Drew Pomeranz was worth it

[Dojji]

He's gonna finish with somewhere around 180 innings of 143 ERA+ and around 4 WAR. His production is very lterally the difference between our current place in the division standings and being tied with or half a game behind the Yankees. After the regression of Price and Porcello, it's impossible to understate just how critical Drew Pomeranz is to this rotation.

 

Especially notable in light of the fact that Anderson Espinosa sucked last year and hasn't thrown a single pitch this year and had TJS after we successfully dumped him on San Diego. Especially because there was all this furor over how the Red Sox had supposedly spent Espinosa to purchase damage goods and those damaged goods have thrown over 200 innings of big league ball in the meanwhile.

 

Just thought that was worth bringing up :D

Edited September 20, 2017 by Dojji

[mvp 78]

No here is something that definitely needs it's own thread..

[a700hitter]

He may be the best value in Baseball, and we got him for a kid with TJ surgery who will not get to MLB until 2020 or 2021 if ever.

[mvp 78]

He may be the best value in Baseball, and we got him for a kid with TJ surgery who will not get to MLB until 2020 or 2021 if ever.

 

Seeing that he won't even pitch until 2019, it was lucky that we dumped him when we did.

[a700hitter]

Seeing that he won't even pitch until 2019, it was lucky that we dumped him when we did.

I never thought there was any reason to regret the trade, because his ETA was so far out under even ideal circumstances and so much can go wrong in an extended period of time. Now, the trade looks like a one-sided coup.

[Slasher9]

Like most trades for a prospect....TBD.

Espinosa worth wont be known for a grip of years.

of course now the MLB player will be "worth it". he's playing and contributing. nobody was expecting Espy on the 2017 Sox 25 man roster or 40 man for that matter.

let's hold off on sucking each others dicks for a few years and see what comes of the kid......

[jacksonianmarch]

I think it depends on how long he stays this good. If he finishes out this year and rolls for the next 2, then yes. If he finishes this year and regresses or gets hurt, then it will be entirely dependent on Espinosa's progress. This isn't like they dealt a wing and a prayer minor leaguer. They dealt a top 25 prospect at 18 who threw like Pedro. If Espinosa comes out fine from TJS and is in the bigs dominating come 2020, then the deal could be a wash. As it stands right now, the win does appear to be in the sox favor

[TylerD]

He has been absolutely fantastic all year long for us. What a great pick up for us and honestly is the one pitcher I think I fully trust right now going into playoffs. Sale since the All Star break has scared me, Porcello seems to be getting his groove back but inconsistent and same with Fister. Poms should win us whatever game he starts. Watching him this year has been fun. If Sale can find his form from the first half of the season and Porcello plays like he did last game along with Poms pitching like he has all season I really don't think there is a team (even Cleveland) that could stop us in the playoffs.

[a700hitter]

I think it depends on how long he stays this good. If he finishes out this year and rolls for the next 2, then yes. If he finishes this year and regresses or gets hurt, then it will be entirely dependent on Espinosa's progress. This isn't like they dealt a wing and a prayer minor leaguer. They dealt a top 25 prospect at 18 who threw like Pedro. If Espinosa comes out fine from TJS and is in the bigs dominating come 2020, then the deal could be a wash. As it stands right now, the win does appear to be in the sox favor

What we have gotten from him between this year and last year for $3-4 million/ year has been worth it, even if Espinoza makes it to the majors in 2021.

[mvp 78]

Like most trades for a prospect....TBD.

Espinosa worth wont be known for a grip of years.

of course now the MLB player will be "worth it". he's playing and contributing. nobody was expecting Espy on the 2017 Sox 25 man roster or 40 man for that matter.

let's hold off on sucking each others dicks for a few years and see what comes of the kid......

 

That's all that happens on TS. What else are you here for?

[Maxbialystock]

Good year, no question. Good acquisition. But am I the only one on edge with every batter he faces and all those pitches he throws each inning?

