9/6 vs Blue Jays

[Slasher9]

Royale with cheese x 2

[Maxbialystock]

Sense of proportion. People are talking about the whole season not just one play, and by the whole squad, not just JBJ.

 

I'm sure you are right. We have had lots of bonehead talk on talksox this year. But, as I just wrote, I believe the odds are 100 to 1 that any single game, including any playoff game, will be decided by hitting and pitching and fielding and not by a truly boneheaded play. Heck, I'll even agree that third out by JBJ was boneheaded, but, because this was such a great win, because JBJ helped make it that way, and because that 3d out made absolutely no difference in the game outcome, I just don't care. I frankly find the boneheaded talk tiresome because it is never backed up by a specific example of how it cost us a game.

[Maxbialystock]

Setting the bar awfully low, no?

 

How so? Are you honestly saying game outcomes are irrelevant to this discussion? Do you, for example, have any problem saying we lost such and such a game because of weak hitting or lousy pitching or both? Of course not. It's real. Boneheaded plays are real as well, but their effect on game outcomes is simply unproven.

[Maxbialystock]

Sense of proportion Max. No one is beating your brains out. Get a grip on that bitter bald angry head of yours. LOL!!

 

Yeah, well, you could be right about that. I have a bad habit climbing onto soapboxes at the first opportunity. This clearly is one of them. My snivelling excuse is that tonight I loved the heck out of this win and how we got it. And I kind of forgot what talksox is about. Thanks for the reminder.

[cp176]

I have a problem with bad baseball of any kind if it is mental in nature. The ultimate outcome of the game means nothing to me when I break a game down. Winning the game doesn't make bad mental baseball ok. It has happened too often.

[SoxHop]

I'm speachless.... and really don't understand that bad baseball doesn't lead to less wins... I have no retort..

[a700hitter]

I have a problem with bad baseball of any kind if it is mental in nature. The ultimate outcome of the game means nothing to me when I break a game down. Winning the game doesn't make bad mental baseball ok. It has happened too often.

Physical failures are understandable. The players are human and the game is really difficult. I rarely criticize a player for a physical mistake or error, but I am not very forgiving of mental errors. The players should know better and the coaches should be reinforcing smart play and good fundamentals.

[Maxbialystock]

Two straight wins when badly needed and both wins earned, first by great pitching for 19 innings (did that really happen last night) and second by another great start by Fister and some very welcome power hitting.

 

That's two high quality starts by ERod and Fister. moonslav keeps reminding us we have a pretty good schedule, so there is every reason to hope that just maybe the guys have turned still one more corner. Yankee fans cannot be happy tonight.

[a700hitter]

I'm speachless.... and really don't understand that bad baseball doesn't lead to less wins... I have no retort..

Apparently the effect of mental errors on losing games can't be proved. I disagree with that entirely. The effect of a bad mental error can be proved to be the cause of losing a game as much as any other type of play can be causally tied to the outcome of the game.

[SoxHop]

Apparently the effect of mental errors on losing games can't be proved. I disagree with that entirely. The effect of a bad mental error can be proved to be the cause of losing a game as much as any other type of play can be causally tied to the outcome of the game.

 

Wait till one of them pulls this crap in a playoff game like MVP said..... Oh Boy..........the s*** will REALLY hit the fan on this site.....

[SoxHop]

Two straight wins when badly needed and both wins earned, first by great pitching for 19 innings (did that really happen last night) and second by another great start by Fister and some very welcome power hitting.

 

That's two high quality starts by ERod and Fister. moonslav keeps reminding us we have a pretty good schedule, so there is every reason to hope that just maybe the guys have turned still one more corner. Yankee fans cannot be happy tonight.

 

Great win. I think we needed it just to get out of a hitting funk. I'm not sure if that will do it, but it's one step forward and one more step in the count down in games we need to win to clinch......

[moonslav59]

Nice to see 6 runs, but still not getting to 10 hits in a game.

 

Nice job by Fister.

