6/21 the return of Clay Buchholz

[Maxbialystock]

Sad part is we are also stuck with a manager who insists on Hanley hitting in the 5 hole. AND NOW IT'S THE 4 HOLE!

 

C'mon man! One 500 ft bomb does not make up for his terrible performance overall. Put him No. 8 or 9 until you find someone else.

 

While I generally agree HanRam isn't hitting that well with an OPS hovering around .700, I think this is the wrong night to blame the loss on the manager. The whole lineup has looked anemic with 1 double, 5 singles and 0 for 6 with RISP.

[Maxbialystock]

I agree.

 

Probably won't happen. Better to just stop watching games and write protest letters to the Commish.

[User Name]

Well, I stand corrected. The Red Sox played great tonight and got beat by the homeplate umpire. I can't wait to read the headlines in the paper or on the internet tomorrow: "s***** umps cost the sterling Red Sox another bitter loss. When will this nightmare of injustice, inaccuracy, and perversion end? MLB desperately needs robots calling the games."

 

For someone who toots his own horn so much, you've got terrible reading comprehension. It's not about the Red Sox. Not everything revolves around the Red Sox. It's about crappy officiating. What is it with you and strawmans? Just terrible logic.

[SoxHop]

Well, I stand corrected. The Red Sox played great tonight and got beat by the homeplate umpire. I can't wait to read the headlines in the paper or on the internet tomorrow: "s***** umps cost the sterling Red Sox another bitter loss. When will this nightmare of injustice, inaccuracy, and perversion end? MLB desperately needs robots calling the games."

 

Eck was harping about the calls all night.....

[Maxbialystock]

Another game in which our guys played great but the umpires and our own manager conspired to take the game away and just hand it over to the totally undeserving White Sox. It's just a shame.

[d-money]

Pitching kept it close. Offense was pitiful. If someone knew how to make contact then the series would be 1-1 right now.

[d-money]

Gotta start winning these series at home. On the road's even more difficult.

[Maxbialystock]

Chris Sale is vastly overrated as a starter. He just has those home plate umpires in his pocket like they were loose change. Meanwhile Clay Buchholz, one of the best starters ever to grace the Red Sox uniform, just couldn't catch a break from that really terrible home plate umpire.

[illinoisredsox]

Okay folks, fess up. If before the 1st pitch you could have penciled in Buchholz allowing 3 runs in 5 innings, would you have taken it? Be honest.

 

Given how he's been this year, I would have.

[FredLynn]

While I generally agree HanRam isn't hitting that well with an OPS hovering around .700, I think this is the wrong night to blame the loss on the manager. The whole lineup has looked anemic with 1 double, 5 singles and 0 for 6 with RISP.

 

Farrell made two pretty clear blunders tonight. First, with the score 2-0 and runners on first and second in the third inning, he didn't force Marrero to bunt until he had two strikes on him. Marrero is a terrible hitter. No one was out; a successful bunt could have resulted in runners on second and third with one out with Betts up. Second, in the 8th inning with runners on first and second and no one out, a tough RHP on the mound, and Hanley Ramirez (whose OPS over the past over 100 ABs is well under .600) up, he failed to PH Ortiz when it really mattered, instead saving him for a two out, no one on base, in the ninth scenario. Ramirez struck out. I don't much care that it might have hurt Hanley's feelings. Farrell is not putting his team in the best possible position to win games.

Edited June 22, 2016 by FredLynn

[illinoisredsox]

Sale has nothing tonight. If there's a day we can beat him, it's today.

 

I would hate to see your definition of stuff then. He had one bad inning and wriggled off the hook. Against guys like him, you usually don't get second shots.

[FredLynn]

Okay folks, fess up. If before the 1st pitch you could have penciled in Buchholz allowing 3 runs in 5 innings, would you have taken it? Be honest.

 

Given how he's been this year, I would have.

