2017 Prospect Mega Thread

[OH FOY]

I'll keep an eye on Longhi to see if he's a fringe level prospect, while we value a kid like Lin, who cant hit his weight, and Bogearts is at SS. 2 Marrero's not a good thing. Wasn't he a big international signing?

We'll I just eat my words, got a nice hit.

Edited July 2, 2017 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

I'll keep an eye on Longhi to see if he's a fringe level prospect, while we value a kid like Lin, who cant hit his weight, and Bogearts is at SS. 2 Marrero's not a good thing.

 

I don't value Lin or Marrero highly at all.

[Hugh2]

Sox just signed Nelfy Abreu, Denny Daza, and Antoni Flores who along with Danny Diaz are all short stops.

 

Sox are cornering the international SS market

[OH FOY]

Sox just signed Nelfy Abreu, Denny Daza, and Antoni Flores who along with Danny Diaz are all short stops.

 

Sox are cornering the international SS market

 

Whats the ages?

[OH FOY]

One last Question why would you Draft 3 SS's unless your evaluation is not good? Pitchers I understand, but SS's? Also what if Bogaerts is signed long term?

[moonslav59]

One last Question why would you Draft 3 SS's unless your evaluation is not good? Pitchers I understand, but SS's? Also what if Bogaerts is signed long term?

 

The best athletes are often SSs in HS or college, but that doesn't mean they are SSs in the bigs. Guys like Yaz were SSs before joining professional ball.

 

Also, if we end up with a glut of SSs, it's easy to trade one away.

[Hugh2]

Whats the ages?

 

All 16 I believe

[jacksonianmarch]

They can all be SS's. We sign a ton of INTL SS's who clearly won't stick there long term. Some are 3b's, others are 2b's, others OFers. Calling themselves SS's gives a feeling of having more value. I remember when we signed Dermis Garcia as our top guy in 2014. He was a "SS" but was already too big for the position at 16

[Jack Flap]

All your shortstops are belong to us.

[Hugh2]

They can all be SS's. We sign a ton of INTL SS's who clearly won't stick there long term. Some are 3b's, others are 2b's, others OFers. Calling themselves SS's gives a feeling of having more value. I remember when we signed Dermis Garcia as our top guy in 2014. He was a "SS" but was already too big for the position at 16

 

I get that, some guys still develop as a SS and move off when they have too.

 

Still, with that many you have to assume they view a few of them as a 3B or 2B right now and develop them there now.

[moonslav59]

I get that, some guys still develop as a SS and move off when they have too.

 

Still, with that many you have to assume they view a few of them as a 3B or 2B right now and develop them there now.

 

Maybe. Maybe not.

 

Sometimes they keep a young prospect where he is most comfortable, even if they are near certain he will be moved off the SS position eventually.

 

Plus, the SS position is where a player holds the most value, if he can defend well enough, so keeping him at SS may keep the value highest, either within the Sox system or as trade bait for a later time.

[jacksonianmarch]

The trade bait argument is mostly moot now, though. With the amount of scouting that is done these days, most teams know if a guy can play the position they are currently occupying. It's not like teams are stashing guys in the Amazon. Their games are televised in some situations and easily reachable in others.

[OH FOY]

Good stuff, Jackson ...... I HatE THE yANKS>

[moonslav59]

The trade bait argument is mostly moot now, though. With the amount of scouting that is done these days, most teams know if a guy can play the position they are currently occupying. It's not like teams are stashing guys in the Amazon. Their games are televised in some situations and easily reachable in others.

 

True, but if a player is playing SS at a decent defensive level on the farm, his value is higher than a 2Bman or 3Bman. Teams in need of a 2Bman will often look for a SS on the farm to convert to 2B (or 3B or OF).

 

You make a good point though. Nobody fools anyone much anymore.

[cp176]

All 16 I believe

 

Good for us - seems like a lot of excitement for kids that should be juniors in high school. At what level are these young phonemes currently playing at?

[cp176]

good to see Brock Holt back in action.

[Jack Flap]

I'll keep an eye on Longhi to see if he's a fringe level prospect, while we value a kid like Lin, who cant hit his weight, and Bogearts is at SS. 2 Marrero's not a good thing. Wasn't he a big international signing?

We'll I just eat my words, got a nice hit.

Marrero was a 1st round pick for us in 2012.

 

Good for us - seems like a lot of excitement for kids that should be juniors in high school. At what level are these young phonemes currently playing at?

They would debut in the DSL next year, I would presume.

[Hugh2]

Good for us - seems like a lot of excitement for kids that should be juniors in high school. At what level are these young phonemes currently playing at?

 

Well that's the name of the game. I think to be a true lover of prospects you have to understand the further away these kids are the more paths they have to lead to failure, however, there's also more upside and more hope as well.

 

It's almost like investing your money in the stock market into a well-diversified portfolio and the international system is one piece of the puzzle that teams use to stock their farm systems.

 

These kids will go to the DSL, the good ones will come stateside after one year and play in the GCL and then they will move on to Lowell of Greenville.

 

The really good ones will skip a level. Rafael Devers moved from the DSL to the GCL in the middle of his first year in the system and skipped Lowell and went straight to Greenville the next. After spending a full season in the DSL Bryan Mata skipped botht the GCL and Lowell and is currently starting in Greenville this year.

