A Realistic View at 2017 Part II

[moonslav59]

If I'm going into my first winter meeting after finishing dead last 3 out of 4 seasons, I'm going to make sure I address two urgent needs, starting pitching and a closer.

 

Anything you bring up at this point is irrelevant because YOU don't know what was available at the time and at what COST. It's all Monday morning quarterbacking because any trade YOU MAY have proposed may not have been doable.

 

While true, you don't know if we got the best deal out there.

 

We do know what FA pitchers signed for, and while the RP'er FA market was not very strong, many decent to very good RP'ers were traded that winter. Some did well: some did not so well.

 

Pretty much everyone agrees we overpaid, and overpaying is necessary at times, but in my opinion, we overpaid in two ways: money and prospects.

 

I hated the deal at the time, but I understand why it was made. Since the deal was made, the closer salaries have sky-rocketed, so that aspect does not look so bad, in hindsight.

 

My opinion of the trade has nothing to do with Kimbrel's somewhat lackluster 2016 season. When we got him, I thought of him as a top 3 closer in MLB and expected top 5 closer going forward. That being said, I thought the "overpay" was too excessive. I still do. In comparison, I thought the Price contract was "overpay" but essential and logical.

 

[moonslav59]

How were you getting Kimbrel without sending prospects? Were the Padres going to just hand him over for free?

 

No.

 

I would have not paid that much for Kimbrel and would have looked elsewhere: Clippard, KRod, Benoit and others. I'd have rather settled on two lesser closers than grossly overpay.

 

Just because we had an obvious high need for a closer, doesn't mean any cost is okay.

 

I happen to believe the cost was excessive for a RP'er making near top dollar as a closer at the time.

 

I get why the deal was made, but I hated it then, and dislike it now.

[moonslav59]

The Paw Sox are set to break the record for highest AAA roster salary in history thanks to Allen Craig ($11MM) and Rusney Castillo ($10.5MM). Both are not even on the 40 man roster and probably never will be added due to luxury tax implications.

 

Craig is in his last year as will pay him his $1M buyout for next year.

 

Castillo is still owed $46MM through 2020

 

[Bellhorn04]

The Paw Sox are set to break the record for highest AAA roster salary in history thanks to Allen Craig ($11MM) and Rusney Castillo ($10.5MM). Both are not even on the 40 man roster and probably never will be added due to luxury tax implications.

 

Craig is in his last year as will pay him his $1M buyout for next year.

 

Castillo is still owed $46MM through 2020

 

 

Breaking the record they set last year, I assume.

[Nick]

While true, you don't know if we got the best deal out there.

 

We do know what FA pitchers signed for, and while the RP'er FA market was not very strong, many decent to very good RP'ers were traded that winter. Some did well: some did not so well.

 

Pretty much everyone agrees we overpaid, and overpaying is necessary at times, but in my opinion, we overpaid in two ways: money and prospects.

 

I hated the deal at the time, but I understand why it was made. Since the deal was made, the closer salaries have sky-rocketed, so that aspect does not look so bad, in hindsight.

 

My opinion of the trade has nothing to do with Kimbrel's somewhat lackluster 2016 season. When we got him, I thought of him as a top 3 closer in MLB and expected top 5 closer going forward. That being said, I thought the "overpay" was too excessive. I still do. In comparison, I thought the Price contract was "overpay" but essential and logical.

 

 

I'm leaning towards NOT LIKING both Kimbrel and Pomeranz trades but DD did what he thought was best for Red Sox. I just can't fault him for that.

[Nick]

The Paw Sox are set to break the record for highest AAA roster salary in history thanks to Allen Craig ($11MM) and Rusney Castillo ($10.5MM). Both are not even on the 40 man roster and probably never will be added due to luxury tax implications.

 

Craig is in his last year as will pay him his $1M buyout for next year.

 

Castillo is still owed $46MM through 2020

 

 

We're #1, we're #1....

[moonslav59]

I'm leaning towards NOT LIKING both Kimbrel and Pomeranz trades but DD did what he thought was best for Red Sox. I just can't fault him for that.

 

I try to avoid the "blame game". Both trades filled needs we had at the time, but I thought we gave up too much for what we got.

 

I didn't mind overpaying for Sale.

 

I didn't mind overpaying for Thornburg, since he's not making $13M.

[Nick]

Okay, the cheap guy that I am, I waited until last minute to get the mlb package for the Sox.

 

2 hrs and 21 minutes til the kickoff....oops, first pitch.

[cp176]

I'm going to be in Florida for 2 more weeks - just paid $14 to get NESN for a month. I am very cheap but for a dollar a day I was able to pony up. Let's go!

[Slasher9]

I miss Clay.

[Nick]

I miss my teenage pimples.

[SoxHop]

I miss Clay.

 

Me too.

 

When he was on it was amazing seeing hitters look pretty much foolish.