 

25 Ks last night.

 

10 tonight.

 

Fister has been a godsend.

[Maxbialystock]

Apparently the effect of mental errors on losing games can't be proved. I disagree with that entirely. The effect of a bad mental error can be proved to be the cause of losing a game as much as any other type of play can be causally tied to the outcome of the game.

 

I did not say mental blunders can not be proved to have cost a game, but I am saying no one on talksox has been able or willing to do it. At the same time, any of us can cite specific examples of when weak hitting or poor pitching cost us multiple losses. My gosh, our hitting has been so bad MLB is about to nail us for electronic stealing of signs, which Is cheating. You want bad baseball to get mad about, try that on for size. It is ignominious.

 

As for JBJ and maybe Leon's inattention on the base paths last night, I not only don't care because it had no effect on the game, I also don't consider it a good example of bad fundamentals because it was such an unusual situation. I and others had trouble realizing that, even with Leon out at home JBJ could still be a force out at 3b. On a pop fly to left field yet. A natural instinct on a very catchable pop fly to LF is to stay put because you can't advance from 2d base when it is caught. That's also why Leon was so slow to react and out by a mile at home.

 

And, while we're on this topic, lets not forget that pop fly was getting close to infield fly rule territory. The infield fly rule was adopted by MLB to eliminate easy double play force outs created by clever infielders who purposefully dropped popups with runners on 1st and 2d and one or no outs. They wisely recognized the advantage gained by intentionally dropping a popup to get a double play instead of just one easy out.

Edited September 7, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[OH FOY]

Nice win needed it. Fister did his job, so did the rest of team.

5-30 in this series with RISP.

Edited September 7, 2017 by OH FOY!

[jad]

Exactly. I'm not sure why Leon is being blamed here, as he did exactly what he was supposed to do: given that he had no chance of tagging up if the ball were caught, he had to get as much of a lead as possible, which he did. When it was dropped, he was toast. JBJ, on the other hand, like most of us here, suffered a slight brain cramp given the unusual nature of what happened.

[Slasher9]

JBj had an error on the basepaths. 100%. the second that ball is lifted into the air to short LF depth towards the line he needs to get 1/3 of the way off of the base. if the ball is caught (as one would expect) he needs to hustle back to the bag to avoid being doubled up. if the ball is dropped (not expected but should be prepared) he needs to put his head down and hustle to 3rd base to avoid being forced out.

when the bags are full behind you - you MUST run to the next base when a baseball touches dirt or grass.

it's pretty simple stuff actually.

that all said...do we need to crucify JBj? no. he had a big game last night and a yuuuuge defensive play earlier in the morning. do we expect him to learn from his baserunning error last night? heck yes we do.

JBj - let's not see this again. you have now done this 2x this season. once running to first base and now this one. please...for the love of all things holy...when the ball hits the ground run your ass off to the next bag. thank you for your cooperation.

[User Name]

The Blue Jays got Fistered hard last night.

[mvp 78]

JBj had an error on the basepaths. 100%. the second that ball is lifted into the air to short LF depth towards the line he needs to get 1/3 of the way off of the base. if the ball is caught (as one would expect) he needs to hustle back to the bag to avoid being doubled up. if the ball is dropped (not expected but should be prepared) he needs to put his head down and hustle to 3rd base to avoid being forced out.

when the bags are full behind you - you MUST run to the next base when a baseball touches dirt or grass.

it's pretty simple stuff actually.

that all said...do we need to crucify JBj? no. he had a big game last night and a yuuuuge defensive play earlier in the morning. do we expect him to learn from his baserunning error last night? heck yes we do.

JBj - let's not see this again. you have now done this 2x this season. once running to first base and now this one. please...for the love of all things holy...when the ball hits the ground run your ass off to the next bag. thank you for your cooperation.

 

I don't think anyone is crucifying JBJ. I just think people are fed up with baserunning mistakes that aren't even made little leaguers. It's just a weird thing that keeps happening to this team. FU Amaro.