 

Yes. But its still not good enough. We still need another great SP.

[Maxbialystock]

Farrell made two pretty clear blunders tonight. First, with the score 2-0 and runners on first and second in the third inning, he didn't force Marrero to bunt until he had two strikes on him. Marrero is a terrible hitter. No one was out; a successful bunt could have resulted in runners on second and third with one out with Betts up. Second, in the 8th inning with runners on first and second and no one out and Hanley Ramirez (whose OPS over the past over 100 ABs is well under .600) up, he failed to PH Ortiz when it really mattered, instead saving him for a two out, no one on base, in the ninth scenario. Ramirez struck out. I don't much care that it might have hurt Hanley's feelings. Farrell is not putting his team in the best possible position to win games.

 

I like that. He probably should have pinch hit Ortiz for Ramirez, but nobody on the Sox is getting clutch hits in this series. And no one on the Sox can bunt worth a s***. No one. How many teams have a player who can put down such a piss poor bunt that it turns into a double play? The Sox do not teach, coach, or emphasize bunting--almost certainly because of Bill James and sabermetrics.

[illinoisredsox]

Yes. But its still not good enough. We still need another great SP.

 

No, just a decent one. Somebody has to step up and take the #4 spot. If we can consistently get 3 runs in 6 innings type pitching from a #5, the staff will be in good shape.

[Maxbialystock]

For someone who toots his own horn so much, you've got terrible reading comprehension. It's not about the Red Sox. Not everything revolves around the Red Sox. It's about crappy officiating. What is it with you and strawmans? Just terrible logic.

My reading comprehensive and interpretative skills are doing fine, thanks. If the Red Sox had won this game 3-1, there would have been very few complaints about calls of balls and strikes. Indeed, there would have been unrestrained jubilation if Buchholz had beat Sales. It absolutely, positively is about the Red Sox. And, I should admit, that's human nature and even, to a degree, commendable. Nothing wrong with rooting for the home team and getting mad at the umps. It's been going on for 150 years.

[Jasonbay44]

I don't understand the point of these sarcastic dumb posts. I made a post saying the umpire has had a horrible inconsistent strike zone, that made no sense and had no logic. I watched the first half of the game on White Sox feed because NESN feed wouldn't work on my laptop and NESN feed for rest of game - White Sox announcers and Eck both talked about/mentioned the home plate ump and his inconsistency and how little sense it made and as a hitter "you have no idea what's a ball or strike anymore". The home plate ump was awful, did it make the Sox lose? No, but I don't understand the obsession with sticking up for a guy who was doing an awful job tonight, regardless of it helped one team or not.

[Maxbialystock]

Sales is now 12-2 with an ERA of 2.83. Tonight he had 9 K's and 1 BB and gave up 1 run and 4 hits in 7 innings. Buchholz wasn't great, but was better than he has been. If he could only take back his first two pitches, he might have had a really good night.

[StephenCurry30]

it doesn't get any easier tomorrow. Quintana shut us down for 5 hits and 1 run in 8 innings last time he faced us and that was when our offense was hot. Our only run in that game was a solo blast from Hanley.

[Maxbialystock]

I don't understand the point of these sarcastic dumb posts. I made a post saying the umpire has had a horrible inconsistent strike zone, that made no sense and had no logic. I watched the first half of the game on White Sox feed because NESN feed wouldn't work on my laptop and NESN feed for rest of game - White Sox announcers and Eck both talked about/mentioned the home plate ump and his inconsistency and how little sense it made and as a hitter "you have no idea what's a ball or strike anymore". The home plate ump was awful, did it make the Sox lose? No, but I don't understand the obsession with sticking up for a guy who was doing an awful job tonight, regardless of it helped one team or not.

