Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[moonslav59]

My bad. You're right.

 

And as an interesting sidelight the Pawtucket Red Sox has no player listed on their roster as either a SS or a 1B.

 

Maybe you were thinking of Chatham.

[moonslav59]

Although this team lacks power, I think Chavis might be the guy we end up trading for a 3B rental. We may add a mid tier pitching prospect or two to get somone better, but I don't see (want) us trading Devers, Travis or Groome.

 

Whether we reset the luxury tax this year or next, and it almost certainly has to be this year or next, we will need Travis to replace Moreland's contract with a minimum one and Devers to replace Young's. Either Holt or Brentz might be our 4th OF'er, but I don't see us doing anything significant with free agency next winter, possibly even if we reset the tax this year.

 

[OH FOY]

Dombrowski goes for any more Relievers,, we'll have no Farm left. In 1st place, do nothing. So many injuries, still don't know what this team is capable of. See what Peralta, Pablo, and Devers does.

Also Workman has been Pitching real good down at Pawtucket, as a set-up guy. Give him a shot if needed.

Edited June 30, 2017 by OH FOY!

[mvp 78]

I'm with Kimmi....ultimately she's the most rational poster here

 

What's fun about being rational?

[Bellhorn04]

I love all rumors and innuendo around this time.

 

I'm pretty much the same.

[mvp 78]

I'm pretty much the same.

 

As long as you take everything with a grain of salt, it can be a fun time.

[Hugh2]

And often times they're pipe dreams put out there by some writer who thinks "this would be a good idea!" and it somehow gets traction. Often times it comes from media people, one of whom would say, "What do you think the Red Sox biggest need is?" and they get the reply, "They should be looking to get a player like Machado." Suddenly someone else reports that the Sox are serious about Machado, which may be no where near the truth.

 

I realize that it's the job of writers to report news but I wish they'd be a bit more judicious in what they report as news. Otherwise it's fake news.

 

Oh I agree, but I'm not sure we can ever be certain what is made up and what is real rumors (or at least I always can't). How often to hear about our interest in some all star caliber player that was just never realistic (Like Felix Hernandez) and then it sounds like the same hype for over a year but we land Adrian Gonzalez in a trade?

 

I think some of it comes down to the sources as well. Some guy writing on the bleacher report has more of an incentive to make stuff up where's someone working for Baseball America or ESPN could (or at least should) lose their job for spreading false rumors.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Although this team lacks power, I think Chavis might be the guy we end up trading for a 3B rental. We may add a mid tier pitching prospect or two to get somone better, but I don't see (want) us trading Devers, Travis or Groome.

 

 

I hope the Red Sox hold on to Devers and Groome. I don't feel that way about Travis, however. Travis seems pretty mediocre to me, with mediocre upside. He has never put up an OPS above .900 in the minors. It sounds like he is OK defensively, but he is no Keith Hernandez with the glove. I just don't see a lot of upside in Travis. I would be willing to trade him, knowing that I can sign someone in free agency who will be just as good if not better.

[Jack Flap]

I love all rumors and innuendo around this time.

 

Same...this is a very fun time of year, as is the height of offseason activity around the winter meetings.

 

 

As for trade rumors being "fake news," I think it's all relative and depends on the details. I take a random, isolated report with a big grain of salt, but when you see a team and a player linked repeatedly over a period of time (say, as we were with Sale for about 6 months before he was ultimately acquired), it's probably safe to say there's something there.

[moonslav59]

I hope the Red Sox hold on to Devers and Groome. I don't feel that way about Travis, however. Travis seems pretty mediocre to me, with mediocre upside. He has never put up an OPS above .900 in the minors. It sounds like he is OK defensively, but he is no Keith Hernandez with the glove. I just don't see a lot of upside in Travis. I would be willing to trade him, knowing that I can sign someone in free agency who will be just as good if not better.

 

I certainly prefer keeping Devers and Groome over Travis, but with Moreland and Young's contracts up after this season, we'll need a cheap bat to join the 25 man roster next year.

 

I see Devers, Travis and maybe Holt (if healthy) or Brentz (if Holt is not healthy), or maybe even Swihart taking the roster places of Moreland, Young and Marrero/Lin.

 

We may sign a cheap FA corner IF'er or someone who can play 3B, 1B and LF, but I'd love to see us be able to get by without spending any money on corner IF'ers this winter. Use all the available money to keep our pitching staff strong.

