Fire alex cora

[Bellhorn04]

I guess your not getting my point, no problem. He is handcuffed, if knowing before the season you were going over the Luxury Tax anyway, but Owner told him not to go over the High Luxury Tax penalty.

 

The thing is, every team is handcuffed by payroll restraints at some level.

 

We have the highest payroll. That's why I say DD has it pretty good.

[Slasher9]

We have the highest payroll. That's why I say DD has it pretty good.

 

can hide alot of mistakes with $240MM per. but apparently not all of them....

WTF Cora isnt helping.

[OH FOY]

Steinbrenner if alive, didn't care. Once your in, and you spent so much, might as well go all in. Final take on this. I think the Minors is the way to go too.

[OH FOY]

Steinbrenner if alive, didn't care. Once your in, and you spent so much, might as well go all in. Final take on this. I think the Minors is the way to go too.

 

Cant believe what I just said we have become the Yankees. Team that I hated when they spent, and spent, and spent.

[notin]

Some guys in the minors are having great seasons and should get a chance. However, its seems as if DD is too loyal to mediocre bats and arms right now. Who would be front runners out there that we could go get to help the BP situation. Definitely need a lefty in the pen and a reliable closer....

 

Who are you thinking of?

 

Anyone on the 40 man roster?

[mvp 78]

can hide alot of mistakes with $240MM per. but apparently not all of them....

WTF Cora isnt helping.

 

Cora isn't a part of roster creation. Not sure what else he could do.

[mvp 78]

Pedroia's salary would sure look nice added to the pen.

[mvp 78]

Sandoval's too for that matter.

[Noles_1335]

The only one on the 40 man is Darwin... some of the guys on there will never help or make an impact at all. Jarren Duran has really heated up in Salem. The kid is batting .403 with 13 2B's and 18 SB's, Chatham is hitting .314 and has 44 hits in 38 games. There are a few guys with low ERA's and relief pitchers that should be given a shot with the state of our pen. I think we should slide Chavis over to 1B and bring up Hernandez or Chatam and let them play 2B and bring Darwin up, at least there is one lefty in the pen. Hell, Duran could be the leadoff hitter this team needs. Not completely sure how the 40 man works so all this may be a moot point.

[mvp 78]

The only one on the 40 man is Darwin... some of the guys on there will never help or make an impact at all. Jarren Duran has really heated up in Salem. The kid is batting .403 with 13 2B's and 18 SB's, Chatham is hitting .314 and has 44 hits in 38 games. There are a few guys with low ERA's and relief pitchers that should be given a shot with the state of our pen. I think we should slide Chavis over to 1B and bring up Hernandez or Chatam and let them play 2B and bring Darwin up, at least there is one lefty in the pen. Hell, Duran could be the leadoff hitter this team needs. Not completely sure how the 40 man works so all this may be a moot point.

 

Chatham needs to get seasoning at 2B in AA before they call him up. He's on a bit of a hot streak, but has really been swinging well. Duran hasn't even had 200 AB's in high A ball. Need to pump the brakes a little on him. There's no way he's coming up anytime soon.

 

To get anyone off the 40 man, you have to put them through waivers. If the Sox really need someone, there are a few guys that you could either get through waivers or at least wouldn't come back to bite you if they went elsewhere.

[a700hitter]

Cora isn't a part of roster creation. Not sure what else he could do.

He could have had his starters ready for opening day. It was that ill advised decision that put the team in a deep hole. The bullpen was fine for the first month. He lost the Division in March and April.

[moonslav59]

I guess, at this point, I should cease being amazed at all the knee-jerk reactionaries in this world.

 

[a700hitter]

I guess, at this point, I should cease being amazed at all the knee-jerk reactionaries in this world.

 

i am not saying to fire him, but his approach in spring training is responsible for the brutally bad start. I am a believer that it is better to jump ahead out of the gate and take some time to cruise during mid season. His approach to the start of the season was arrogant and misguided. Edited May 29, 2019 by a700hitter

[moonslav59]

i am not saying to fire him, but his approach in spring training is responsible for the brutally bad start. I am a believer that it is better to jump ahead out of the gate and take some time to cruise during mid season. His approach to the start of the season was arrogant and misguided.

 

My comment was not directed at you, and in hindsight, the ST'ing "Restgate" seems to have failed miserably at this point in the season, but the plan was based on the idea that we'd have fresh arms when it really counts, so I think we should reserve judgment until that time comes and goes.

 

Every manager makes mistakes, especially in hindsight.

