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[Northern Star]

How many of you would do Sale for Stanton straight-up, Marlins go 50/50 on money.

[OH FOY]

If Stanton was here this year, and we didn't have Sale, you think we win division? I don't. Seen many teams with ridiculous Power, 78 Sox, Brewers, and didn't win it because no Pitching or not enough. Edited September 22, 2017 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

How many of you would do Sale for Stanton straight-up, Marlins go 50/50 on money.

 

A very unrealistic proposal, since Marlins wouldn't put in money like that. But I wouldn't do it anyway, because Sale is too valuable as an underpaid ace for 2 more years. Also Stanton has that opt-out after 2020.

[mvp 78]

How many of you would do Sale for Stanton straight-up, Marlins go 50/50 on money.

 

No. I want pitching all day every day.

[moonslav59]

Porcello & HRam for GS

 

(LOL--just kiddin!)

[Bellhorn04]

Porcello & HRam for GS

 

(LOL--just kiddin!)

 

Throw in Holt and it might work.

[Dojji]

How many of you would do Sale for Stanton straight-up, Marlins go 50/50 on money.

 

No.

 

Look where we are.

 

Look where the Marlins are.

 

No.

 

No.

 

No.

[notin]

How many of you would do Sale for Stanton straight-up, Marlins go 50/50 on money.

 

Not broken. Don't fix it.

 

With Price questionable going forward and looking more likely to be an albatross than an ace, and Porcello being a complete variable, do you think a pitching staff lead by Drew Pomeranz is going to get it done? Especially with Stanton's questionable injury history? We'd be more likely to have neither Sale nor Stanton far too often.

 

But on the bright side, think about the draft picks!!

[BstHcpr]

How many of you would do Sale for Stanton straight-up, Marlins go 50/50 on money.

 

Not a chance. Sale is way more valuable. They'd have to add to their end significantly.

[Kimmi]

I still don't understand some of this waiver stuff. I'm befuddled about this Stanton thing, and I was puzzled years ago when Manny cleared waivers after the 2003 season.

 

If a team is trying to do a salary dump on a player like Stanton, they can put the player on waivers. If another team makes a claim for the player, the owning team has 3 options:

 

1. They can revoke the waivers and keep the player. Teams often do this with players just to gauge interest.

2. They have a certain period of time to work out a trade with the claiming team.

3. They can 'give' the player to the claiming team outright, along with all of the remaining salary. The claiming team does not have the option of backing out if the owning team chooses this option. Therefore, the claiming team could be on the hook for any player that they claim. This is to avoid having teams put claims on every player just to block other teams.

 

This is why no one put in a claim for Manny or for Stanton. No team wanted to get stuck with that salary.

[Kimmi]

How many of you would do Sale for Stanton straight-up, Marlins go 50/50 on money.

 

No thanks. Then again, I don't think Stanton is as good as some people think he is. He's very good, no doubt. But I still think some are overly star struck by his homerun hitting this year.

[moonslav59]

If a team is trying to do a salary dump on a player like Stanton, they can put the player on waivers. If another team makes a claim for the player, the owning team has 3 options:

 

1. They can revoke the waivers and keep the player. Teams often do this with players just to gauge interest.

2. They have a certain period of time to work out a trade with the claiming team.

3. They can 'give' the player to the claiming team outright, along with all of the remaining salary. The claiming team does not have the option of backing out if the owning team chooses this option. Therefore, the claiming team could be on the hook for any player that they claim. This is to avoid having teams put claims on every player just to block other teams.

 

This is why no one put in a claim for Manny or for Stanton. No team wanted to get stuck with that salary.

 

Again, you don't know that for sure.

 

At times, teams do not put in a claim, because they are not interested in trading players for the guy at that time, and they know the team will be asking for players or asking for too much.

 

I am as close to certain as possible that when Stanton is traded, the Marlins will get good players/prospects in return. They probably will pay a small part of his contract but not a lot.

 

Maybe, this winter, the Marlins might take HRam (as a salary offset for the first 1-2 years of Stanton's contract) or Castillo (as a more spread out salary relief), Chavis and Beeks or Shawaryn.

