Red Sox To Sign J.D. Martinez

[Natick to NC]

Ohhh ffS will they just get on with it ? Such Drama

[harmony]

True, you didn't bring cap space into it. But you suggested that a lot of teams may have 'shied away' from JDM because of health issues.

 

I think you know that likely had much less to do with it than the fact that most teams simply weren't interested in forking out $110 million for any player this offseason.

 

Possible reasons for that:

 

-Cap space

-Legitimate lack of room in payroll budget

-Willing to put a low budget crap team on the field to make profits

-Tanking for high draft picks

We can probably agree that many factors may have limited the active market for J.D. Martinez.

 

But the delay in the Martinez signing may highlight a health issue that was better known within the industry than in the general public.

 

Or not.

 

The Red Sox may have been more willing than many clubs to overlook a health issue because of the team's perceived need for a big bat. The 2017 drop in production following the departure of David Ortiz magnified that need.

 

Let's hope J.D. Martinez is healthy and productive.

[harmony]

A larger fraction have budgets that acn in no way approach that limit...

And yet the San Diego Padres, Kansas City Royals, Philadelphia Phillies, Milwaukee Brewers and Minnesota Twins are among the teams that reportedly are in the running to sign free agents projected to land nine-figure contracts (the Padres already signed a $144 million deal).

Edited February 25, 2018 by harmony

[Bellhorn04]

We can probably agree that many factors may have limited the active market for J.D. Martinez.

 

But the delay in the Martinez signing may highlight a health issue that was better known within the industry than in the general public.

 

 

I have my doubts that other teams would know very much about whatever specific health issue the Red Sox are concerned with, unless perhaps it was another team that performed their own physical examination on him, like Arizona.

 

Obviously everybody, including us, knows about the actual injuries he's had and how many games he's missed.

 

He certainly seemed healthy in the latter part of last season, hitting 29 homers in 62 games with Arizona.

[Hitch]

If he fails the medical, it will be mere minutes until the conspiracy theories about us 'knowing we wouldn't really sign him and did it just appease the fans' start pouring on to the comment sections of every forum and article relating to the Red Sox in North America.

 

Quite possibly started by Natic to NC.

[Hitch]

Weird double post there...

 

Have a picture of a smilie smiling.

[notin]

And yet the San Diego Padres, Kansas City Royals, Philadelphia Phillies, Milwaukee Brewers and Minnesota Twins are among the teams that reportedly are in the running to sign free agents projected to land nine-figure contracts (the Padres already signed a $144 million deal).

 

And I'm sure all of them are thinking "JD Martinez failed his physical with Boston. Let's go sign him! !!"

[moonslav59]

Latest on J.D. Martinez, Red Sox

By Kyle Downing | February 25, 2018 at 10:50am CDT

 

SUNDAY: The two sides “have continued to work though contract language,” tweets Heyman, who notes that there’s a “high probability” they’ll complete the agreement.

[moonslav59]

I have my doubts that other teams would know very much about whatever specific health issue the Red Sox are concerned with, unless perhaps it was another team that performed their own physical examination on him, like Arizona.

 

Obviously everybody, including us, knows about the actual injuries he's had and how many games he's missed.

 

He certainly seemed healthy in the latter part of last season, hitting 29 homers in 62 games with Arizona.

 

Of course, injury history plays a role in the amount any team might offer a player.

 

I do not think his injury history was the reason the top spending teams avoided bidding on JD.

 

The two other biggest spenders, the Yanks and Dodgers, are looking to reset their tax rates.

 

The Cubs, Giants and others chose different spending routes. Was JD's injury history the reason they went another way? I doubt it. The Cards and CWS are in different spending modes right now. I think we'll find out the AZ offer was woefully short of what the Sox offered.

 

JD is not the only big FA looking at signing for much less than expected. There's still a lot of big names out here unsigned. Let's see what they sign for, and I think we'll see that injury history is not the driving force behind less bidding wars.

 

[fxkatt]

Speaking of spending and not spending, I can't believe that Morrison gets 6.5 mill for a lousy one year contract at age 30 after hitting 38 homers last year. That's what I call getting shafted. Well, I hope this JD contract gets done.

[moonslav59]

Speaking of spending and not spending, I can't believe that Morrison gets 6.5 mill for a lousy one year contract at age 30 after hitting 38 homers last year. That's what I call getting shafted. Well, I hope this JD contract gets done.

 

Even $16.5M/2 is a steal. I was thinking he'd get $33-36M/3.

 

I said it the minute we signed Moreland: it was a big mistake.

 

Now, we're hearing HRam is going to be the FT 1Bman, so we're not even going to get much benefit from Moreland's 1Bman's glove.

 

SHAME!

[Natick to NC]

Speaking of spending and not spending, I can't believe that Morrison gets 6.5 mill for a lousy one year contract at age 30 after hitting 38 homers last year. That's what I call getting shafted. Well, I hope this JD contract gets done.

 

I agree 100 percent ...I was thinking minimum for LOMO 3 at 39 ....If LOMO hits 32 out this year with decent D and decent average ???? I hope he cleans up for himself next winter ..I believe he's figured it out ...we will see soon .

