Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[Kimmi]

Why are we afraid to trot out Devers? Lin came up and performed better than expected. All Devers has to do is what he's been doing.

 

IT COSTS US NOTHING TO HAVE A LOOK. NOTHING. MEANWHILE WE'RE GOING TO EXPEND MONEY AND PROSPECTS FOR A RENTAL. UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE.

 

Saying that it costs us nothing is not really a true statement.

 

FWIW, I largely agree with you from the standpoint of giving up prospects and money for a rental player, but that all depends on the cost. There are some advantages to making a trade, even if it's only a marginal upgrade. One is getting a player with some veteran experience on an already young team. Two is adding some insurance/depth.

 

Dombrowski is going to give due diligence to the trade market. Devers will be called up if the FO believes that he is our best option.

[Kimmi]

I don't think the Sox will get Robertson. If they get Frazier, I hope it's on the cheap. Otherwise, it's a waste of prospects to me. If he was on a longer deal and they wanted to move him to 1b, I'd understand the trade.

 

They might go with a lesser reliever than Robertson if the cost for Robertson is too high. I'm not really a fan of getting Frazier, but again, it all depends on the cost. I would rather go with the status quo than overpay for a marginal upgrade.

[Emp9]

I said it in the beginning and I'll say it now. The Sox need a late inning reliever and a 3B who can hit NOW.

 

If you can get Frazier/Robertson without giving up Groome/Devers.........you do it.

 

Sometimes just being a power threat (without the actual power) can prove beneficial. And like someone else said, I wouldn't complain if we got Frazier (considering our tight budget and options). Robertson may be a bridge too far, but Justin Wilson & Pat Neshek have also been trade rumors.

[mvp 78]

They might go with a lesser reliever than Robertson if the cost for Robertson is too high. I'm not really a fan of getting Frazier, but again, it all depends on the cost. I would rather go with the status quo than overpay for a marginal upgrade.

 

Yup, Sox don't really have a great history with deadline deals being worth it (except for one day in 2004).

[sk7326]

The Red Sox have a viable path ahead at 3B - so I think they'll be able to outwait the ChiSox for a Frazier.

[mvp 78]

They might go with a lesser reliever than Robertson if the cost for Robertson is too high. I'm not really a fan of getting Frazier, but again, it all depends on the cost. I would rather go with the status quo than overpay for a marginal upgrade.

 

@redsoxstats

 

A lot of Robertson talk yesterday, but I'd think the Sox are more interested in attaching Kahnle to Frazier if going to trade real prospects

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11384&position=P

[Bellhorn04]

Yup, Sox don't really have a great history with deadline deals being worth it (except for one day in 2004).

 

I know some feel differently, but I still think the trade for Peavy in 2013 was a good one.

[Bellhorn04]

According to the NY Post the Yankees are making a big play for Frazier and Robertson.

[a700hitter]

According to the NY Post the Yankees are making a big play for Frazier and Robertson.

They are driving up the price.

[mvp 78]

I know some feel differently, but I still think the trade for Peavy in 2013 was a good one.

 

I wouldn't put it in a "bad" column. It was fine.

[S5Dewey]

I know some feel differently, but I still think the trade for Peavy in 2013 was a good one.

 

Grrrrr.

[harmony]

Yup, Sox don't really have a great history with deadline deals being worth it (except for one day in 2004).

Let's not forget 1997:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/slocuhe01.shtml#all_transactions_other

 

[mvp 78]

Let's not forget 1997:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/slocuhe01.shtml#all_transactions_other

 

 

Eck: "That's history, pal!"

[MADSTORK]

I don't know what the exact figures are, but my understanding is that we have about $6 mil to spare and acquiring Frazier and Robertson would cost us about $8 mil. I read yesterday that getting both would put us over. I may very well be misinformed.

 

 

You would have to figure a few million over should not be a big deal?

 

I call on Donaldson. Maybe Toronto has cashed it in this year and next. 1 year left at $18 in 2018. Would be the middle of the order player they need with plus plus power.....

Edited July 17, 2017 by MADSTORK

[MADSTORK]

They might go with a lesser reliever than Robertson if the cost for Robertson is too high. I'm not really a fan of getting Frazier, but again, it all depends on the cost. I would rather go with the status quo than overpay for a marginal upgrade.

 

Your right on Frazier.. Bite the bullet at third and call up Devers. The track record has been pretty good the playoff years calling up a legit prospect. Ellsbury, XB, Benny last year. Is Devers that good?

 

I thought I heard the Sox were scouting Neshek?

[Hugh2]

Saying that it costs us nothing is not really a true statement.

 

FWIW, I largely agree with you from the standpoint of giving up prospects and money for a rental player, but that all depends on the cost. There are some advantages to making a trade, even if it's only a marginal upgrade. One is getting a player with some veteran experience on an already young team. Two is adding some insurance/depth.

 

Dombrowski is going to give due diligence to the trade market. Devers will be called up if the FO believes that he is our best option.