 

If they took HRAm, our luxury tax budget would barely go up for 1-2 years. We could also add a key FA or two to fill other needs, such as signing Nunez and a 1Bman like Duda, Morrison or Alonso.

 

1. Bogey SS

2. Betts RF

3. Beni LF

4. Stanton DH

5. Devers

6. Duda 1B

7. Pedey 2B

8. JBJ CF

9. Vaz C

 

Bench: Nunez, Leon, and two from Travis, Hernandez, Holt, Lin and Marrero.

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[moonslav59]

No thanks. Then again, I don't think Stanton is as good as some people think he is. He's very good, no doubt. But I still think some are overly star struck by his homerun hitting this year.

 

If you change every one of Stanton's HR to a DBL, his SLG% would still be .429, which is still higher than HRam and Moreland.

 

His OPS would still be .804 and would be the best OPS among Sox regulars.

 

No, with all due respect, I think you underestimate just how great a hitter he is.

[Bellhorn04]

Some chicks actually HATE the long ball.

[moonslav59]

Some chicks actually HATE the long ball.

 

Ooops.

Edited September 23, 2017 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

It's not the ball they want long.

 

Oh man.

[moonslav59]

Oh man.

 

Yeah, that was bad.

[notin]

Again, you don't know that for sure.

 

At times, teams do not put in a claim, because they are not interested in trading players for the guy at that time, and they know the team will be asking for players or asking for too much.

 

I am as close to certain as possible that when Stanton is traded, the Marlins will get good players/prospects in return. They probably will pay a small part of his contract but not a lot.

 

Maybe, this winter, the Marlins might take HRam (as a salary offset for the first 1-2 years of Stanton's contract) or Castillo (as a more spread out salary relief), Chavis and Beeks or Shawaryn.

 

If they took HRAm, our luxury tax budget would barely go up for 1-2 years. We could also add a key FA or two to fill other needs, such as signing Nunez and a 1Bman like Duda, Morrison or Alonso.

 

1. Bogey SS

2. Betts RF

3. Beni LF

4. Stanton DH

5. Devers

6. Duda 1B

7. Pedey 2B

8. JBJ CF

9. Vaz C

 

Bench: Nunez, Leon, and two from Travis, Hernandez, Holt, Lin and Marrero.

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So the Sox get Stanton without giving up Benintendi and/or Devers? Not sure they have much else Miami wants....

[moonslav59]

So the Sox get Stanton without giving up Benintendi and/or Devers? Not sure they have much else Miami wants....

 

According to Kimmi, giving up 1 low single A player would be an overpay, because any team could have had him for nothing by just claiming him off waivers.

[Kimmi]

Again, you don't know that for sure.

 

At times, teams do not put in a claim, because they are not interested in trading players for the guy at that time, and they know the team will be asking for players or asking for too much.

 

I am as close to certain as possible that when Stanton is traded, the Marlins will get good players/prospects in return. They probably will pay a small part of his contract but not a lot.

 

Maybe, this winter, the Marlins might take HRam (as a salary offset for the first 1-2 years of Stanton's contract) or Castillo (as a more spread out salary relief), Chavis and Beeks or Shawaryn.

 

If they took HRAm, our luxury tax budget would barely go up for 1-2 years. We could also add a key FA or two to fill other needs, such as signing Nunez and a 1Bman like Duda, Morrison or Alonso.

 

1. Bogey SS

2. Betts RF

3. Beni LF

4. Stanton DH

5. Devers

6. Duda 1B

7. Pedey 2B

8. JBJ CF

9. Vaz C

 

Bench: Nunez, Leon, and two from Travis, Hernandez, Holt, Lin and Marrero.

,

 

No, I don't know that for sure, but to me, it seems logical to presume that. If a team really wants Stanton and is willing to take on the contract, why not take the chance? They have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. They could get Stanton without having to part with any prospects.

 

There are a lot teams that cannot handle that type of contract, or more accurately, don't want to.

