2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[Kimmi]

But he signed Mitch Moreland!

 

And Notin's favorite, Esteban Quiroz!

[Kimmi]

I'm with you on that.

 

Well, it does take two to tango. Dombrowski has made a reasonable, and currently the best offer (as far as we can tell) to JD. What is Dombrowski to do if JD doesn't accept?

 

If we don't sign JD, we might just be better off waiting until midseason to see what our greatest area of weakness is. It might not be a big bat, but rather starting pitching.

[moonslav59]

Well, it does take two to tango. Dombrowski has made a reasonable, and currently the best offer (as far as we can tell) to JD. What is Dombrowski to do if JD doesn't accept?

 

If we don't sign JD, we might just be better off waiting until midseason to see what our greatest area of weakness is. It might not be a big bat, but rather starting pitching.

 

Waiting for midseason means trading players or prospects for someone.

 

If we don't sign JD, we should sign LoMo or Duda and maybe 1-2 other players.

[Kimmi]

Waiting for midseason means trading players or prospects for someone.

 

If we don't sign JD, we should sign LoMo or Duda and maybe 1-2 other players.

 

Not necessarily. It could be a salary dump for the other team, which we could afford if we don't sign JD.

[harmony]

And Notin's favorite, Esteban Quiroz!

Over the Monster columnist Matt Collins omitted Esteban Quiroz in his analysis of Red Sox position battles:

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2018/2/14/17010494/red-sox-spring-training-position-battles

 

I corrected that in the comments below the column.

[Natick to NC]

Waiting for midseason means trading players or prospects for someone.

 

If we don't sign JD, we should sign LoMo or Duda and maybe 1-2 other players.

 

Moon ..what do you think about Arietta ? I know he's a mess with his delivery ... I love the player for Boston ....here we go lol

Edited February 15, 2018 by Natick to NC

[moonslav59]

Not necessarily. It could be a salary dump for the other team, which we could afford if we don't sign JD.

 

Even if he's a "dump", if he's any good, it will cost a prospect or two.

[moonslav59]

Moon ..what do you think about Arietta ? I know he's a mess with his delivery ... I love the player for Boston ....here we go lol

 

I'm always good with adding pitchers at or near the top of our rotation, so I'm listening. I'd like to see the cost, and I still think we need a clean-up hitter.

[harmony]

MLB Trade Rumors looks at potential suitors for J.D. Martinez:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/what-other-teams-could-emerge-for-j-d-martinez.html#comments

Edited February 15, 2018 by harmony

[moonslav59]

MLB Trade Rumors looks at potential suitors for J.D. Martinez:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/what-other-teams-could-emerge-for-j-d-martinez.html#comments

 

I can't see MN or WSH joining the bidding, unless the price goes down.

 

It only goes down, if the Sox drop their offer.

[harmony]

I can't see MN or WSH joining the bidding, unless the price goes down.

 

It only goes down, if the Sox drop their offer.

Perhaps non-economic issues are at play.

[Natick to NC]

Yankees have all the buzz ...Redsox are like following curling In the olympics .

[mvp 78]

Yankees have all the buzz ...Redsox are like following curling In the olympics .

 

I don't remember the Sox having much buzz in ST 2013.

[moonslav59]

I don't remember the Sox having much buzz in ST 2013.

 

True, but we did have a few notable things to talk about, like Vic, Napoli and Dempster.

[mvp 78]

True, but we did have a few notable things to talk about, like Vic, Napoli and Dempster.

 

Ok?

 

"So we just signed Napoli and Victorino? What do you think?"

 

"They're fine veterans. Those moves don't move the needle though. Wish they got an impact bat and another starting pitcher."

 

"What about Dempster?"

 

"Meh."

 

That's it. That's the conversation. There was no buzz. Just signing people doesn't make it a great offseason. Making the right moves makes it a great offseason. If that means not overpaying a FA, fine. I'm sure a lot of people here would go back and not sign Price to that deal, but a few years ago they'd be screaming about how the Sox really needed to bring Price in no matter what.

[moonslav59]

Ok?

 

"So we just signed Napoli and Victorino? What do you think?"

 

"They're fine veterans. Those moves don't move the needle though. Wish they got an impact bat and another starting pitcher."

