Returning Pedey!

[Spudboy]

Am I the only poster who's still absolutely outraged about Machado's cheap shot on Pedey that essentially cost him this season and possibly his career?? And now some people want to trade for Machado???????????????

 

If a guy beat up one of your family members would you then hire him to do some carpentry for you because "he does good work"?

 

f*** Machado. Sideways with a porcupine.

 

And with no lubrication.

 

I think Machollo is a punk ass bitch. I would not elect to have him on my team. He is a lower element being.

 

He is a talented piece of s***, though.

[Spudboy]

Nope, I dislike enough players on this team.

I don't want to add another.

 

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!1!1

[Spudboy]

Trading Pedey, if he'd okay the deal, would help us not having to worry all the time plus save us money, but I doubt he OK's any trade.

 

And who the f*** would want him?

 

If he were 100% healthy he would get some interest, I guess. But with bad wheels his functionality is very limited.

 

The Sox are stuck with him unless he retires.

[jacksonianmarch]

Manny Machado in Boston would be a deadly force. 30HR for 3 straight years, gold glove defense, some speed when he is healthy. He is the kind of offensive talent you need

[moonslav59]

And who the f*** would want him?

 

If he were 100% healthy he would get some interest, I guess. But with bad wheels his functionality is very limited.

 

The Sox are stuck with him unless he retires.

 

I was assuming we'd pay part of his salary.

 

I bet the Dodgers would take him.

 

The trade problem is Pedey's 10-5 rights. He's not going anywhere, unless we make him feel unwanted.

 

I'm not FOR trading Pedey, but I'm open to good offers on anyone.

[sk7326]

And who the f*** would want him?

 

If he were 100% healthy he would get some interest, I guess. But with bad wheels his functionality is very limited.

 

The Sox are stuck with him unless he retires.

 

If he were healthy (famous words) possibly a lot of teams ... I am not sure the Red Sox would get sufficient value back ... but Pedey was a 5 win player in 2016 which at his salary is a screaming bargain. Even this year, with the nicks and bruises and warts, was still pretty fair result for the money.

[oldtimer]

I was assuming we'd pay part of his salary.

 

I bet the Dodgers would take him.

 

The trade problem is Pedey's 10-5 rights. He's not going anywhere, unless we make him feel unwanted.

 

I'm not FOR trading Pedey, but I'm open to good offers on anyone.

 

I think the question is more about who will be backing up Pedey on the Sox in 2018. Unless he has a lot of trouble recovering from the leg injury, I assume he will play about 90 games. Who will the backup be for the remaining games. Nunez is most likely but has a bad leg as well and may also wind up being an expensive signing. We have Marerro, Holt, Lin and Hernandez who should be looked at as potential utility backups. There is also a possibility of Chavis being our 2nd baseman of the future so he might make the grade in 2018 and he could backup 3rd as well. Chavis is 5'10" and 210# is has some pop.

[Kimmi]

Doesn't that imply you think there was a chance the Marlins might have given him away for nothing except paying the contract?

 

At the time that they put him on waivers? Yes, I think there was a chance. I wouldn't put it past them to try to unload that huge contract.

[Kimmi]

Nope, I dislike enough players on this team.

I don't want to add another.

 

Agreed on Machado.

 

But who's not to like on this team?

 

Besides your favorite, Price, that is. LOL

[moonslav59]

I think the question is more about who will be backing up Pedey on the Sox in 2018. Unless he has a lot of trouble recovering from the leg injury, I assume he will play about 90 games. Who will the backup be for the remaining games. Nunez is most likely but has a bad leg as well and may also wind up being an expensive signing. We have Marerro, Holt, Lin and Hernandez who should be looked at as potential utility backups. There is also a possibility of Chavis being our 2nd baseman of the future so he might make the grade in 2018 and he could backup 3rd as well. Chavis is 5'10" and 210# is has some pop.

 

I never thought of Chavis as 2B depth, but he's not good at 3B. I doubt he'd be any better at 2B.

 

I'm thinking Nunez might be too expensive, but he can be used elsewhere and still get 550+ PAs total.

 

Not sure what other FAs are out there.

 

I guess we could pray for Holt's or marco's full recovery and improvement.

[moonslav59]

At the time that they put him on waivers? Yes, I think there was a chance. I wouldn't put it past them to try to unload that huge contract.

 

Of course, they want to unload it. They are a small market team.

 

I just don't think they will hand him away.

 

I also don't think it will take Beni & Devers. It might not take either one.

 

It might not even take Bogey or JBJ.

 

Maybe we can just offer any two or three from...

 

Groome

Mata

Flores

Chavis

Houck

Scherff

Brannen

Beeks

Shawaryn

Ockimey

 

If we could get them to take HRam as a salary offset, then offer more.

 

[oldtimer]

I never thought of Chavis as 2B depth, but he's not good at 3B. I doubt he'd be any better at 2B.

 

I'm thinking Nunez might be too expensive, but he can be used elsewhere and still get 550+ PAs total.

 

Not sure what other FAs are out there.

 

I guess we could pray for Holt's or marco's full recovery and improvement.

 

Scouting report has Chavis with potential for 2nd base, perhaps more than 3rd.

[S5Dewey]

Manny Machado in Boston would be a deadly force. 30HR for 3 straight years, gold glove defense, some speed when he is healthy. He is the kind of offensive talent you need

 

Machado would be a better fit in a Yankees uniform.

[S5Dewey]

And who the f*** would want him?

 

If he were 100% healthy he would get some interest, I guess. But with bad wheels his functionality is very limited.

 

The Sox are stuck with him unless he retires.

But of course if he were 100% healthy we wouldn't even be talking about getting rid of him. There is THAT!!

