinks you would be singing a different tune if that was Cano taking that throw.

When a player slides on his butt where do his spikes belong?

[mvp 78]

Actually, MLB did not rule anything on the slide. Since Holt made no attempt to complete the DP, they said it was not reviewable. Telling was what the ump said to Cora, "my advice is next time have him throw the ball" or words to that effect (the my advice was definitely there). Tells me it would have been ruled illegal had a throw attempt been made. MLB network played the audio after the inning.

 

Me thinks that this post was so good that harmony is intentionally ignoring your valid points.

[cp176]

Brock Holt overreacted to Tyler Austin's slide and Austin overreacted to to Holt's overreaction. It all went downhill from there.

 

Still, plunking a batter with a 97.7 mph fastball is no courageous feat regardless of the unwritten rules.

 

Ive been spiked at second base. Saying that Holt over reacted to being spiked on a slide where the lead league did not come close to touching the bag, causes you to lose credibility here with me. Most of us here, although I think that is becoming more and more obvious that some did not, have actually played the game and have been coached. Some of us here have coached. If you honestly think that the position of Austin's foot was where it should be then I'm sorry but you don't know nearly as much about the game of baseball as you try to make people believe you do. Austin probably is a fairly lucky guy because if the rule had not been changed the method of defense used the next time he slid into second base possibly would have seen him catching a ball squarely in his face. Old School I guess in this day and age but it worked.

[harmony]

No matter how you want to parse it, Austin went in spikes up. That's a no-no. Reynolds said as much in the postgame show, and he was putting at least part of the blame on Holt. And even the audio from your clip (featuring Yankee announcers) made reference to "the high spikes part" being taken care of on the field (as it was).

 

Me thinks you would be singing a different tune if that was Cano taking that throw.

That's interesting.

 

Up until this point I've resisted the temptation to point to the bias of Red Sox fans.

[cp176]

When a player slides on his butt where do his spikes belong?

 

 

It's supposed to be a pop up slide. Lead foot hits the bag momentum allows you to pop up. Believe it or not you just aren't supposed to slide through the bag with your spikes up.

[harmony]

Me thinks that this post was so good that harmony is intentionally ignoring your valid points.

illinoisredsox merely confirmed what I wrote: "The review found nothing illegal in Tyler Austin's slide."

Edited April 12, 2018 by harmony

[harmony]

Ive been spiked at second base. Saying that Holt over reacted to being spiked on a slide where the lead league did not come close to touching the bag, causes you to lose credibility here with me. Most of us here, although I think that is becoming more and more obvious that some did not, have actually played the game and have been coached. Some of us here have coached. If you honestly think that the position of Austin's foot was where it should be then I'm sorry but you don't know nearly as much about the game of baseball as you try to make people believe you do. Austin probably is a fairly lucky guy because if the rule had not been changed the method of defense used the next time he slid into second base possibly would have seen him catching a ball squarely in his face. Old School I guess in this day and age but it worked.

Brock Holt called it a bad slide, but afterward said: "I probably said something I shouldn’t have to start the whole thing, so I’m sorry for that."

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/04/12/here-what-key-figures-red-sox-yankees-brawl-had-say/KajPcW2Q26k0E5iUoFG2pJ/story.html?et_rid=1739401789&s_campaign=108stitches:newsletter

[mvp 78]

illinoisredsox merely confirmed what I wrote: "The review found nothing illegal in Tyler Austin's slide."

 

There was no review performed tho?

[illinoisredsox]

illinoisredsox merely confirmed what I wrote: "The review found nothing illegal in Tyler Austin's slide."

 

Try rereading. I said that MLB said the play was nonreviewable because Holt did not attempt to complete the DP, so they couldn't make a judgement on it. I said that the umps basically told Cora that next time have him throw the ball.

 

And where the spikes were/weren't only is part of the illegality of the slide. The current rules also say you have to be able to maintain contact with the base after the slide. It's why you see guys grabbing the bag as they go by. Austin ends up 2-3 feet beyond the bas with no way to stay in contact; that alone makes it illegal, and that rule has been in place for several years.