 

"What about Dempster?"

 

"Meh."

 

That's it. That's the conversation. There was no buzz. Just signing people doesn't make it a great offseason. Making the right moves makes it a great offseason. If that means not overpaying a FA, fine. I'm sure a lot of people here would go back and not sign Price to that deal, but a few years ago they'd be screaming about how the Sox really needed to bring Price in no matter what.

 

I loved the low risk Napoli signing that was incentive laden. I also really loved the Uehara deal.

 

I hated the length of Vic's deal and thought Dempter was a gross overpay for a 5th starter. Plus, I hate signing 5th starters (Masterson).

 

Yeah, there wasn't a lot of buzz, and certainly after a last place finish, those names did not make anyone feel like we were about to become champs, but it was more buzz than now.

[Bellhorn04]

We're still waiting for our buzz to show up.

 

A certain famous play by Samuel Beckett comes to mind.

[sk7326]

I am happy being the boring 90 win team.

[moonslav59]

From MLBTR...

 

The Red Sox are continuing to monitor the market for outfielders, as Dave Dombrowski told reporters (including MLB.com’s Ian Browne and NBCSports.com’s Evan Drellich), and they haven’t given any type of deadline to J.D. Martinez or other free agents for signing with the team. Dombrowski admitted that the team intended to have more lineup options in place by this point (“From a positional player perspective, no, that wasn’t, per se, our plan“) but noted that even a normal offseason is hard to predict, and this winter’s free agent freeze has made things particularly unusual. The lack of free agent activity has led to more trade talks, Dombrowski said, as teams are trying to prepare themselves if and when any of these free agents eventually come off the board.

[mvp 78]

From MLBTR...

 

The Red Sox are continuing to monitor the market for outfielders, as Dave Dombrowski told reporters (including MLB.com’s Ian Browne and NBCSports.com’s Evan Drellich), and they haven’t given any type of deadline to J.D. Martinez or other free agents for signing with the team. Dombrowski admitted that the team intended to have more lineup options in place by this point (“From a positional player perspective, no, that wasn’t, per se, our plan“) but noted that even a normal offseason is hard to predict, and this winter’s free agent freeze has made things particularly unusual. The lack of free agent activity has led to more trade talks, Dombrowski said, as teams are trying to prepare themselves if and when any of these free agents eventually come off the board.

 

Once the fall back plan is signed elsewhere (Duda or LoMo), I bet the Sox figure it out quickly.

[Bellhorn04]

I am happy being the boring 90 win team.

 

I'm not super happy being a boring 90 win team battling it out for a Wild Card spot - especially when there are opportunities to get better.

[moonslav59]

Once the fall back plan is signed elsewhere (Duda or LoMo), I bet the Sox figure it out quickly.

 

My guess is that DD is in touch with his plan B and C players' agents and will issue an ultimatum to JD, before his other option disappear.

[sk7326]

I'm not super happy being a boring 90 win team battling it out for a Wild Card spot - especially when there are opportunities to get better.

 

oh of course - but "buzz" ... whatever. There are a lot of chances to get better, but most of them are internal.

[mvp 78]

Cashner is being signed by the O's.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

 

I think the over/under on Cashner's ERA against the Yankees and Red Sox this year is like 5.95.

[moonslav59]

I would not have paid $16M/2 plus incentives and a vesting option for Cashner, so I take back what I said about wanting to sign him.

[sk7326]

Cashner down from 19% to 12% K-rate in 2017. Yuck

[Maxbialystock]

I consider all acquisitions to be risky, but I also think acquisitions ended the 86 year drought. When you make as much money as this club does, you should be willing to spend on acquisitions--even though I personally am always skeptical. I hated the Price contract, but right now I'm hoping he will finally make a difference this year. And so on.

[Bellhorn04]

I consider all acquisitions to be risky, but I also think acquisitions ended the 86 year drought. When you make as much money as this club does, you should be willing to spend on acquisitions--even though I personally am always skeptical. I hated the Price contract, but right now I'm hoping he will finally make a difference this year. And so on.

 

There were some big acquisitions in the offseasons preceding each of the Sox 3 titles this century.

[mvp 78]

Sox were at the Lincecum workout. MiLB deal?