Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[Nick]

All good points. The Sox were not going to match Texas' 6 year contract, taking Beltre into his mid to late 30s, and rightly so.

 

Another big reason they let Beltre go was for the draft picks. Theo was all about the draft picks when letting free agents walk. And who did the Sox draft with those comp picks? Jackie Bradley Jr. and Blake Swihart, so it's not all bad.

 

Good catch........I also think it was never intended by either party to get into a long term deal. Perfect opportunity for Beltre to showcase his talents and for Red Sox to have a solid player at 3B. Little bit like Moreland for the Sox this year. Obviously Moreland isn't the player Beltre was few years ago.

[Bellhorn04]

A few things about Beltre and why he left:

 

1. Beltre came to the Sox on a one-year deal for the 2011 season to resurrect his career; as I recall, he was coming off an injury and took a substantial pay cut (25-30%) from his previous contract with the Mariners. He had every intent of going free agent after that season.

 

2. His agent was Scott Boras, so resigning him was not going to be easy.

 

3. While he performed well here, I'm not sure he liked playing in Boston; he really wanted to play on the west cost and settled on the Rangers.

 

4. They had Will Middlebrooks ready from the minors, and he (Middlebrooks) performed pretty well for the half season he played (OPS of .835, 15 homers and 54 RBIs in 75 games). Unfortunately, that was the highwater mark of his career, but at the time he represented big power at a very low cost.

 

And the biggest reason of all:

 

5. The Sox had a money crunch. 2012 was the year Adrian Gonzalez's contract escalated from around $6 million to over $20 million. The Sox also resigned David Ortiz that same season. Lackey and Beckett were in the middle of large contracts and they had a lot of $ tied up in Carl Crawford.

 

You're off by a year. Beltre was with the Sox for the 2010 season. The plan for 2011 was Youk at third. When Youk faded Middlebrooks replaced him in 2012.

[Bellhorn04]

Personally I think Theo underestimated Beltre, probably thrown off by Beltre's numbers with Seattle.

[OH FOY]

I agree, it was about the Draft picks for Theo, he used FA, to help build the Farm. Edited July 11, 2017 by OH FOY!

[harmony]

All good points. The Sox were not going to match Texas' 6 year contract, taking Beltre into his mid to late 30s, and rightly so.

 

Another big reason they let Beltre go was for the draft picks. Theo was all about the draft picks when letting free agents walk. And who did the Sox draft with those comp picks? Jackie Bradley Jr. and Blake Swihart, so it's not all bad.

That antiquated system of compensatory draft picks gave the Mariners only a single supplemental first-round draft pick when Adrian Beltre left the hitting-suppressed environment of Seattle for Boston. The Mariners used that pick to select righthander Taijuan Walker, who last offseason was flipped with Ketel Marte to Arizona for Jean Segura, Mitch Haniger and Zac Curtis.

 

To borrow Kimmi's words: So it's not all bad.

[mvp 78]

You're off by a year. Beltre was with the Sox for the 2010 season. The plan for 2011 was Youk at third. When Youk faded Middlebrooks replaced him in 2012.

 

If Beltre was at 3rd in 2011, they make the playoffs and Theo is still the GM.

[moonslav59]

If Beltre was at 3rd in 2011, they make the playoffs and Theo is still the GM.

 

Probably true, but getting JBJ and Swihart should have been good enough. The problem was that the money saved by not bringing back Bektre and/or VMart was not spent wisely.

 

The Sox have failed with almost all their biggest signings. Even the Manny signing, which helped bring us 2 rings looked bad at the end.

(I might have missed a few.)

$217M/7 Price (Jury out, but expected better at the front end of this deal--so far.)

$160M/8 Manny (great signing that ended badly, but it was worth every penny.

$154M/7 AGon (Having AGon allowed us to dump CC. He has not really been as great as expected since signing.)

$142M/7 Crawford (Worst signing ever.)

$95M/5 Sandoval (Horrible)

$88M/4 HRam (Looking pretty bad.)

$82.5M/4 Porcello (Won Cy Young the first year.)