[cp176]

Brock Holt called it a bad slide, but afterward said: "I probably said something I shouldn’t have to start the whole thing, so I’m sorry for that."

 

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/04/12/here-what-key-figures-red-sox-yankees-brawl-had-say/KajPcW2Q26k0E5iUoFG2pJ/story.html?et_rid=1739401789&s_campaign=108stitches:newsletter

 

What you think Brockie called him a bad name? What Brock Holt said has 0 to do with Austin's slide being dirty or not. Maybe you can teach me something about baseball here. I've told you why that slide was indeed a dirty slide. You get to tell me why it wasn't. the only justification I can think of for him coming into second this way would be : 1. He is stupid 2. He hasn't been taught how to slide - not likely but you never know or 3. He doesn't like the rule - I don't either so I'm ok with this one.

[cp176]

What you think Brockie called him a bad name? What Brock Holt said has 0 to do with Austin's slide being dirty or not. Maybe you can teach me something about baseball here. I've told you why that slide was indeed a dirty slide. You get to tell me why it wasn't. the only justification I can think of for him coming into second this way would be : 1. He is stupid 2. He hasn't been taught how to slide - not likely but you never know or 3. He doesn't like the rule - I don't either so I'm ok with this one.

 

 

Ok - the game has changed I get that - but that was a bent legged f***ing slide into second base and that type of slide is never intended to go over the bag.

[harmony]

What you think Brockie called him a bad name? What Brock Holt said has 0 to do with Austin's slide being dirty or not. Maybe you can teach me something about baseball here. I've told you why that slide was indeed a dirty slide. You get to tell me why it wasn't. the only justification I can think of for him coming into second this way would be : 1. He is stupid 2. He hasn't been taught how to slide - not likely but you never know or 3. He doesn't like the rule - I don't either so I'm ok with this one.

No need to be personal. Peace be with you, my friend.

[mvp 78]

Starting lineup is out. Who is making the game thread? Someone else's turn.

[S5Dewey]

illinoisredsox merely confirmed what I wrote: "The review found nothing illegal in Tyler Austin's slide."

 

Then maybe you know something about this that the umpires don't know, because the umpires told Cora that it's not reviewable. If there was no review it can't be said what the review found because the review didn't exist. Sheesh.

[cp176]

No need to be personal. Peace be with you, my friend.

 

I'm sensitive harmony don't go trying to make me feel bad. lol I know that you have been posting here for a while so I'm pretty sure that you know that I don't even register on the scale of personal attacks compared to many whom I will not name but certainly can. I've been the victim once or twice myself. I'm ok with you but I am still waiting for a real baseball person to tell me why my thinking about what the correct way to slide into any base is. Maybe I was wasting my time in the gym during pre-season teaching kids the various ways to slide into any base. Maybe it was just wrong info that I was giving out.

[S5Dewey]

No need to be personal. Peace be with you, my friend.

 

I didn't see anything personal in there. He's only looking for a clarification on the rule. Do you know more about that rule than he, as an ex-coach does? If so would you be willing to help him.. and all of us?

[mvp 78]

Then maybe you know something about this that the umpires don't know, because the umpires told Cora that it's not reviewable. If there was no review it can't be said what the review found because the review didn't exist. Sheesh.

 

It's not reviewable because Holt didn't try to turn two. If he attempts a throw, they review it.

[cp176]

Once again as does happen from time to time, in an effort to keep everyone safe, a rule was created that might tend to cause even more harm. If a runner wants to break up a double play, what is he supposed to do. This rule if not enforced may even encourage more runners to go into bases this way. On the other hand, if middle infielders feel protected from take out slides will they continue to be taught how to get the hell out of the way when a guy is bearing down on them. I'm not in favor of doing anything that intentionally hurts anyone but you can't have a rule for everything I'm afraid.

[Thunder]

Starting lineup is out. Who is making the game thread? Someone else's turn.

 

Nobody has realized that my incredible run is over.