Joe Kelly

[Bellhorn04]

He's a volatile, unreliable little bastard just like Clay.

[cp176]

He's a volatile, unreliable little bastard just like Clay.

 

He is one of the twins right - 2 little bastards! lol

[notin]

Kimbrel had more walks than hits in 2016. That's a control problem.

 

Kelly gave up more hits than walks. That's a command problem.

 

It can certainly work that way, yes..

[Benintendi]

Control is the ability to throw the ball in the strike zone when you want to.

Command is the ability to throw the ball in the strike zone where you want to.

Edited April 11, 2017 by Benintendi
Strike that. Reverse it. Reverse it again. I was correct the first time.

[Bellhorn04]

Control is the ability to throw the ball in the strike zone when you want to.

Command is the ability to throw the ball in the strike zone where you want to.

 

Personally I think control and command are the same thing and that at some point sports announcers started using command because it sounded cooler.

[Kimmi]

Personally I think control and command are the same thing and that at some point sports announcers started using command because it sounded cooler.

 

LOL I don't really see the difference either.

[Fisk]

Personally I think control and command are the same thing and that at some point sports announcers started using command because it sounded cooler.

 

I agree

[Benintendi]

Yes . As far as actual definitions, they basically are the same thing. The literal definition of command is " the ability to control." But as far as pitching & sports go, they are not the same. Maybe nitpicky yes, but they are different. But in the above post,I had it backwards. So i fissed it. (My 3 year old grandson, (i have 9 grandchildren), brings me his broken toys all the time and says "fissit")

 

2 dart players. Both can hit the outer bull at will. They both have command of the darts. One can hit the inner bull MUCH more often. He has better control of the darts. THATS the difference.

Edited April 10, 2017 by Benintendi

[Emp9]

“The pitchers ‘command’ means that his pitches are doing what he wants them to do. If his intent is to throw a curve ball, then the ball will curve. The pitcher has ‘control’ when the pitches he throws are staying in the strike zone like he wants. If he wants to throw a ball, then he is throwing balls.”

 

Command means “your curveball can curve, your breaking ball can break, your slider will slide, and your fastball is fast…. however if you can’t get it over the plate (or reasonably within range), you have no ‘control’.”

[Emp9]

I've had these discussions/sometimes arguments over the whole Control/Command topic. I find "Lack of Authority over his pitches", or "Possessed Authority over his pitches", (for whatever reason), is a nice substitute... because it's not wrong and everyone gets what you're saying.

[Bellhorn04]

“The pitchers ‘command’ means that his pitches are doing what he wants them to do. If his intent is to throw a curve ball, then the ball will curve. The pitcher has ‘control’ when the pitches he throws are staying in the strike zone like he wants. If he wants to throw a ball, then he is throwing balls.”

 

Command means “your curveball can curve, your breaking ball can break, your slider will slide, and your fastball is fast…. however if you can’t get it over the plate (or reasonably within range), you have no ‘control’.”

 

Good effort, still a little dicey though. One could argue that being able to throw the curve but not being able to get it over the plate is not really 'command'.

 

One word should suffice.

[Emp9]

Good effort, still a little dicey though. One could argue that being able to throw the curve but not being able to get it over the plate is not really 'command'.

 

One word should suffice.

 

Well, he'd have Command of the pitch itself, but he'd be lacking Control (controlling it for a strike or at least the strike zone). But to each his own. I'd rather just say said pitcher lacks authority, in one way or another. There will always be a little subjectivity.

[Emp9]

Hmm, upon further thought... just about the word 'Command'. Command of the strike zone vs Command of a pitch. I think that's where things get a bit confusing.

[Spudboy]

Personally I think control and command are the same thing and that at some point sports announcers started using command because it sounded cooler.

 

LOL I don't really see the difference either.

 

I have heard several explanations and definitions but to me it just comes down to placing the ball where you want to.

 

This is not clutch-choke. You can see if a guy has either. Or if he does not.

[sk7326]

Personally I think control and command are the same thing and that at some point sports announcers started using command because it sounded cooler.

 

Control is simply throwing strikes.