 

I said I didn't watch all the pitches, so maybe I missed the bad calls. Even if I had seen them, however, I would have said the same thing: we lost and Chicago won because of the players, not the umpire behind the plate. If none of us had watched the game and were simply told that Chicago and Sales beat Boston and Buchholz 3-1, most of us would have said, "it was that close? Was Buchholz lucky? Why can't our guys hit Chicago pitching. This is the second game in a row of weak hitting." No one, but no one would have said, "that score had to be because of the home plate umpire." If we assume--as you assert--that the home plate umpire was terrible, I would offer this game as solid evidence that umpires do not prevent good pitchers from getting players out nor bad pitchers from getting hit because that's exactly what happened tonight. Despite bad calls the better pitcher won.

[Jasonbay44]

I never once said or even implied the home plate ump decided the game. I said he sucked at his job, which he did. This was a game almost everyone here expected to lose, and it happened.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I don't understand the point of these sarcastic dumb posts. I made a post saying the umpire has had a horrible inconsistent strike zone, that made no sense and had no logic. I watched the first half of the game on White Sox feed because NESN feed wouldn't work on my laptop and NESN feed for rest of game - White Sox announcers and Eck both talked about/mentioned the home plate ump and his inconsistency and how little sense it made and as a hitter "you have no idea what's a ball or strike anymore". The home plate ump was awful, did it make the Sox lose? No, but I don't understand the obsession with sticking up for a guy who was doing an awful job tonight, regardless of it helped one team or not.

 

The point in itself is to be sarcastic and dumb. You have to really hammer the point home by making variations on the same post three or four times in the span of a few minutes, though, or it just loses its edge.

[d-money]

Team needs to win tomorrow at all cost. Can't start to fall back from the birds.

[Station 13]

This been a rough patch, but least Price, wright, Porcello have pitch extremely well.

[d-money]

Just saw that the padres are beating up on the orioles. Well at least they didn't gain any ground. Edited June 22, 2016 by d-money

[Bellhorn04]

To top it all off Baltimore is unsurprisingly hammering the Padres.

 

Nope, Santa Claus came early in that one.

[bosoxmal]

It’s way past time for a lineup shakeup. Until Holt gets back, and against both LH and RH pitching, I would like to see:

 

Pedroia

Bradley

Bogaerts

Ortiz

Betts

Young

Shaw

Ramiriz

Catcher

 

After Holt returns, I’d like to see the following against RH pitching:

 

Holt

Bradley’

Bogaerts

Ortiz

Betts

Young

Holt

Shaw

Catcher

 

Against LH pitching Lineup No. 1 will do. But, for Pete’s sake (as well as the rest of us) put Hanley out to pasture. And, with Betts behind Ortiz, Papi will see a lot better pitches, Hanley is no protection at all!

[User Name]

Nope, Santa Claus came early in that one.

 

Good times, good times.

[User Name]

It’s way past time for a lineup shakeup. Until Holt gets back, and against both LH and RH pitching, I would like to see:

 

Pedroia

Bradley

Bogaerts

Ortiz

Betts

Young

Shaw

Ramiriz

Catcher

 

After Holt returns, I’d like to see the following against RH pitching:

 

Holt

Bradley’

Bogaerts

Ortiz

Betts

Young

Holt

Shaw

Catcher

 

Against LH pitching Lineup No. 1 will do. But, for Pete’s sake (as well as the rest of us) put Hanley out to pasture. And, with Betts behind Ortiz, Papi will see a lot better pitches, Hanley is no protection at all!

 

So against LHP, we have two Holts (2B and LF) and Pedroia doesn't play? Is Young at 1B, because I don't see Hanley anywhere.

[Slasher9]

solid start by Clay. too bad his offense let him down.

looking forward to his next start.

[Kimmi]

The good news is, this thread has been a great source of entertainment for me.

 

And Clay did what we needed him to do. He kept the team in the game. At this point, we are not looking for him to be an ace or a #2/3, even though I still think he can be, we are looking for him to fill in the back end of the rotation.

 

The bad news is, this offense is really starting to tick me off.