$82.5 Lackey (Up and down- hurt and healthy.0

$70M/5 JD Drew (One of the most debated signings and varying degrees of opinions on what he gave us.)

$52M/6 Dice-K +plus a hefty posting fee (Overall, a bad deal.)

$40M/4 Edgar Renteria (ended up costing over $20M/1- another bad deal)

$39M Victorino (Great for one year, then kaput.)

$36M/4 Julio Lugo (Failed to meet expectations.)

$32M/2 Napoli (He made $13M/1 the year before-some with bonuses)

$31M/4 J Damon (Great signing.)

$26M/4 Jose Offerman (Horrible)

$25.8M Matt Clement (Injury hurt this deal)

$19M/3 Keith Foulke (One magical season made this worth it, but he fell off a cliff afterwards.)

[mvp 78]

Swihart is a nothingburger. Sad!

[Jasonbay44]

I don't care how it ended, that Manny deal was one of the best signings the team has ever made. His bad "ending" was overblown.

[moonslav59]

I don't care how it ended, that Manny deal was one of the best signings the team has ever made. His bad "ending" was overblown.

 

I totally agree, and the ending was partially brought on by management's playing to the media to make Manny look like a injury-faker.

[Bellhorn04]

I totally agree, and the ending was partially brought on by management's playing to the media to make Manny look like a injury-faker.

 

I think Manny forced the ending on management. But we shouldn't even dwell on that. I also believe signing Manny was one of the most important factors in the years of success that followed.

[bowman]

Why did someone have to remind me of Will Middlebrooks lol...

[a700hitter]

Why did someone have to remind me of Will Middlebrooks lol...

I blame SoxFan Forsyth

[moonslav59]

I think Manny forced the ending on management. But we shouldn't even dwell on that. I also believe signing Manny was one of the most important factors in the years of success that followed.

 

Manny was a huge factor in the Red Sox turn-around.

 

I started a thread on that "other site", perhaps one of the longest most response threads ever, titled "No Manny- No Rings".

 

I loved Manny.

 

I know he brought on most of what happened at the end, but I do think Theo & Co. had a significant part in it.

[mvp 78]

I don't care how it ended, that Manny deal was one of the best signings the team has ever made. His bad "ending" was overblown.

 

The modern Red Sox Rushmore would be Manny, Ortiz, Pedro and Varitek.

[Emp9]

The modern Red Sox Rushmore would be Manny, Ortiz, Pedro and Varitek.

 

...with Millar coming soon (under construction).

[notin]

The modern Red Sox Rushmore would be Manny, Ortiz, Pedro and Varitek.

 

Varitek over Pedroia?

[mvp 78]

Varitek over Pedroia?

 

Yes. Pedroia would be an honorable mention. Varitek gets in because of his 2 rings, times as being a captain and the timeless ARod glove punch. Pedroia has had a much better career.

[mvp 78]

...with Millar coming soon (under construction).

 

Nah. Meuller was more important than Millar, imo. Neither would be in the top 10 though.

[illinoisredsox]

You're off by a year. Beltre was with the Sox for the 2010 season. The plan for 2011 was Youk at third. When Youk faded Middlebrooks replaced him in 2012.

 

Yep, my bad. Stiill, as Kimmi said, the Sox were not going to match Texas' 6 year contract.

[moonslav59]

Yes. Pedroia would be an honorable mention. Varitek gets in because of his 2 rings, times as being a captain and the timeless ARod glove punch. Pedroia has had a much better career.

 

I agree. VTek was very important in getting the best out of those pitching staffs.

 

Pedey has been solid for a long time, but VTek was a huge part of those two rings.

[moonslav59]

Speaking of Mount Rusmore, here are some arbitrarily picked 10 year spans in Sox history and my choices for rock faces:

 

1963-1972: Yaz, Petrocelli, Tony C, Lonborg (Smith, Scott?)

1973-1982: Tiant, Lynn, Rice, Evans (Bill Lee, Eckersley?)

1983-1992: Boggs, Clemens, Rice, Hurst (Stanley?)