 

Command I think has to do more with movement - do your pitches do what they are supposed to do. If you want the curve to go in the dirt, will it? Can't really have command without control, but you can have the reverse.

[FredLynn]

LOL I don't really see the difference either.

 

There is a key difference.........................................................................................they are spelled differently

Edited April 10, 2017 by FredLynn

[FredLynn]

Yes . As far as actual definitions, they basically are the same thing. The literal definition of command is " the ability to control." But as far as pitching & sports go, they are not the same. Maybe nitpicky yes, but they are different. But in the above post,I had it backwards. So i fissed it. (My 3 year old grandson, (i have 9 grandchildren), brings me his broken toys all the time and says "fissit")

 

2 dart players. Both can hit the outer bull at will. They both have command of the darts. One can hit the inner bull MUCH more often. He has better control of the darts. THATS the difference.

 

But why would the dart player who can hit the bullseye more often choose to hit the outer bull? There are more points awarded by hitting the bullseye. I would say that the guy who has the ability to hit the bullseye more often has better control AND command of his darts.

[Kimmi]

There is a key difference.........................................................................................they are spelled differently

 

I get what people are saying, but I still don't see the difference.

[Benintendi]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/230151-control-vs-command-whats-the-difference

 

And I re-reversed my original description. I was correct the first time.

Edited April 11, 2017 by Benintendi

[S5Dewey]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/230151-control-vs-command-whats-the-difference

 

And I re-reversed my original description. I was correct the first time.

 

...which is what Notin said back on Page 2.

[Bellhorn04]

I get what people are saying, but I still don't see the difference.

 

I sort of get it now...command of a curveball is being able to make the sucker curve sharply. Whereas in this context control is essentially the same thing as 'aim'...it's all sort of made-up but I can see a difference at least.

[S5Dewey]

I sort of get it now...command of a curveball is being able to make the sucker curve sharply. Whereas in this context control is essentially the same thing as 'aim'...it's all sort of made-up but I can see a difference at least.

 

I think of it this way. Control is being able to throw a strike. If a player doesn't have control he's in BIG trouble.

Command is being able to throw the ball where the pitcher wants it, whether it's a strike or not.

[Benintendi]

...which is what Notin said back on Page 2.

 

 

Missed it. Sorry. Old eyes. And they sucked to begin with. Had eye trouble since I was a very young 'un.

[S5Dewey]

Missed it. Sorry. Old eyes. And they sucked to begin with. Had eye trouble since I was a very young 'un.

 

It's all good. I was just pointing out that sometimes people actually agree here!!

[illinoisredsox]

But why would the dart player who can hit the bullseye more often choose to hit the outer bull? There are more points awarded by hitting the bullseye. I would say that the guy who has the ability to hit the bullseye more often has better control AND command of his darts.

 

Because the way the scoring works, the inner bullseye ring is worth 50 points and therefore the best throw is actually one that lands in the triple (inner ring) within the 20 point segment (worth 60 points). The same thrown within the 17, 18 or 19 point sections is worth more than a bullseye as well. Also, in traditional darts, you start with a fixed scored (301 points, 501) with the aim of reducing it to zero, with the last dart ending in a bullseye or the double (or outer ring) If you make a throw that reduces your total below zero, your score goes back to where it was before your turn. So just throwing bullseyes will never win you a game; you have to be able to "command" the board.

Edited April 11, 2017 by illinoisredsox

[FredLynn]

Seems like what people are referring to as "command" is just great control.

[mvp 78]

If this command vs control nonsense gets to 700 posts, God help me, I will just have to drive to Yeszir's house and will seize the means of production...

[Benintendi]

It's subtle, but there IS a difference. Control is the ability to throw a pitch in the strike zone. Command is the ability to hit a certain spot in the strike zone. Maybe it is just great control, but they call it command. It's just a word. I don't see why anyone would actually get angry over it.

[Bellhorn04]

What's really important is that a pitcher has command in the clutch.

[mvp 78]

What's really important is that a pitcher has command in the clutch.

 

!!!

 

I'll allow it!