2017 Prospect Mega Thread

[moonslav59]

Beeks threw a nice game last night. He has no put away pitch, but continues to get hitters out.

 

If he continues to throw well, I wonder if he gets a September call up.

 

If he's not traded, maybe.

[OH FOY]

Chavis got his 5th HR today.

[Larry Cook]

Beeks has to be better as a lefty reliever than abad. Let's trade abad for Frazier.

[Hugh2]

Beeks threw a nice game last night. He has no put away pitch, but continues to get hitters out.

 

If he continues to throw well, I wonder if he gets a September call up.

 

If a guy performs well in the minors but has no "put away pitch" then I seriously question his ability to make the jump to the bigs and get big league hitters out. If his stuff plays up a few MPH in a bullpen role I can see him as a good option in the 6th/7th inning.

[Larry Cook]

If a guy performs well in the minors but has no "put away pitch" then I seriously question his ability to make the jump to the bigs and get big league hitters out. If his stuff plays up a few MPH in a bullpen role I can see him as a good option in the 6th/7th inning.

 

That's is the thinking that with a little velocity kick, his stuff plays better in a limited role and maybe he becomes a 7th or 8th inning lefty.

[Larry Cook]

Ockimey with a walk off tater tonight.

[mvp 78]

Beeks has to be better as a lefty reliever than abad. Let's trade abad for Frazier.

 

Beeks is a starter. The Sox have continued to struggle developing starters so I think it would be a waste to move him off of that role. He also has a reverse split and pitches better against righties.

[BstHcpr]

Beeks has to be better as a lefty reliever than abad. Let's trade abad for Frazier.

 

Why would the White Sox want Abad?

[OH FOY]

I'm more afraid the White Sox will want a kid like Shawaryn. Don't want to lose him.

[a700hitter]

Why would the White Sox want Abad?

Maybe they want their bullpen to really stink.

[Larry Cook]

GCL Red Sox broke out the bats today. Chatham hit a tater and exited the game early,

[Larry Cook]

Chavis with another tater tonight!

[OH FOY]

Pawsox came back after giving 8 runs in the 1st inning, they won 9-8. Maybe bring them all up to Boston.

[cp176]

Oh Henry - At some point in time, the Owens experiment has to end one way or another. It just doesn't look too promising.

[Hugh2]

I'm more afraid the White Sox will want a kid like Shawaryn. Don't want to lose him.

 

I dont' ever want to lose anyone, but I'd rather give up a guy like Shawaryn if it means we keep someone like Mata.

[Spudboy]

Oh Henry - At some point in time, the Owens experiment has to end one way or another. It just doesn't look too promising.

 

The Sox have got this kid all f***ed up.

 

I would have brought in Randy Johnson as a consultant and changed his slot to side arm.

 

Yes, I know that Johnson is 6'10". But I think they could have gotten a decent reliever out of this change.

 

Another Sox prospect bust, I am afraid.

[Hugh2]

The Sox have got this kid all f***ed up.

 

I would have brought in Randy Johnson as a consultant and changed his slot to side arm.

 

Yes, I know that Johnson is 6'10". But I think they could have gotten a decent reliever out of this change.

 

Another Sox prospect bust, I am afraid.

 

The majority of prospects bust, and every team has plenty of Henry Owens....we just never know their names.

[Hugh2]

Owens did change his slot this year.

[Bellhorn04]

The majority of prospects bust, and every team has plenty of Henry Owens....we just never know their names.

 

It's true. We just seem to have a disproportionate number of pitching busts. With position players we've done pretty damn well the last 10-15 years.

[Hugh2]

It's true. We just seem to have a disproportionate number of pitching busts. With position players we've done pretty damn well the last 10-15 years.

 

Remember, you always remember your busts but you don't think of another teams busts. Some Sox fans might be familiar with Henry Owens a few years from now but 99.99% of baseball fans will not know who he is.

 

I think there are so many variables at work here and part of it is just pure luck, but we've done much better than normal at developing positional players and that is probably partially due to luck, in this case, good luck as opposed to bad on the pitching side. But part of the reason for having a farm system is to be able to trade them for needs. We might not have developed many of the pitchers on our team but we've deployed assets to build some of the best pitching in the league.