Edited February 25, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

I agree 100 percent ...I was thinking minimum for LOMO 3 at 39 ....

 

What if we could have gotten 3 from these guys: Morrison, Moustakas, Arrieta, Lynn, Cobb instead of JD & Moreland?

[Natick to NC]

If he fails the medical, it will be mere minutes until the conspiracy theories about us 'knowing we wouldn't really sign him and did it just appease the fans' start pouring on to the comment sections of every forum and article relating to the Red Sox in North America.

 

Quite possibly started by Natic to NC.

Point taken ...they don't give two smelly socks about what we post ....but point taken .

[Natick to NC]

What if we could have gotten 3 from these guys: Morrison, Moustakas, Arrieta, Lynn, Cobb instead of JD & Moreland?

 

Hell moon give me Arrietta ,Cobb, and either LOMO or Moose ???? Yeah in a cocaine heartbeat .lol if that's what you meant ? If you are saying pick one at 3 years and 39 over JD contract ????? Thats tempting for Arietta and let's be honest if LOMO figured it out ??? Yes it's tempting .Yes I'd do it for them .Lomo is such a gamble though ....but aren't they all here ?

Edited February 25, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

Hell moon give me Arrietta ,Cobb, and either LOMO or Moose ???? Yeah in a cocaine heartbeat .lol if that's what you meant ? If you are saying pick one at 3 years and 39 over JD contract ????? Thats tempting for Arietta and let's be honest if LOMO figured it out ??? Yes it's tempting .Yes I'd do it for them .Lomo is such a gamble though ....but aren't they all here ?

 

The LoMo deal is a 1 year risk. If he does great, then we'd want him another year with the vesting $8M year 2.

 

Moose might get a similar deal to this. Imagine getting both for $11M/1 with the second year coming in at maybe $16M/2! $27M/2 for both M & M! Wow!

 

That's about half the cost of JDM at 2 years before his opt out.

[tom-uk]

Of course, injury history plays a role in the amount any team might offer a player.

JD is not the only big FA looking at signing for much less than expected. There's still a lot of big names out here unsigned. Let's see what they sign for, and I think we'll see that injury history is not the driving force behind less bidding wars.

 

 

All interesting things in life are multifactorial!!

 

What Boras said. “I think we’ve got a lot of excuse-making,’’ Boras said. “We have a lot of reasons for non-competitiveness. And the reason for it is they’re suggesting some reward (high draft picks). Our system is upside-down, because we never, ever want to reward non-competitiveness. It is a cancer. It damages the brand of baseball.’’

 

Some factors:

-the Cubs / Astros blueprint (Padres are trying).

-post steroid FA hitters losing effectiveness earlier, and other reasons for so many big contract FA busts.

-owner collusion

-team use of stats / analytics

-younger players are outperforming older players more than before

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/baseballs-kids-are-all-right/

Edited February 25, 2018 by tom-uk

[Bellhorn04]

All interesting things in life are multifactorial!!

 

What Boras said. “I think we’ve got a lot of excuse-making,’’ Boras said. “We have a lot of reasons for non-competitiveness. And the reason for it is they’re suggesting some reward (high draft picks). Our system is upside-down, because we never, ever want to reward non-competitiveness. It is a cancer. It damages the brand of baseball.’’

 

Some factors:

-the Cubs / Astros blueprint (Padres are trying).

-post steroid FA hitters losing effectiveness earlier, and other reasons for so many big contract FA busts.

-owner collusion

-team use of stats / analytics

-younger players are outperforming older players more than before

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/baseballs-kids-are-all-right/

 

Another factor, which Boras will never mention, of course, is that the new CBA that the players signed was a bad deal for them.

[Bellhorn04]

Latest on J.D. Martinez, Red Sox

By Kyle Downing | February 25, 2018 at 4:14pm CDT

 

SUNDAY, 4:14pm: There could be a press conference announcing the Martinez signing “as early as Monday morning,” Ian Browne of MLB.com tweets. The Red Sox and Boras “had a productive weekend adjusting contract language,” per Browne.

[Natick to NC]

The LoMo deal is a 1 year risk. If he does great, then we'd want him another year with the vesting $8M year 2.

 

Moose might get a similar deal to this. Imagine getting both for $11M/1 with the second year coming in at maybe $16M/2! $27M/2 for both M & M! Wow!

 

That's about half the cost of JDM at 2 years before his opt out.