 

Next years projected 25 man roster:

 

SP (6): Sale, Price, ERod, Porcello, Pom, Wright

RP (6): Kimbrel, Kelly, Smith, Thornburg, Barnes, Hembree

C (2): Vazquez, Leon (or Swihart)

1B (2): Travis, HRam (DH)

2B : Pedroia

3B: Devers

SS: Bogaerts

IF: Hernandez (or Holt/Rutledge/Pablo or Lin/Marrero)

OF: Holt (or Brentz or FA pick-up that might also play 3B/1B)

LF: Benintendi

CF: Bradley

RF: Betts

 

Let's assume bold are the 25, this is what's on the farm

 

(Gone: Pablo & Rutledge)

SP: Groome, Johnson, Velazquez, Owens, Beeks, Stanki, Lakins, Raudes, TBall, Buttrey, Cosart

RP: Ross, Scott, Elias, N Ramirez, Taylor, Maddox, Workman, Martin, Anderson, Mata, Hernandezz, Callahan, Nogosek, Shepherd, Ysla

C: Swihart, Romanski, A Rei

1B: Longhi, Ockimey

2B: Lin

3B: Marrero, Dalbec

SS: Hernandez, Chatham

LF: Brentz, kemp, T Hill

RF: Taverez, Washington, Mars

DH: Witte, Chavis

[cp176]

I would hope that they would not trade anyone for a rental player to finish out this season. You want to trade a Devers or a Chavis - ok - but you better get someone for 3 who has some talent. As long as they are hanging in there, I doubt we see a trade of any magnitude. Who would be that one guy who would make that much of a difference? If he is out there, great go get him but if he isn't sit tight . We are what we are.

[Dojji]

If you want the guy who would make a difference, I don't know who that guy would be other than Mike Moustakas.

[cp176]

If you want the guy who would make a difference, I don't know who that guy would be other than Mike Moustakas.

 

he would be the only one and I'm not all that sure that he would be that much of a difference maker. It would stabilize things for awhile for sure but would it get us a ticket to the "big show"?

[Nick]

Remember the blockbuster Herschel Walker trade?

 

How about Machado for entire Portland Sea Dogs roster?

[a700hitter]

Red Sox finally put Allen Craig out of his misery. This should have been done a year ago. Castillo will eventually meet the same fate.

[mvp 78]

Red Sox finally put Allen Craig out of his misery. This should have been done a year ago. Castillo will eventually meet the same fate.

 

Castillo can actually play though.

[Dojji]

he would be the only one and I'm not all that sure that he would be that much of a difference maker. It would stabilize things for awhile for sure but would it get us a ticket to the "big show"?

 

Look at the competition as third base. As relatively subpar as Moustakas looks, he's probably the BPA. Offense is just down this year. As much as our offense isn't what it was during the Ortiz era, it's still among the best in baseball, despite the sucking chest wound at third base.

 

And speaking of sucking chest wounds you could make more mileage out of replacing garbage with Moustakas than you could with replacing any other player on the roster with a superstar. Replacing negative production with above average production is the biggest value spread possible on this roster right now.

[a700hitter]

Castillo can actually play though.

He's a AAAA with no future on the Red Sox and he has the luxury tax/40 man roster issue hanging around his neck. No other team is going to pay his salary. I think that it inevitable that the Red Sox release him before his contract is up. Also, he's 30 years old.

[moonslav59]

Top 3Bmen by WAR since 2015:

 

17.7 Bryant

17.5 Donaldson

14.8 Machado

12.9 Turner

12.2 Arenado

11.6 Beltre

10.6 Seager

10.1 Longoria

9.4 Carpenter

9.1 Rendon

8.4 Ramirez

7.7 Frazier

6.7 Lamb

6.4 Prado

6.2 Kang

6.0 Duffy

5.9 Moustakas (#17)

 

(In fairness, fangraphs has Mouse listed as 31st in PAs by 3Bmen, so being 17th in WAR is better than it looks.)

 

While I think Mouse is better than an average 3Bman, I would not overpay for 2 months of his services.

 

 

 

[S5Dewey]

Agree. With the shape of our minors now we can't afford to give up any more talent for a rental

[Spudboy]

If you want the guy who would make a difference, I don't know who that guy would be other than Mike Moustakas.

 

Well in theory anyone could be traded aside from the guys with no trade clauses and or other restrictions on their status.

 

I doubt that the Sox go big on a deadline deal but one never knows.

 

Maybe they make an off radar Blockbuster.

[OH FOY]

Funny that Machado only played 4 games in the Minors at 3rd base.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

he would be the only one and I'm not all that sure that he would be that much of a difference maker. It would stabilize things for awhile for sure but would it get us a ticket to the "big show"?