[mvp 78]

@GlobeChadFinn

 

Eck will be back in the Sox booth Friday.

 

YES PLEASE!!!

[Maxbialystock]

JBj had an error on the basepaths. 100%. the second that ball is lifted into the air to short LF depth towards the line he needs to get 1/3 of the way off of the base. if the ball is caught (as one would expect) he needs to hustle back to the bag to avoid being doubled up. if the ball is dropped (not expected but should be prepared) he needs to put his head down and hustle to 3rd base to avoid being forced out.

when the bags are full behind you - you MUST run to the next base when a baseball touches dirt or grass.

it's pretty simple stuff actually.

that all said...do we need to crucify JBj? no. he had a big game last night and a yuuuuge defensive play earlier in the morning. do we expect him to learn from his baserunning error last night? heck yes we do.

JBj - let's not see this again. you have now done this 2x this season. once running to first base and now this one. please...for the love of all things holy...when the ball hits the ground run your ass off to the next bag. thank you for your cooperation.

 

That's pretty good, slasher.

[a700hitter]

The Blue Jays got Fistered hard last night.

Has the storm passed you yet?

[a700hitter]

I don't think anyone is crucifying JBJ. I just think people are fed up with baserunning mistakes that aren't even made little leaguers. It's just a weird thing that keeps happening to this team. FU Amaro.

My biggest criticism was that Butter just stood there like a mute. The replay showed Bradley confused and looking for help. The ballpark was pretty empty and quiet. Butter should have been yelling and waving to him. He did not do a good job. No one was crucifying Jackie. Some people interpret every criticism as a condemnation of the player's entire game.

[Thunder]

My biggest criticism was that Butter just stood there like a mute. The replay showed Bradley confused and looking for help. The ballpark was pretty empty and quiet. Butter should have been yelling and waving to him. He did not do a good job. No one was crucifying Jackie. Some people interpret every criticism as a condemnation of the player's entire game.

 

Yes. That is why I hate people. I was always told growing up to listen to your coach. If he tells you to go and you're out, it's his fault. If he doesn't say anything, he's an idiot.

[TylerD]

The Blue Jays got Fistered hard last night.

 

Definitely did not think Fister would be our best pitcher these last few weeks if you had asked me 2 months ago. If Sale gets his s*** together and Porcello can be a bit more consistent we have a very dangerous lineup of pitchers.

[a700hitter]

Yes. That is why I hate people. I was always told growing up to listen to your coach. If he tells you to go and you're out, it's his fault. If he doesn't say anything, he's an idiot.

But weedhopper, you are still growing up.

[a700hitter]

Why are we still trying to get something out of Chris Young with Raji Davis buried on the bench. I almost forgot that he was on the team.

[Kimmi]

Definitely did not think Fister would be our best pitcher these last few weeks if you had asked me 2 months ago. If Sale gets his s*** together and Porcello can be a bit more consistent we have a very dangerous lineup of pitchers.

 

Fister has been a godsend. He has an ERA of 1.5 over his last 4 games, courtesy of a .173 BABIP. I have more faith in him right now than I have in any of our other starters, including Sale.

 

It was nice to close out that series with 2 wins.

[S5Dewey]

I'b been saying since before Price went down that the Sox having the opportunity to pick up Sale was a godsend in itself, and even moreso that they were able to land him.

Now I'm saying the same thing about Fister.

 

This team thought they were 'set' for pitching when the season started with both Price and the CY winner on board along with Kimbrel, but as it turns out where would we be without Sale and Fister??

[Youk Of The Nation]

I'b been saying since before Price went down that the Sox having the opportunity to pick up Sale was a godsend in itself, and even moreso that they were able to land him.

Now I'm saying the same thing about Fister.

 

This team thought they were 'set' for pitching when the season started with both Price and the CY winner on board along with Kimbrel, but as it turns out where would we be without Sale and Fister??

 

Much like the fetish community, we would be lost without Fister.