 

The knuckle curve is good, but he sometimes leaves it up. The so-so fastball works because he spots it well and picks the right times to throw it (in conjunction with the catcher of course).

 

Last night I saw a graphic that said, season to date, about 90% of his pitches are one or the other--fast ball or knuckle curve. After one inning, I don't remember which, I checked the location of every pitch for every batter, and it was clear to me he has gotten pretty good at working those corners while also moving the location around and alternating those two pitches.

[a700hitter]

Good year, no question. Good acquisition. But am I the only one on edge with every batter he faces and all those pitches he throws each inning?

 

The knuckle curve is good, but he sometimes leaves it up. The so-so fastball works because he spots it well and picks the right times to throw it (in conjunction with the catcher of course).

 

Last night I saw a graphic that said, season to date, about 90% of his pitches are one or the other--fast ball or knuckle curve. After one inning, I don't remember which, I checked the location of every pitch for every batter, and it was clear to me he has gotten pretty good at working those corners while also moving the location around and alternating those two pitches.

After 5 months of him working out of jams, I would have thought you would have developed a comfort level with him on the mound with men on base. He has been nothing short of extraordinary this season. You defend all sorts of bonehead plays, but Pomeranz worries you? Go figure. Your credibility is plummeting.

[Bellhorn04]

I think it depends on how long he stays this good. If he finishes out this year and rolls for the next 2, then yes.

 

For clarification, 2018 is Pomeranz's final arb year. 2019 he's a free agent.

[Spudboy]

lol

[notin]

I didn't like this trade when the Sox made it, especially for a very high profile prospect. But even at the steep price, Pomeranz has absolutely been worth it. I was wrong...

[cp176]

I didn't like this trade when the Sox made it, especially for a very high profile prospect. But even at the steep price, Pomeranz has absolutely been worth it. I was wrong...

 

I'm liking this thread primarily I guess because I liked the trade after seeing Pomeranz pitch against Detroit last summer. obviously this year has been special for him. I'm sure that it was a tough trade though to watch a young pitcher projected to be outstanding traded away. They don't come along everyday. Over the short term (as in 1,2 or 3 years) this has been a big win for us. Without him this year, I don't like our chances so much, and I like the fact that we are on top of the standings.

[a700hitter]

I never viewed the price as steep, because i don't place a lot of value on 18 year old pitchers, unless the guy is 6'6" and already throwing 98.

[Spudboy]

A trade for a pitcher was necessary at the time of this deal.

 

I was nervous about his newfound starting status but I was not unhappy that we traded away an 18 year old.

 

I think DD made the right move.

[moonslav59]

I never viewed the price as steep, because i don't place a lot of value on 18 year old pitchers, unless the guy is 6'6" and already throwing 98.

 

But, how many times have the Sox had an 18 year old pitcher ranked in the top 20?

 

I realize the Sox have not had much luck with pitchers in the system, and I understand that potential value is just that: potential.

 

My issue was not so much about trading Espi, even though I'd have loved to have rolled the dice on him, but I thought we could have made a bigger package the winter before and got an ace or solid #2.

 

I'm glad Pom has turned into a solid #2 this year. It was a little bumpy last year.

 

I've never had anything against Pom. I thought he was a decent #3 or 4.

 

So far, the deal looks great.

[a700hitter]

But, how many times have the Sox had an 18 year old pitcher ranked in the top 20?

 

I realize the Sox have not had much luck with pitchers in the system, and I understand that potential value is just that: potential.

 

My issue was not so much about trading Espi, even though I'd have loved to have rolled the dice on him, but I thought we could have made a bigger package the winter before and got an ace or solid #2.

 

I'm glad Pom has turned into a solid #2 this year. It was a little bumpy last year.

 

I've never had anything against Pom. I thought he was a decent #3 or 4.

 

So far, the deal looks great.

And they did a great job of overhyping this kid and getting a get return for him.

[mvp 78]

And they did a great job of overhyping this kid and getting a get return for him.

 

We promise that his arm is perfectly fine! Even the part that was damaged at the time we signed him!