 

Well....the Red Sox need a starting 3b and Moustakas is one of the better 3b in baseball this year. He is exactly what the Red Sox need and he would significantly upgrade the position. But I don't think the Royals are going to make him available. The Royals are in striking distance of the playoffs. I think D.Moore wants to make one more run this year, knowing the rebuild begins next year. If the Royals hold on to Moustakas, they will get a draft pick in free agency.

 

J.Donaldson's name has been thrown around. But he will probably cost Devers or Groome if not both.

 

I'm not sure why the Red Sox have not yet made a trade for a 3b--a Lowrie or Nunez, for example. Perhaps they are waiting for the Royals to take a definite position on Moustakas? I would like to see the Red Sox acquire a starting 3b now, and then wait until the trade deadline to decide if they need to upgrade the DH spot with a guy like J.Bruce. Even though Moustakas is the player I want, I don't think the Royals are trading him.

Edited July 1, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[cp176]

Top 3Bmen by WAR since 2015:

 

17.7 Bryant

17.5 Donaldson

14.8 Machado

12.9 Turner

12.2 Arenado

11.6 Beltre

10.6 Seager

10.1 Longoria

9.4 Carpenter

9.1 Rendon

8.4 Ramirez

7.7 Frazier

6.7 Lamb

6.4 Prado

6.2 Kang

6.0 Duffy

5.9 Moustakas (#17)

 

(In fairness, fangraphs has Mouse listed as 31st in PAs by 3Bmen, so being 17th in WAR is better than it looks.)

 

While I think Mouse is better than an average 3Bman, I would not overpay for 2 months of his services.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't sign any of these guys for just this year if it took anything more than money. Why would anyone do that? It would simply smack of desperation and would make no sense at all for a team leading their division - None!

A trade comes with a contract. If it is Moustakis, he is your third baseman going forward.

[oldtimer]

I wouldn't sign any of these guys for just this year if it took anything more than money. Why would anyone do that? It would simply smack of desperation and would make no sense at all for a team leading their division - None!

A trade comes with a contract. If it is Moustakis, he is your third baseman going forward.

 

Still unsure why the Sox are keeping Devers down. If he is the 3rd baseman of the future, what is the real holdup? Please don't trade him for some rental player.

[bowman]

Thinking outside the box, maybe we unload Price while he is starting to show his form again. I know a lot of people will think of this as crazy, but if we can get EROD back and in the rotation and the player coming back in the trade will have a big impact in our line up, do it now. Not sure with the recent blowups Price has had with the media will put a red flag, but any National league team would probably give up good value to get him. We all know he shuts it down in the post season. " Just a thought "........

[Hugh2]

Still unsure why the Sox are keeping Devers down. If he is the 3rd baseman of the future, what is the real holdup? Please don't trade him for some rental player.

 

Because they view him as the 3B of the future they aren't going to screw with his progression. Which makes sense. Patience, his time will come soon. A promotion to Pawtucket is likely within the next two weeks.

[Hugh2]

It would be rather ironic if this team had no issues at gutting the farm system to build a league contender but was reluctant to trade pieces to put us over the top and fix some fatal flaws.

 

It's like spending 250K on a Lamborghini but unwilling to spend a little extra on a 4th tire so you can actually drive it.

 

Most who know me or remember knew how against I was depleting the farm but we've already thrown 95% of our eggs in one basket. We have a significantly better chance at winning the next three years than we do the following three years after that.

 

You reap what you sow. I'm not advocating trading elite guys like Devers or Groome but if the right trade is there no one should be off the table.

[Bellhorn04]

It would be rather ironic if this team had no issues at gutting the farm system to build a league contender but was reluctant to trade pieces to put us over the top and fix some fatal flaws.

 

It's like spending 250K on a Lamborghini but unwilling to spend a little extra on a 4th tire so you can actually drive it.

 

Most who know me or remember knew how against I was depleting the farm but we've already thrown 95% of our eggs in one basket. We have a significantly better chance at winning the next three years than we do the following three years after that.

 

You reap what you sow. I'm not advocating trading elite guys like Devers or Groome but if the right trade is there no one should be off the table.

 

We don't necessarily have any fatal flaws. Our pitching looks good enough. The problem area is 3B but just about every team has a weak spot somewhere.

[Hugh2]

We don't necessarily have any fatal flaws. Our pitching looks good enough. The problem area is 3B but just about every team has a weak spot somewhere.

 

Good enough rarely gets you a WS, am I right or am I right? Fatal flaw? Idk, but let's not argue the semantics.

 

A lot of teams about as good as us and arguably better will improve at the deadline. It would have been a shame to trade away the future to end up in 4th place