 

But I kind of miss my psycho ex-girlfriend the same way.... there was good times, there were bad times...

 

But I seriously thought he was one of the most fun pitchers to watch when he was on.

 

If you need a good pitching performance to watch, watch Yu Darvish........... when he's on he's super fun.

Edited April 3, 2017 by SoxHop

[moonslav59]

I was one of Buch's best supporters over the years, but I don't miss him at all.

[Fisk]

I miss when he would get on one of his good streaks

[StephenCurry30]

I cant say that i even remotely miss clay, but thats me.

[mvp 78]

I feel the same way about aclay as I do allformer Sox: who cares, they're gone now.

[Spudboy]

I don't miss Clay at all.

 

But I kind of miss my old psycho girlfriend.

 

Best sex partner ever.

[SoxHop]

I feel the same way about aclay as I do allformer Sox: who cares, they're gone now.

 

I bet you shed a tear the first time you see Koji in a Cubs uniform. I bet each and every one of you do. I know I will.

[Jasonbay44]

There is a lot of former Red Sox players who I missed. Koji, Lester, Pedro, Manny, etc.. Buchholz... not so much.

[SoxHop]

There is a lot of former Red Sox players who I missed. Koji, Lester, Pedro, Manny, etc.. Buchholz... not so much.

 

ahahahahah....

[SoxHop]

Clay had some massive suckitude didn't he. I'm glad he's gone too......... I haven't needed my blood pressure medicine since.

[SoxHop]

I don't miss Clay at all.

 

But I kind of miss my old psycho girlfriend.

 

Best sex partner ever.

 

Hello Spud.

 

And....................... yes.

[StephenCurry30]

i miss lugo, mirabelli, javier lopez, daniel bard, ryan dempster, felix doubront, dice-k, salty, julian tavarez, ramiro mendoza, john mcdonald, quintin berry, aaron cook, aaron hill, justin masterson, john smoltz, brad penny, wily mo pena, nick punto, carl crawford, lars anderson, darnell mcdonald, ryan sweeney, pedro ciriaco, david wells, kelly shoppach, manny delcarmen, willie harris, gabe kapler, eric hinske and bobby kielty.

 

thanks really the only players i cry about at night wishing we still had. everyone else is meh

[SoxHop]

i miss lugo, mirabelli, javier lopez, daniel bard, ryan dempster, felix doubront, dice-k, salty, julian tavarez, ramiro mendoza, john mcdonald, quintin berry, aaron cook, aaron hill, justin masterson, john smoltz, brad penny, wily mo pena, nick punto, carl crawford, lars anderson, darnell mcdonald, ryan sweeney, pedro ciriaco, david wells, kelly shoppach, manny delcarmen, willie harris, gabe kapler, eric hinske and bobby kielty.

 

thanks really the only players i cry about at night wishing we still had. everyone else is meh

 

I"m with you on Lugo......... but not the others....

[Jasonbay44]

I actually liked Darnell McDonald and Gabe Kapler.. lol

[moonslav59]

I thought DMac did very well in the role he was given.

 

Nice to see Pablo, Leon and Beni come through today (so far) among others.

 

Too bad Porcello wasn't yanked after 6, but I'm sure he's happy with his outing.

[oldtimer]

I thought DMac did very well in the role he was given.

 

Nice to see Pablo, Leon and Beni come through today (so far) among others.

 

Too bad Porcello wasn't yanked after 6, but I'm sure he's happy with his outing.

 

When Leon hits, this club is much more formidable. Lets hope he can be anything close to his good stretch last season. Kimbrel is the same guy. Great velocity but somewhat wild. He got the job done today and this is a good start. Homer for Beni on opening day, you have to like that.

[Nick]

who needs Clay when we have Kimbrel.....unpredictable? you got it.

 

Absolutely worst pitch call with two strikes to a lefty....just freaking elevate the 0-2 pitch.

 

Here's a statistical fact

 

Porcello 223 IP 32 BB

 

Kimbre 53 IP 30 BB

 

He's definitely exciting to watch....he always gets my blood pressure up.

[Fisk]

who needs Clay when we have Kimbrel.....unpredictable? you got it.

 

Absolutely worst pitch call with two strikes to a lefty....just freaking elevate the 0-2 pitch.

 

Here's a statistical fact

 

Porcello 223 IP 32 BB

 

Kimbre 53 IP 30 BB

 

He's definitely exciting to watch....he always gets my blood pressure up.

 

I agree terrible call on that 0-2 pitch, did not look like he could come close to Kimbrels fastball. On the 0-1 pitch looked like he swung a half hour late.

[moonslav59]

It's always nice to start off with a win. Good to see the offense put together a string of hits- all with 2 outs.

 

JBJ got things started with the triple, Pablo knocked him in, 2 hit Leon and Pedey got hits to set up Beni's big blast.

 

Porcello looked sharp through 6.

 

Great win!

 

Keep it going.