[moonslav59]

Scouting report has Chavis with potential for 2nd base, perhaps more than 3rd.

 

If the scouts think he can do it, it might be worth a look-see.

 

This is who cots has for FA 2bmen:

(* means team option)

 

Second Basemen

Jose Altuve *

Alexi Amarista *

Darwin Barney

Andres Blanco

Asdrubal Cabrera *

Daniel Descalso *

Stephen Drew

Danny Espinosa

Ryan Flaherty

Logan Forsythe *

Howie Kendrick

Ian Kinsler *

Brett Lawrie

Jed Lowrie *

Eduardo Nunez

Cliff Pennington

Brandon Phillips

Adam Rosales

Neil Walker

 

[Northern Star]

Machado would be a better fit in a Yankees uniform.

 

Don't even go there....

[jacksonianmarch]

Machado would be a better fit in a Yankees uniform.

 

2 of our top prospects can play 3b. I doubt we spend heavy for another right handed bat in Yankee stadium when we have top prospects in that spot to take over. I think OF is more likely as our next major prospect won't be ready by 2019 and Harper is available and is lefty

[Spudboy]

But of course if he were 100% healthy we wouldn't even be talking about getting rid of him. There is THAT!!

 

Of course. That was not the point.

 

The point is that he is only marginally attractive in his damaged goods state.

[cp176]

But of course if he were 100% healthy we wouldn't even be talking about getting rid of him. There is THAT!!

 

I'm not going to be the guy beating the let's get rid of Pedroia drum but if he is not healthy enough to play more than half of the games at second base for us then he has virtually no value to our team next year. He is a second baseman. One of the best when he is healthy. There is 0 way his bat is valuable enough to keep him in our lineup even in a pinch as dh. If he comes back still damaged in the spring, I think that a tough decision will have to be made ala Danny Ainge and I. Thomas. Sometimes the reality has to be accepted. He has and is and will continue to be paid well. Any decision with respect to him, has to be made without emotion and with the best interests of the team are going forward.

[S5Dewey]

I understand all of that, and agree. I had seen several posts prefaced with "If he were 100% healthy" and my post was more of a "DUH!!" statement.

 

In reality I don't see Pedey ever being completely out of baseball regardless of the condition of his Machado-injured knee. I hope if he's not going to be able to play at a high level that he'd 'take one for the team' and instead take some kind of a coaching position while drawing his pay.

 

But.. Time will tell.

[moonslav59]

Pedey just doesn't seem like a DH type, but with his intensity, maybe he can make it work, if needed. If he could give us 80 games at 2B and 60 at DH, and we acquired a quality player who can play 2B, we should be okay.

 

Problems can arise, such as these...

 

1) If we sign JD to DH, he'd have to play the OF those 60 games Pedey DHs, and HRam would be the FT 1Bman.

2) If Nunez is the guy we get to cover for Pedey, or IF D will look like this: Devers (3B), Bogey (SS), Nunez (2B) and HRam (1B). That's pretty sickly bad.

3) If Pedey DH's more than 60% of the games, our OF is further squeezed, assuming we sign JD or another OF'er to DH for us.

[Dojji]

Pedroia is a smart hitter. When his playing days are over, I'd take a look at him as a batting coach.

 

Speaking of hitting coaches, and being among the smartest hitters of his generation... I wonder what Kevin Youkilis is up to these days.

 

EDIT: Ahh, working for player development in the Cubs system apparently, good for him. Theo knows brains when he sees them.

[moonslav59]

Pedroia is a smart hitter. When his playing days are over, I'd take a look at him as a batting coach.

 

Speaking of hitting coaches, and being among the smartest hitters of his generation... I wonder what Kevin Youkilis is up to these days.

 

EDIT: Ahh, working for player development in the Cubs system apparently, good for him. Theo knows brains when he sees them.

 

Youk was a hot head.

 

Pedey's relationship with the current players might be too strained to be a hitting coach for the Sox in the next 5 years or so.

[SoxnCycles]

Agreed on Machado.

 

But who's not to like on this team?

 

Besides your favorite, Price, that is. LOL

 

Pedroia, Benintendi, JBJ...

[moonslav59]

Pedroia, Benintendi, JBJ...

 

Wow.

[oldtimer]

Youk was a hot head.

 

Pedey's relationship with the current players might be too strained to be a hitting coach for the Sox in the next 5 years or so.

 

The new manager will want to choose his hitting coach. I too would avoid Pedroia for the reasons you infer. Youk is also not the best choice. Being a good hitter is not the only qualification for being the hitting coach. Our younger players have talent, but all could use the assistance of a quality hitting coach.

[SoxnCycles]

Wow.

 

I don't expect everyone (or anyone for that matter) to agree.

Simply my opinion.

[mvp 78]

Wow.

 

It's almost like people dislike other people for a variety of reasons!

 

To me, JBJ calling out Eck was s***** an immature. Price doing the same was s***** and immature. However, I expect that from pampered ballplayers. My real anger was directed towards John Farrell allowing that behavior to continue.

[Larry Cook]

Youk was a hot head.

 

Pedey's relationship with the current players might be too strained to be a hitting coach for the Sox in the next 5 years or so.

 

To the untrained eye it looks like pedroia fractured the locker room when after he got spiked by the oriole player, he was seen on tv saying it is them not me and pointing at Farrell,

 

Very hard to come back from something like that.

[a700hitter]

To the untrained eye it looks like pedroia fractured the locker room when after he got spiked by the oriole player, he was seen on tv saying it is them not me and pointing at Farrell,

 

Very hard to come back from something like that.

It was a terrible misstep by Pedroia when he did that. It could not have sat well with the rest of the team or with the coaches or manager.