 

The Sox have a plan with every prospect, and they aren't going to accelerate that plan and screw with a guys development just because the big league club needs help.

 

Now I also happen to think the Sox believe that giving a guy a month worth of at bats at a level that is going to challenge him and he may not be ready for is not going to screw up his development. They can always start him off in AAA again next year. It's an issue now though because if he isn't ready for the show yet he is losing at bats and developmental time at a more appropriate level.

 

But it's hard to imagine that the Sox don't view Devers as being close to ready and could promote him sooner than a September call-up if he's performing well in Pawtucket and they still have concern at the position in a month from now.

[BstHcpr]

I don't think the Sox will get Robertson. If they get Frazier, I hope it's on the cheap. Otherwise, it's a waste of prospects to me. If he was on a longer deal and they wanted to move him to 1b, I'd understand the trade.

 

They probably can get him for a Trey Ball type.

[a700hitter]

What about trading Castillo if they take his salary. He has been playing well and made the All Star team.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

How about M.Chavis and B.Johnson to the A's for Y.Alonso? Am I giving up too much, not enough? B.Johnson is out of options next year and the Red Sox don't have a spot for him in their rotation. The A's might be interested in giving him a shot. The A's will want a high upside prospect for Alonso, which is why I included Chavis.

[a700hitter]

How about M.Chavis and B.Johnson to the A's for Y.Alonso? Am I giving up too much, not enough? B.Johnson is out of options next year and the Red Sox don't have a spot for him in their rotation. The A's might be interested in giving him a shot. The A's will want a high upside prospect for Alonso, which is why I included Chavis.

To platoon him with Moreland?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Moreland has fallen off the cliff in the month of July. He moves to the bench. Alonso takes over 1b, a true middle of the order bat, putting up big numbers this season. Moreland will provide quality depth and will give Hanley a day off from time to time against certain RHP.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The moves:

(1) Release C.Young and promote Brentz

(2) B.Johnson and M.Chavis to the A's for Y.Alonso

(3) M.Shawaryn to the Giants for E.Nunez

 

Lineup against RHP

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Alonso (1b)

Ramirez (DH)*

Benintendi (LF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Bradley (CF)

Vazquez ©

 

*Moreland will get an occasional start against RHP, with Alonso moving to DH, and Hanley to the bench

 

LINEUP against LHP

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (LF)

Alonso (1b)

Ramirez (DH)

Bradley (CF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Brentz (LF)

Vazquez ©

[sk7326]

Moreland has fallen off the cliff in the month of July. He moves to the bench. Alonso takes over 1b, a true middle of the order bat, putting up big numbers this season. Moreland will provide quality depth and will give Hanley a day off from time to time against certain RHP.

 

Moreland has this issue in that he is just not very good

 

I think trading for any corner bat makes sense - but you have to consider 1B something to shore up as well.

[Hugh2]

They probably can get him for a Trey Ball type.

 

A team is not going to give you an everyday productive position player for a guy who profiles as an up/down reliever (at best). Trey Balls draft slot carrys zero value at this point.

 

You will have to give up a real prospect to get anything of value that will help us down the stretch this year.

[harmony]

What about trading Castillo if they take his salary. He has been playing well and made the All Star team.

This year Rusney Castillo will be paid upwards of twice as much ($11.27 million) as Oakland's top-paid player (Jed Lowrie, $6.5 million).

 

Perhaps if the Red Sox package the 30-year-old Castillo with Rafael Devers.

[Hugh2]

If another team is looking for power we could have competition for a guy like Alonso, and if this year is the outlier someone could end up paying a steep price for him.

 

He's the type of guy I would like the Sox to look into but don't get into a bidding war over the guy.

[a700hitter]

This year Rusney Castillo will be paid upwards of twice as much ($11.27 million) as Oakland's top-paid player (Jed Lowrie, $6.5 million).

 

Perhaps if the Red Sox package the 30-year-old Castillo with Rafael Devers.

$11.27 million? WTH was Ben thinking. It must have been a Larry move.

[mvp 78]

How about M.Chavis and B.Johnson to the A's for Y.Alonso? Am I giving up too much, not enough? B.Johnson is out of options next year and the Red Sox don't have a spot for him in their rotation. The A's might be interested in giving him a shot. The A's will want a high upside prospect for Alonso, which is why I included Chavis.

 

Alonso doesn't have a track record long enough for me to want to give up Chavis for him.

[Nick]

This year Rusney Castillo will be paid upwards of twice as much ($11.27 million) as Oakland's top-paid player (Jed Lowrie, $6.5 million).

 

Perhaps if the Red Sox package the 30-year-old Castillo with Rafael Devers.

 

nice thrown in...lol

[harmony]

Alonso doesn't have a track record long enough for me to want to give up Chavis for him.

Michael Chavis does not have a long enough track record for the Athletics to trade Yonder Alonso for him.