[vjcsmoke]

Let's not forget that Pomeranz was the player with the injury concerns at the moment of the trade, not Espinosa.

 

I will say that Pomeranz has had a fantastic turnaround season though after sucking during the half year that he was initially with us after the trade.

 

Maybe a lot of that had to do with his injury. And this is what we get with a healthy Drew Pomeranz.

 

What I see in Drew is a pitcher who reminds me of how solid Derek Lowe was for the Red Sox. Drew is still young enough to further perfect his craft and boost up his ability to a strong #2.

 

DD took a gamble by trading for Pomeranz and for Sale but so far those look like two stroke of genius trades.

 

We would not be anywhere this season without Sale to anchor the starting rotation and Pomeranz to further solidify it.

 

 

The only obvious DD gaffe so far is trading away Travis Shaw. But he more than made up for it by acquiring Nunez. One of the more underrated moves before the trade deadline.

 

Of course the Red Sox free agency has also sucked - Price and Panda were lemons and we spent mega bucks on them.

 

But if we can improve our performance in that area next year, I see good things in store for us. Most of the other moves made by the Red Sox front office have looked pretty good to date.

[moonslav59]

And they did a great job of overhyping this kid and getting a get return for him.

 

We don't know if he was overhyped.

 

Plus, the Sox don't do the national rankings.

 

He was highly thought of, before we even signed him.

[Northern Star]

No here is something that definitely needs it's own thread..

 

Thread fascist.

[Kimmi]

I thought the deal for Pomeranz was an overpay, but it was necessary. What irked me the most about it was Dombrowski not backing out of the deal when he found out that Pom was damaged goods. I guess Dombrowski knew something that we didn't.

 

It's too early to know whether this is a great deal or not, but right now, it looks great. Pom has been a huge part of our late season success.

 

However, he is likely due for some regression next year.

[Larry Cook]

The Pomeranz deal was a huge overpay. I do not know what injury he had when he came over last year, but I am 100 percent sure he was injured at the time of the trade.

 

I know in hindsight Espinosa blew out his elbow so the deal looks good now as well as next year, provided Pomeranz continues to throw well.

 

In my mind, dave over paid in the Kimbrel trade and that set the stage for overpay expectations from every GM from that day toward.

 

And for some reason, maybe due to desperation, dave has been biting the pillow on every trade since he got here.

 

Sadly for us dave has taken to pillow biting like a duck to water!

[moonslav59]

Too bad DD's FA signings haven't had the immediate success of the vast majority of his trades.

[Bellhorn04]

The Pomeranz deal was a huge overpay. I do not know what injury he had when he came over last year, but I am 100 percent sure he was injured at the time of the trade.

 

I know in hindsight Espinosa blew out his elbow so the deal looks good now as well as next year, provided Pomeranz continues to throw well.

 

In my mind, dave over paid in the Kimbrel trade and that set the stage for overpay expectations from every GM from that day toward.

 

And for some reason, maybe due to desperation, dave has been biting the pillow on every trade since he got here.

 

Sadly for us dave has taken to pillow biting like a duck to water!

 

Clown post bro.

[Emp9]

let's hold off on sucking each others dicks for a few years and see what comes of the kid......

 

I'm more than fine with this. In fact, we can hold off forever if you want. lol

[Emp9]

I didn't like this trade when the Sox made it, especially for a very high profile prospect. But even at the steep price, Pomeranz has absolutely been worth it. I was wrong...

 

I always liked Pom ( as a solid #3), but at the time I thought it was a huge over pay. Last year it was, this year is wasn't. Anytime Pom performs better than a #3, I'm super-duper happy about it. His true potential was a bit of an unknown and it could've gone either way (and has quite a bit until recently). I still would've liked a far away SD prospect thrown in (like a scratch-off ticket). And we all know TJS is common enough now and better handled that it's not all doom and gloom for Espi's career. Bottom-line:We needed a solid mid-rotation starter more than we needed a potential Ace 3-4 years away prospect. No real complaints here from me.