9/19 @ Baltimore

[S5Dewey]

It's not semantics that Devers' error last night didn't cost anything.

 

Right. He got bailed out, but that's a different topic. The debate here has been over whether one play can cause a team to lose. In that situation Devers' throw could have caused the team to lose had the next batter, say, hit a home run and the Sox not scored.

 

Wouldn't you also say that the wild pitch caused the O's to lose that game?

[Bellhorn04]

Right. He got bailed out, but that's a different topic. The debate here has been over whether one play can cause a team to lose. In that situation Devers' throw could have caused the team to lose had the next batter, say, hit a home run and the Sox not scored.

 

Wouldn't you also say that the wild pitch caused the O's to lose that game?

 

The wild pitch wouldn't have been anything without the walks that preceded it though. The Red Sox run scored through a series of 'bad plays' by the pitcher.

[illinoisredsox]

Am I the only one here who thinks that Dever's throw really should have been dug out?

 

It probably should have, and Moreland would be the first one to say so. That doesn't change the fact that Devers had another bad throw.

 

Can we at least admit Devers is not helping the team defensively at 3B? He also had the mental error last night of failing to cover 3rd when they had Jones picked off (MVP, who thinks Devers walks on water, tried to blame Vazquez for a dumb throw).

[Slasher9]

Am I the only one here who thinks that Dever's throw really should have been dug out?

 

no. it 100% should have been caught. my 11U firstbaseman is running laps if he doesnt pick that throw.

f*** moreland and his "gold glove" defense. he sucks. i honestly think hanley did just as good of a job. i dont care what "dwar" says. my eyes tell me different.

[mvp 78]

The wild pitch wouldn't have been anything without the walks that preceded it though. The Red Sox run scored through a series of 'bad plays' by the pitcher.

 

It's very rarely "just one play" that causes a loss.

 

But what about Bill Buckner? IT WASN'T BILL BUCKNER'S FAULT DAMNIT. THERE WAS A BUNCH OF OTHER s***** STUFF THAT HAPPENED TOO.

[mvp 78]

no. it 100% should have been caught. my 11U firstbaseman is running laps if he doesnt pick that throw.

f*** moreland and his "gold glove" defense. he sucks. i honestly think hanley did just as good of a job. i dont care what "dwar" says. my eyes tell me different.

 

Even if he doesn't pick it, he can't let it get by him and allow the extra base.

 

Devers does need more defensive work. From all I've heard, he's putting the time in. Moreland on the other hand doesn't give me much confidence that he can pick anything. If your 1B can't ever pick something in the dirt, you might as well just play Hanley there.

[cp176]

Of course it was an error but once again, i think that it could have and i guess i would say should been dug out after watching the replay . There are bad throws then there are really bad throws. That throw just wasn't all that bad. Helping or hurting? I don't think that he is helping us there but he is the one I would have there right now and quite possibly for the future.

[Slasher9]

Right. He got bailed out, but that's a different topic. The debate here has been over whether one play can cause a team to lose. In that situation Devers' throw could have caused the team to lose had the next batter, say, hit a home run and the Sox not scored.

 

Wouldn't you also say that the wild pitch caused the O's to lose that game?

1 bad play can definitely lead to an L. 2013 WS there are 2 perfect examples. a catcher throwing a ball into LF. and a baserunner getting picked off first base.

i guess people are arguing whether other things have to happen first or after a bad play to cause an L. sure. not all games end on the bad play. but the bad play certainly contributes. just look at the odds of winning % stream after a bonehead/bad/error play. it is effected (affected? - i always mess that up).....

[S5Dewey]

The wild pitch wouldn't have been anything without the walks that preceded it though. The Red Sox run scored through a series of 'bad plays' by the pitcher.

 

I guess I'm just one to cut to the core. In my mind Devers put the game in doubt with the bad throw. If he makes that throw the game is over, the Sox win, and nothing that happened afterward would have happened. End of story. Devers' errant throw could have cost them the win.

 

The same with the O's. The wild pitch may have cost the O's the win. If he doesn't make that wild pitch we don't know what else might have happened but it's very possible that the WP cost the O's the win.

 

I just don't understand why people have to obfuscate the facts with so many tangental things. It is what it is and there's nothing wrong with establishing blame, at least at the major league level. In fact, the threat of blame can be an huge motivator.

[mvp 78]

1 bad play can definitely lead to an L. 2013 WS there are 2 perfect examples. a catcher throwing a ball into LF. and a baserunner getting picked off first base.

i guess people are arguing whether other things have to happen first or after a bad play to cause an L. sure. not all games end on the bad play. but the bad play certainly contributes. just look at the odds of winning % stream after a bonehead/bad/error play. it is effected (affected? - i always mess that up).....

 

"Can contribute." Of course.

 

"Is the reason." Probably not. Usually it takes more than one play to lose a game.

 

If the O's had scored 2 runs that inning, it would have also meant Barnes let up a dinger or put a lot more runners on. Would that have been Devers' fault too? Is it Devers' fault that hitters 3-5 went 0 for 13 and left runners on? Is it Devers' fault that Pedey hit into a clutch GDP? Devers and Benny were the only two Sox to get on base more than once. Is it Devers' fault the rest of the offense sleepwalked through the game?

 

Bad plays contribute to losses. Bad plays can also be covered up by good plays. Barnes picked up Devers by getting the final out. Devers has picked up many others this season by having the highest OPS than any other Sox player that played last night.