What could have been ....But a JD Note Monday he will be introduced just announced ....Press conference Monday !!!!crap sorry Bellhorn you got the scoop !!!an hour ago lol

Edited February 25, 2018 by Natick to NC

[cp176]

What could have been ....But a JD Note Monday he will be introduced just announced ....Press conference Monday !!!!crap sorry Bellhorn you got the scoop !!!an hour ago lol

 

I think Bullhorn gets up earlier than most of us as well. He might be in a different time Zone! lol

[moonslav59]

A “medical matter” ... prevented the Red Sox from finalizing the five-year, $110MM agreement they reached with free agent J.D. Martinez on Monday. Former big leaguer J.D. Drew can relate, having agreed to a five-year, $70MM deal with the BoSox in 2007 that took seven weeks to become official because they had concerns with his right shoulder. Drew – who, like Martinez, had agent Scott Boras as representation – looked back on the experience with Rob Bradford of WEEI. “My first words were, ’There’s nothing wrong with my shoulder.’ I was like you can put whatever you want in there,” Drew recalled. “But [boras] said, ’I have to protect you.’ From that point on I gave him complete freedom to do whatever he needed to do.” Eleven years later, Drew remains a believer in Boras’ tactics, and he expects the agent’s expertise to benefit Martinez. “I guarantee Scott and J.D. are on a page where they know what’s happening, he’s completely assured by Scott that they know what they have to do,” he said. “He’s going to fight, he’s going to fight, he’s going to fight and get the best he can and make sure it’s fine with him.”

[notin]

The LoMo deal is a 1 year risk. If he does great, then we'd want him another year with the vesting $8M year 2.

 

Moose might get a similar deal to this. Imagine getting both for $11M/1 with the second year coming in at maybe $16M/2! $27M/2 for both M & M! Wow!

 

That's about half the cost of JDM at 2 years before his opt out.

 

If the LoMo contract is a risk, then JDs contract is a suicide capsule.

 

The big hold up in JDs deal is undoubtedly his Lisfranc injury, which may or may not have healed to the Sox liking. But then despite his great year last year, this can be a very serious injury. It's the same one that ended the career of Allen Craig. ...

[Natick to NC]

A “medical matter” ... prevented the Red Sox from finalizing the five-year, $110MM agreement they reached with free agent J.D. Martinez on Monday. Former big leaguer J.D. Drew can relate, having agreed to a five-year, $70MM deal with the BoSox in 2007 that took seven weeks to become official because they had concerns with his right shoulder. Drew – who, like Martinez, had agent Scott Boras as representation – looked back on the experience with Rob Bradford of WEEI. “My first words were, ’There’s nothing wrong with my shoulder.’ I was like you can put whatever you want in there,” Drew recalled. “But [boras] said, ’I have to protect you.’ From that point on I gave him complete freedom to do whatever he needed to do.” Eleven years later, Drew remains a believer in Boras’ tactics, and he expects the agent’s expertise to benefit Martinez. “I guarantee Scott and J.D. are on a page where they know what’s happening, he’s completely assured by Scott that they know what they have to do,” he said. “He’s going to fight, he’s going to fight, he’s going to fight and get the best he can and make sure it’s fine with him.”

 

I get that ....hell I respect it even .

[Natick to NC]

If the LoMo contract is a risk, then JDs contract is a suicide capsule.

 

The big hold up in JDs deal is undoubtedly his Lisfranc injury, which may or may not have healed to the Sox liking. But then despite his great year last year, this can be a very serious injury. It's the same one that ended the career of Allen Craig. ...

 

Notin although you are squarely on the money with this ....I don't know if that was the only thing holding Allen Craig back ...There are still whispers his career may have been aided .I have idea if that's the case ....JD is a monster and on a whole other planet than Craig.JD will be a monster here for atleast two years ...the opt outs are brilliant .LOMO is an extremely intriguing player who I love to watch bat but he's been pretty up and down ..so this was a safe bet that had to be made .Lomo could very well play for us someday soon if he repeats last year .

Edited February 26, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

If the LoMo contract is a risk, then JDs contract is a suicide capsule.

 

The big hold up in JDs deal is undoubtedly his Lisfranc injury, which may or may not have healed to the Sox liking. But then despite his great year last year, this can be a very serious injury. It's the same one that ended the career of Allen Craig. ...

 

My point was intended to portray the idea of spreading the risk as being better in light of the low cost of LoMo's deal and the expected bargain for Moustakas and probably Cobb or Lynn.

[moonslav59]

Notin although you are squarely on the money with this ....I don't know if that was the only thing holding Allen Craig back ...There are still whispers his career may have been aided .I have idea if that's the case ....JD is a monster and on a whole other planet than Craig.JD will be a monster here for atleast two years ...the opt outs are brilliant .LOMO is an extremely intriguing player who I love to watch bat but he's been pretty up and down so this was a safe bet .

 

Well, if his injury affects his future career, the opt-outs are meaningless, we'll have him for 5 years.

[notin]

Notin although you are squarely on the money with this ....I don't know if that was the only thing holding Allen Craig back ...There are still whispers his career may have been aided .I have idea if that's the case ....JD is a monster and on a whole other planet than Craig.JD will be a monster here for atleast two years ... .

 

Both Craig and Martinez were notorious late bloomers.

 

While I've never heard either player connected to steroids, the fact that both were late bloomers would not make it surprising if they were. ..

Edited February 26, 2018 by notin

[Natick to NC]

Both Craig and Martinez were notorious late bloomers.

 

While I've never heard either player connected to steroids, the fact that bith were late bloomers would not Mark make it surprising if they were. ..

 

I'll just say maybe and leave it at that with regards to the guy from the cards .....can't prove anything .

Edited February 26, 2018 by Natick to NC

[notin]

I'll just say yes and leave it at that with regards to the guy from the cards .

 

With anything besides rumor and innuendo?