 

Brasier had gone his last 4 appearances (4 IP) without allowing a hit, walk or run. After least year's performance, I don't fault Cora for trying him in the 9th. I don't fault Cora for using Barnes in an earlier high leverage situation. Needing to call on Lakins might be more of a DD criticism than Cora, but I hated the choice, even before the bedlam.

 

I'm glad it's a 162 game season, but last night felt like a sucker punch in the gut.

 

We will move on. We will win. And, there's a good chance we will be hailing Cora as a genius after our back-to-back championship seasons.

 

[a700hitter]

My comment was not directed at you, and in hindsight, the ST'ing "Restgate" seems to have failed miserably at this point in the season, but the plan was based on the idea that we'd have fresh arms when it really counts, so I think we should reserve judgment until that time comes and goes.

 

Every manager makes mistakes, especially in hindsight.

 

Brasier had gone his last 4 appearances (4 IP) without allowing a hit, walk or run. After least year's performance, I don't fault Cora for trying him in the 9th. I don't fault Cora for using Barnes in an earlier high leverage situation. Needing to call on Lakins might be more of a DD criticism than Cora, but I hated the choice, even before the bedlam.

 

I'm glad it's a 162 game season, but last night felt like a sucker punch in the gut.

 

We will move on. We will win. And, there's a good chance we will be hailing Cora as a genius after our back-to-back championship seasons.

 

Like I said, I would rather jump out to a lead and then rest guys. If Cora wants to win the Division, he will have to keep the pedal to the floor and the guys will be worn out by September anyway.

[vegasbob]

I guess, at this point, I should cease being amazed at all the knee-jerk reactionaries in this world.

 

 

Moon, never be surprised, only disappointed in your fellow fan. After a vanishing win like yesterday's, a knee jerk reaction is not unusual.

 

Here's the real stat, after a game more than a 1/3 of the season, a team (minus 2 guys, plus 1 guy )that won 119 and a WS has not played nor pitched fundamentally well consistently, resulting in a 29-26 record . Only one string of 5 consecutive wins, a few 3 win "streaks" and not a lot of success against top tier teams yet.

 

2018 probably set an upper range boundary where everything went very well. Now , not so much. The bullpen's cumulative talent depth was suspect coming into ST. The babying of the starters in ST was questionable, with 2 of them already using IL vacations so far. Based on their experience levels, expecting Brasier, Walden, Brewer, post surgery Thornburg, now Lakin, Velazquez, soon to be Brian Johnson to be consistently successful was whistling past the graveyard.

 

I said many times that the great WS win in 2018 gave the FO and ownership a pass on 2019 as long as they played reasonably well. It looks like the fan base expected deja vu all over again. On a game by game basis, I have no issue either applauding or booing individual managers, coaches, players for their performances. They are well paid professionals who put themselves out there to show their talents and reap the rewards. f***'em if the paying customer doesn't appreciate their skills or efforts.

[mvp 78]

At least it's not LAST DAMN PLACE.

[Slasher9]

I guess, at this point, I should cease being amazed at all the knee-jerk reactionaries in this world.

 

 

i think questioning the managers use of ryan brasier last night is justified. especially sticking with him for so long in the inning and then going to travis lakins. do you disagree?

[Slasher9]

At least it's not LAST DAMN PLACE.

 

in 2014 the Boston Red Sox last day above last place was July 21st

in 2015 the Boston Red Sox last day above last place was Oct 2nd

 

we have time to get there.

[Bellhorn04]

i think questioning the managers use of ryan brasier last night is justified. especially sticking with him for so long in the inning and then going to travis lakins. do you disagree?

 

Brasier was brought in to close the game. Cora had some confidence in his ability to get the job done. Do you pull your closer after a home run and a walk? I don't think so. How many times did we see Kimbrel do something like that before getting out of it?

 

Plus the remaining options were not very attractive either.

[jacksonianmarch]

Got nothing to lose, keep bringing them up.

 

You’ve got EVERYTHING to lose. Bringing up the kids may work. It may backfire like hell as it did with Lakins last night. Right now, the Sox are tied for the second WC spot. You start bringing up kids who aren’t ready and you’re going to run your team out of that spot. With the Twins entering the playoff fray and having the biggest divisional lead in the AL, you have to consider the playoff races to be 7 teams instead of 6. The Guardians are too talented and play in too s***** of a division to be counted out. The A’s jumped back in. Then your usual 5 suspects with TB, NYY, BOS, and HOU. You aren’t gonna waltz to the second wild card this year.