[cp176]

no. it 100% should have been caught. my 11U firstbaseman is running laps if he doesnt pick that throw.

f*** moreland and his "gold glove" defense. he sucks. i honestly think hanley did just as good of a job. i dont care what "dwar" says. my eyes tell me different.

 

I said earlier that at the least Moreland should have kept that ball in front of him. I'm not that impressed with him. he was a good pick up for sure but a game saver he ain't. I hate seeing him go after those high pops down the foul line.

[mvp 78]

I just don't understand why people have to obfuscate the facts with so many tangental things.

 

You're obfuscating the whole story by calling anything aside from one play "tangental."

[Slasher9]

"Can contribute." Of course.

 

"Is the reason." Probably not. Usually it takes more than one play to lose a game.

 

If the O's had scored 2 runs that inning, it would have also meant Barnes let up a dinger or put a lot more runners on. Would that have been Devers' fault too? Is it Devers' fault that hitters 3-5 went 0 for 13 and left runners on? Is it Devers' fault that Pedey hit into a clutch GDP? Devers and Benny were the only two Sox to get on base more than once. Is it Devers' fault the rest of the offense sleepwalked through the game?

 

Bad plays contribute to losses. Bad plays can also be covered up by good plays. Barnes picked up Devers by getting the final out. Devers has picked up many others this season by having the highest OPS than any other Sox player that played last night.

yeah, so i dont think anyone is trying to crucify devers. should he be playing? absolutely. he is our best option. that said, i wouldnt be surprised to see a defensive replacement for him late innings with a lead.......

[cp176]

yeah, so i dont think anyone is trying to crucify devers. should he be playing? absolutely. he is our best option. that said, i wouldnt be surprised to see a defensive replacement for him late innings with a lead.......

 

that actually might be a good idea. i would never play any of those little no hit all glove wonders over him on this team though on a regular basis.

[mvp 78]

yeah, so i dont think anyone is trying to crucify devers. should he be playing? absolutely. he is our best option. that said, i wouldnt be surprised to see a defensive replacement for him late innings with a lead.......

 

I agree. Which is another reason HOLT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE ROSTER.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Okay all these extra innings victories are getting old. Like stop it already geez.

[TylerD]

Okay all these extra innings victories are getting old. Like stop it already geez.

 

Certainly makes for a long game however it's good they can grind these games out and make it worth it. I would be more concerned if all these games were going to extras and they were losing them. This is playoff baseball (finding ways to win games whether it's ugly or not) and it might take extras to beat the solid teams like Cleveland or Houston. At this point I could care less how we win games as long as we win them. Two days ago we won strictly because of our offense and last night was all pitching. At the end of the day this team has won 7 of their last 10 and keeping ahead of the Yankees which they have to do because the Yankees are red hot right now. Looking like it will be the Yanks and Twins in the Wild Card and if the Yanks win that wild card they will be a tough opponent for Cleveland come playoff time. Playoffs can't come fast enough.

[OH FOY]

According to Sean McAdam good chance Nunez returns Friday.

[a700hitter]

According to Sean McAdam good chance Nunez returns Friday.

We can use the spark to the lineup. It is great that the team has picked up for his absence and Pedroia's absence/slump with a winning streak. When they return and get back on track, we should put up runs more consistently.

[mvp 78]

We can use the spark to the lineup. It is great that the team has picked up for his absence and Pedroia's absence/slump with a winning streak. When they return and get back on track, we should put up runs more consistently.

 

The mantra of the 2017 Boston Red Sox.

[Spudboy]

Is Pedroia's nose so sore that he can't hit? WTH!! He should be playing. Yaz would have played with a hurt nose and a case of the runs.

 

And he would have had a Marlboro and Bud between innings.

[Spudboy]

Todd Walker may be the best of the fill-ins for Remy.

 

Yeah he has been pretty solid.

 

I do think Gomes was fun but this guy is easier to understand and sticks to straight analysis.

[a700hitter]

And he would have had a Marlboro and Bud between innings.

Yep!!

[Spudboy]

I've been ignoring the best chance I have for a couple days now, because I'm fixated on this girl from home. Plus, I didn't get one last night, so it shouldn't matter.

 

I don't know kid.

 

A bird in the hand and all that.

[Spudboy]

That's not how mojo works.

 

Henceforth Thunder mojo will be referred to as blojo.

 

That is all.

[Spudboy]

Crash positions everyone!!!

 

Post of the day!

[TylerD]

The mantra of the 2017 Boston Red Sox.

 

Ya I am not holding out hope for the playoffs on our offense that's for sure. We will need great pitching to win against Houston and Cleveland or Yankees or whoever we play. With that said getting Nunez back and Pedroia hitting again..... If the offense comes alive during the playoffs great we will need that too. But if our pitching is anything less than stellar it could be ugly.

[a700hitter]

Post of the day!

Luckily that I was not eating or drinking when I read that or I would have choked and spit. LOL!!

[Spudboy]

It's very rarely "just one play" that causes a loss.

 

But what about Bill Buckner? IT WASN'T BILL BUCKNER'S FAULT DAMNIT. THERE WAS A BUNCH OF OTHER s***** STUFF THAT HAPPENED TOO.

 

Calvin Shiraldi.

[Slasher9]

Calvin Shiraldi.

 

roger clemens and his pussy blister....