 

In the case of the Red Sox, I don't think they'd want the contract this year because of the luxury tax.

[moonslav59]

No, I don't know that for sure, but to me, it seems logical to presume that. If a team really wants Stanton and is willing to take on the contract, why not take the chance? They have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. They could get Stanton without having to part with any prospects.

 

There are a lot teams that cannot handle that type of contract, or more accurately, don't want to.

 

In the case of the Red Sox, I don't think they'd want the contract this year because of the luxury tax.

 

They didn't want him this year, because they wanted to reset the tax. That's not true for next year.

[Kimmi]

If you change every one of Stanton's HR to a DBL, his SLG% would still be .429, which is still higher than HRam and Moreland.

 

His OPS would still be .804 and would be the best OPS among Sox regulars.

 

No, with all due respect, I think you underestimate just how great a hitter he is.

 

No, I realize how good a hitter Stanton is. I know that carries a higher OPS than any of our starters. I still think that some people have fallen overly in love with his home runs. And he's having what may be a career year. Or, he could be hitting his prime. We really don't know.

 

My point is that I don't think Stanton worth the contract PLUS the players that we will have to give up. I'll stick with Beni, who is a darn good player in his own right.

[Kimmi]

Some chicks actually HATE the long ball.

 

This made me literally LOL Well played.

 

I don't hate the long ball. I actually like it well enough. I just don't put as much value on it as you dudes do. OBP is still king.

[Kimmi]

According to Kimmi, giving up 1 low single A player would be an overpay, because any team could have had him for nothing by just claiming him off waivers.

 

They could have provided the Marlins were looking for a straight salary dump. My point is, what do claiming teams have to lose if they are willing to take that monstrous contract?

[Kimmi]

They didn't want him this year, because they wanted to reset the tax. That's not true for next year.

 

Right. That's what I meant. They might be willing to take him for next year, now that they've reset the penalty.

[moonslav59]

No, I realize how good a hitter Stanton is. I know that carries a higher OPS than any of our starters. I still think that some people have fallen overly in love with his home runs. And he's having what may be a career year. Or, he could be hitting his prime. We really don't know.

 

This is not an outlier season.

 

This will be the thrid year he's led the league in slugging.

 

His career SLG is .553.

His career OBP is .360

His .913 career OPS is about 120 points better than any current Sox player's 2017 OPS.

 

As for his HR power. HRs per 162 Games:

2017: 60

2016: 37

2015: 59

2014: 41

2013: 33

2012: 48

 

His power is real.

His power is proven,

 

Only his health and contract cost are serious issues.

 

 

My point is that I don't think Stanton worth the contract PLUS the players that we will have to give up. I'll stick with Beni, who is a darn good player in his own right.

 

I thought we could get him for nothing- just pay all his contract.

 

(BTW, we can afford him next year and still stay below the second luxury tax penalty line.)

Edited September 24, 2017 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

This made me literally LOL Well played.

 

I don't hate the long ball. I actually like it well enough. I just don't put as much value on it as you dudes do. OBP is still king.

 

Chicks dig the walk.

[Emp9]

No thanks. Then again, I don't think Stanton is as good as some people think he is. He's very good, no doubt. But I still think some are overly star struck by his homerun hitting this year.

 

Naw, not me. I can remember wanting to trade for Stanton well before his massive contract thinking he'd have a year like this (only with us). Not a huge deal though, 'cause I love our OF as is.

[Nick]

According to Kimmi, giving up 1 low single A player would be an overpay, because any team could have had him for nothing by just claiming him off waivers.

 

You guys do know that Marlins would have two days to simply rescind the waiver right? This is done usually to gauge interest in the player being placed on waivers.

 

Red Sox can place Hanley on a waiver. I doubt anyone would claim him and his contract.

[oldtimer]

You guys do know that Marlins would have two days to simply rescind the waiver right? This is done usually to gauge interest in the player being placed on waivers.

 

Red Sox can place Hanley on a waiver. I doubt anyone would claim him and his contract.

 

True, and so far no one has bitten on the Stanton waiver.