[Slasher9]

Brasier was brought in to close the game. Cora had some confidence in his ability to get the job done. Do you pull your closer after a home run and a walk? I don't think so. How many times did we see Kimbrel do something like that before getting out of it?

 

Plus the remaining options were not very attractive either.

 

i wouldnt compare brasier's role with 2018 CK role. i finally got a chance to watch the inning today and it was pretty obvious bras didnt have it. i dont know....seems like a manager mistake to me to stick with him for so long in that inning - and then going to lakins? walden certainly didnt help WTF Cora when he only managed to get 1 out in the 8th....barnes only had 12 pitches...perhaps he could have started teh 9th?

[notin]

i wouldnt compare brasier's role with 2018 CK role. i finally got a chance to watch the inning today and it was pretty obvious bras didnt have it. i dont know....seems like a manager mistake to me to stick with him for so long in that inning - and then going to lakins? walden certainly didnt help WTF Cora when he only managed to get 1 out in the 8th....barnes only had 12 pitches...perhaps he could have started teh 9th?

 

Cora might have stuck with Barnes, but with the worst hitters on the Guardians coming up, he probably figured he didn’t need him...

[YastrzemskI]

The fact that this thread still exists is ridiculous.

[Slasher9]

The fact that this thread still exists is ridiculous.

 

it was created to be ridiculous on the day he was hired.

[moonslav59]

Moon, never be surprised, only disappointed in your fellow fan. After a vanishing win like yesterday's, a knee jerk reaction is not unusual.

 

Here's the real stat, after a game more than a 1/3 of the season, a team (minus 2 guys, plus 1 guy )that won 119 and a WS has not played nor pitched fundamentally well consistently, resulting in a 29-26 record . Only one string of 5 consecutive wins, a few 3 win "streaks" and not a lot of success against top tier teams yet.

 

2018 probably set an upper range boundary where everything went very well. Now , not so much. The bullpen's cumulative talent depth was suspect coming into ST. The babying of the starters in ST was questionable, with 2 of them already using IL vacations so far. Based on their experience levels, expecting Brasier, Walden, Brewer, post surgery Thornburg, now Lakin, Velazquez, soon to be Brian Johnson to be consistently successful was whistling past the graveyard.

 

I said many times that the great WS win in 2018 gave the FO and ownership a pass on 2019 as long as they played reasonably well. It looks like the fan base expected deja vu all over again. On a game by game basis, I have no issue either applauding or booing individual managers, coaches, players for their performances. They are well paid professionals who put themselves out there to show their talents and reap the rewards. f***'em if the paying customer doesn't appreciate their skills or efforts.

 

Well said.

 

I do remember a few times last year, several posters jumped off the bad wagon with force.

[moonslav59]

i think questioning the managers use of ryan brasier last night is justified. especially sticking with him for so long in the inning and then going to travis lakins. do you disagree?

 

I've already said I did not like the Lakins choice, and questioning how long he stuck with Brasier is fine, but "fire Cora?"

 

I have zero issues with Cora. I'm still thrilled he is our manager, and I have no ill will over a few choices I happen to disagree with. He knows more than I do, and I trust him as our leader- 100% and then some.

[Bellhorn04]

i wouldnt compare brasier's role with 2018 CK role. i finally got a chance to watch the inning today and it was pretty obvious bras didnt have it. i dont know....seems like a manager mistake to me to stick with him for so long in that inning - and then going to lakins? walden certainly didnt help WTF Cora when he only managed to get 1 out in the 8th....barnes only had 12 pitches...perhaps he could have started teh 9th?

 

As notin said, this is the same thing they've been doing all along. Barnes pitched the 8th to face the tougher hitters. It's a little early to be trying him for 5 out saves.

[Slasher9]

As notin said, this is the same thing they've been doing all along. Barnes pitched the 8th to face the tougher hitters. It's a little early to be trying him for 5 out saves.

 

im 100% fine with Barnes being used for whatever inning is deemed the "save" inning. but the man threw 12 pitches. we have to treat him like CK and be 1 inning only?

[Slasher9]

I've already said I did not like the Lakins choice, and questioning how long he stuck with Brasier is fine, but "fire Cora?"

 

I have zero issues with Cora. I'm still thrilled he is our manager, and I have no ill will over a few choices I happen to disagree with. He knows more than I do, and I trust him as our leader- 100% and then some.

 

im not really saying fire cora. i am saying he is earning the WTF Cora moniker. it is still early in the season but gun to my head i would put it like this:

just about all the iffy moves in 2018 worked well for Cora/Red Sox/Us

just about all the iffy moves in 2019 worked poorly for Cora/Red Sox/Us