[Hugh2]

being excited about 16 year olds playing baseball is certainly not for the faint of hearted. As the old saying goes "prospects will break your heart"

 

I enjoy it.

[Kimmi]

One last Question why would you Draft 3 SS's unless your evaluation is not good? Pitchers I understand, but SS's? Also what if Bogaerts is signed long term?

 

It is the philosophy of many teams to draft the best players/athletes, regardless of position or need. That tends to give you the most value. I don't know if that's what the Sox are doing, but the philosophy makes sense.

[Kimmi]

Good stuff, Jackson ...... I HatE THE yANKS>

 

Post of the day!

[Jack Flap]

Well that's the name of the game. I think to be a true lover of prospects you have to understand the further away these kids are the more paths they have to lead to failure, however, there's also more upside and more hope as well.

 

It's almost like investing your money in the stock market into a well-diversified portfolio and the international system is one piece of the puzzle that teams use to stock their farm systems.

 

being excited about 16 year olds playing baseball is certainly not for the faint of hearted. As the old saying goes "prospects will break your heart"

 

I enjoy it.

 

Well said. Following prospects and the farm has become something of a pleasure in and of itself for me in recent years...obviously the odds are stacked against any of these kids becoming stars or even cracking the majors at all, but it can still be fun to root for them and dream on their potential.

[moonslav59]

Upside potential is a fascinating aspect of being a fan.

[Hugh2]

Here's a short little video on the Sox signee Flores

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/ben-badler-red-sox-daniel-flores/#V4zJbvyHI0xg4m6C.97

[cp176]

Well that's the name of the game. I think to be a true lover of prospects you have to understand the further away these kids are the more paths they have to lead to failure, however, there's also more upside and more hope as well.

 

It's almost like investing your money in the stock market into a well-diversified portfolio and the international system is one piece of the puzzle that teams use to stock their farm systems.

 

These kids will go to the DSL, the good ones will come stateside after one year and play in the GCL and then they will move on to Lowell of Greenville.

 

The really good ones will skip a level. Rafael Devers moved from the DSL to the GCL in the middle of his first year in the system and skipped Lowell and went straight to Greenville the next. After spending a full season in the DSL Bryan Mata skipped botht the GCL and Lowell and is currently starting in Greenville this year.

 

Good post!

[cp176]

being excited about 16 year olds playing baseball is certainly not for the faint of hearted. As the old saying goes "prospects will break your heart"

 

I enjoy it.

 

 

A very good reason to follow them as they develop.

[cp176]

Well that's the name of the game. I think to be a true lover of prospects you have to understand the further away these kids are the more paths they have to lead to failure, however, there's also more upside and more hope as well.

 

It's almost like investing your money in the stock market into a well-diversified portfolio and the international system is one piece of the puzzle that teams use to stock their farm systems.

 

These kids will go to the DSL, the good ones will come stateside after one year and play in the GCL and then they will move on to Lowell of Greenville.

 

The really good ones will skip a level. Rafael Devers moved from the DSL to the GCL in the middle of his first year in the system and skipped Lowell and went straight to Greenville the next. After spending a full season in the DSL Bryan Mata skipped botht the GCL and Lowell and is currently starting in Greenville this year.

 

Hopefully trading Longhi plus a few works out for us in the long haul. It was obviously a move with a look to the future.

[OH FOY]

Went to all 4 Portland games, one thing is a sure thing. Ball should be moved to another position, rolling Curveballs, not over-powering, problems with control. This kid used to hit in High School, try him out at another position. Gave up 2 HRS, to the worst hitting team in the Eastern League.

Devers looks good, should be in Triple AAA.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Went to all 4 Portland games, one thing is a sure thing. Ball should be moved to another position, rolling Curveballs, not over-powering, problems with control. This kid used to hit in High School, try him out at another position. Gave up 2 HRS, to the worst hitting team in the Eastern League.

 

They should have made this move a year or two ago. I wonder if it is now too late.

 

In other news, Owens is completely terrible in his Double A start. He lasted 2/3 of an inning, yielding 6 BBs, 3 Rs, 15 strikes (42 pitches). If the Red Sox need to open a spot on the 40 man roster, Owens could be the guy that is removed.

 

A great start for Groome at Greenville. In his last two starts combined: 10 IP, 1H, 0R, 3 BB, 13K. OH BABY!

[moonslav59]

If the Red Sox need to open a spot on the 40 man roster, Owens could be the guy that is removed.

 

What a sad story for Owens.

 

We may want to add Brentz back to the 40 man roster, if an OF'er or DH goes on the DL.

 

If we make a trade that does not involve a 40 man roster player, here is who might be on the trade or DFA bubble:

 

Henry Owens

Hector Velazquez

Doug Fister

Blaine Boyer

Pablo Sandoval

Steve Selsky (Brentz may be ahead of him now)

Luis Ysla

Kyle Martin

Fernando Abad

Roenis Elias

 

Josh Rutledge or Robbie Ross: move to 60-day DL (retroactive)?

 

Depending on who we want to add and what position they play, there are quite a few options to choose from the above list.

 

Edited July 5, 2017 by moonslav59