 

Also, just because guys like Henry Owens failed, don't mean that guys like Groome and Mata will fail either. Also, I believe it is worth noting that Henry Owens was never regarded as a high ceiling prospect, to begin with.

[Spudboy]

Owens did change his slot this year.

 

I am fully aware of this.

 

Did they hire Johnson and move Owen's arm down to side arm?

[Hugh2]

I am fully aware of this.

 

Did they hire Johnson and move Owen's arm down to side arm?

 

I doubt Randy Johnson is going to fix Henry Owens.

[Hugh2]

Sometimes tall guys take a much longer time to figure things out, the problem is it is impossible to get the reps needed on a team like the Red Sox who can't wait around for a guy to develop when you play in a market that is trying to win every year.

 

Henry Owens might be a good candidate for a change of scenery. But if he can't improve his control he doesn't stand a chance with an 89 MPH fastball that can't find the zone.

[Spudboy]

I doubt Randy Johnson is going to fix Henry Owens.

 

Maybe not. But I would have tried.

 

I never suggested that Johnson could make Owens into his duplicate.

 

They have the same body type and a sidewinder delivery may have better utilized Owen's lanky body.

 

Use some imagination.

[Hugh2]

Maybe not. But I would have tried.

 

I never suggested that Johnson could make Owens into his duplicate.

 

They have the same body type and a sidewinder delivery may have better utilized Owen's lanky body.

 

Use some imagination.

 

Perhaps, but there may be better options out there than Randy Johnson. Good athletes don't' always make good coaches, and Johnson has no experience in this regard as far as I know. I'm not saying it's 100% time to give up on Owens, but there isn't a silver bullet to every prospect, some guys just can't be fixed.....maybe...just maybe Owens doesn't have it in him.

[Spudboy]

Perhaps, but there may be better options out there than Randy Johnson. Good athletes don't' always make good coaches, and Johnson has no experience in this regard as far as I know. I'm not saying it's 100% time to give up on Owens, but there isn't a silver bullet to every prospect, some guys just can't be fixed.....maybe...just maybe Owens doesn't have it in him.

 

All true.

 

However, it was something that could have been investigated. Pedro is not a teacher yet they bring him into camp each year to fiddle with young pitchers. Wake has been used to help Wright. Do they come with a background as teachers or as coaches?

[Hugh2]

All true.

 

However, it was something that could have been investigated. Pedro is not a teacher yet they bring him into camp each year to fiddle with young pitchers. Wake has been used to help Wright. Do they come with a background as teachers or as coaches?

 

No, they didn't, but this point they have that background and track record. I just don't' think Johnson can fix Owens, they've already changed his delivery and it's only made his command worse. I doubt Johnson, with no coaching experience can come in an fix Owens just because he is a tall lefty that was really good at baseball.

 

Even if he could it took Johnson nearly two decades to fix himself, as he never had good control in his 20's or 30's but when you can throw 100 MPH you can get away with that much eaiser. When you throw 88-89 MPH you have zero margin for error. Henry Owens doesn't have the luxury of an electric fastball to get by while he refines his command, and I doubt he has the stuff to get by until his mid 30's.

[BstHcpr]

I think in the last decade the Red Sox have only produced Lester, Buchholz, and Papelbon. They traded away Sanchez, but are there any former Red Sox pitching prospects that excelled elsewhere?

[Hugh2]

I think in the last decade the Red Sox have only produced Lester, Buchholz, and Papelbon. They traded away Sanchez, but are there any former Red Sox pitching prospects that excelled elsewhere?

 

True, but I don't think the Sox have really drafted any high end arms in a decade either....with the exception of Casey Kelly, but then again he busted too. But he did get us Adrian Gonzalez and to be fair a string of injuries may have hampered his development. Dude should have stuck at SS.

[Bellhorn04]

I think in the last decade the Red Sox have only produced Lester, Buchholz, and Papelbon. They traded away Sanchez, but are there any former Red Sox pitching prospects that excelled elsewhere?

 

If there were you'd be hearing about it.