1993-2002: Clemens, Pedro, Nomar, Vaughn (Valantin?)

2003-2012: Manny, Ortiz, Pedro, VTek (Lester, Schilling, Pedey, Beckett, Paplebon, Wakefield, DeLowe?)

2013-2022 (projected): Betts, Bogey, JBJ, Sale (Pedey, Price, Kimbrel?)

[moonslav59]

All time Red Sox Rushmores...

 

Pitching:

Young, Pedro, Clemens, Grove (Tiant, Lester)

 

Batting:

Williams, Yaz, Ortiz, Boggs (Evans, Speaker)

 

Overall:

Williams, Young, Yaz, Pedro (Clemens, Ortiz)

 

[Spudboy]

Why did someone have to remind me of Will Middlebrooks lol...

 

We would be better served if we started calling him Mr. Dell from now on.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

All time Red Sox Rushmores...

 

Overall:

Williams, Young, Yaz, Pedro (Clemens, Ortiz)

 

 

Great topic. For the overall, I would select Williams, Yaz, Ortiz, and Pedro.

 

I wouldn't pick Clemens due to his direct connection to steroids, criminal behavior (lying under oath to Congress), and he never won a W.S. with the Red Sox. I went with Pedro over Young. Both pitchers won one W.S. with the Red Sox but Young wears a Cleveland cap in the HOF (spent 11 years with Cleveland; 8 years with Boston) whereas Pedro wears a Boston cap in the HOF.

[moonslav59]

Great topic. For the overall, I would select Williams, Yaz, Ortiz, and Pedro.

 

I wouldn't pick Clemens due to his direct connection to steroids, criminal behavior (lying under oath to Congress), and he never won a W.S. with the Red Sox. I went with Pedro over Young. Both pitchers won one W.S. with the Red Sox but Young wears a Cleveland cap in the HOF (spent 11 years with Cleveland; 8 years with Boston) whereas Pedro wears a Boston cap in the HOF.

 

Can't argue with this.

[mvp 78]

Speaking of Mount Rusmore, here are some arbitrarily picked 10 year spans in Sox history and my choices for rock faces:

 

1963-1972: Yaz, Petrocelli, Tony C, Lonborg (Smith, Scott?)

1973-1982: Tiant, Lynn, Rice, Evans (Bill Lee, Eckersley?)

1983-1992: Boggs, Clemens, Rice, Hurst (Stanley?)

1993-2002: Clemens, Pedro, Nomar, Vaughn (Valantin?)

2003-2012: Manny, Ortiz, Pedro, VTek (Lester, Schilling, Pedey, Beckett, Paplebon, Wakefield, DeLowe?)

2013-2022 (projected): Betts, Bogey, JBJ, Sale (Pedey, Price, Kimbrel?)

 

80's: Rice, Evans, Clemens, Boggs

90's: Clemens, Pedro, Nomar, Mo

10's: Ortiz, Pedroia, Lester, Betts

[moonslav59]

80's: Rice, Evans, Clemens, Boggs

90's: Clemens, Pedro, Nomar, Mo

00's: Ortiz, Pedroia, Lester, Betts

 

I corrected this for you.

 

'10s > '00s

'

But, Betts shouldn't be in the '00's range.

[mvp 78]

Great topic. For the overall, I would select Williams, Yaz, Ortiz, and Pedro.

 

I wouldn't pick Clemens due to his direct connection to steroids, criminal behavior (lying under oath to Congress), and he never won a W.S. with the Red Sox. I went with Pedro over Young. Both pitchers won one W.S. with the Red Sox but Young wears a Cleveland cap in the HOF (spent 11 years with Cleveland; 8 years with Boston) whereas Pedro wears a Boston cap in the HOF.

 

I agree with your picks for all time for sure.

[mvp 78]

I corrected this for you.

 

'10s > '00s

'

But, Betts shouldn't be in the '00's range.

 

I had already made my 00's list. Betts was part of my 10's list. It just so happens that my 00's list (Tek, Pedro, Manny, Ortiz) would also be my 70's - 10's list.