2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[Dojji]

Other than possibly Jay Bruce, Holliday is the only major trade target that makes sense for us.

[Emp9]

Other than possibly Jay Bruce, Holliday is the only major trade target that makes sense for us.

 

Kelly & Craig for Holliday would make some sense /s/

[illinoisredsox]

Emp9, the Cards got rid of Craig for a reason; they aren't taking him back.

[sk7326]

Other than possibly Jay Bruce, Holliday is the only major trade target that makes sense for us.

 

Maybe one more starter - heck, re-acquiring Wade Miley would fit the bill.

[mvp 78]

Why would the Cards trade Holliday? They are above .500 and Hazlebaker has been slumping the way we expected him to. Grichuk and Piscotty will be in the OF for years to come, but there's no reason to believe Hazelbaker will stick around much longer.

[mvp 78]

Maybe one more starter - heck, re-acquiring Wade Miley would fit the bill.

 

Isn't Seattle playing well this year?

[Dojji]

Why would the Cards trade Holliday? They are above .500 and Hazlebaker has been slumping the way we expected him to. Grichuk and Piscotty will be in the OF for years to come, but there's no reason to believe Hazelbaker will stick around much longer.

 

Why would the Cards trade Holliday? Because they aren't a frontrunner, Holliday is slowly declining, and this is his last guaranteed year. perfect time to make a deal and get what you can. If they were frontrunners maybe they wouldn't deal him, but since they aren't, I think it's likely they'll sell off Holliday at the deadline and sort of reposition for next year.

[sk7326]

Isn't Seattle playing well this year?

 

Yeah, but it's early - early enough that buyers and sellers have not separated too much. More than that, I was spitballing. A Hector Santiago sort from the Angels is another ... again, nothing special, but just somebody who has some fairly low variability.

 

That said, when Rodriguez returns that final slot will most likely rise up to "acceptable". Owens disappointed me - I liked the idea of at least putting in the guy who had some actual swing and miss in him. But you gotta throw strikes. When your starts make Dice-K's look like Greg Maddux, you got a problem.

[sk7326]

Why would the Cards trade Holliday? Because they aren't a frontrunner, Holliday is slowly declining, and this is his last guaranteed year. perfect time to make a deal and get what you can. If they were frontrunners maybe they wouldn't deal him, but since they aren't, I think it's likely they'll sell off Holliday at the deadline and sort of reposition for next year.

 

Cards are 17-16 with the NL's 2nd best run differential. They are not sellers. Now they could move Holliday for value reasons but they have no reason to give up on 2016.

[Dojji]

I don't think you have to have given up in 2016 in order to trade Holliday at the deadline. If they aren't frontrunners (and they aren't) trading Holliday is a way to hedge your bets, ensure the team is competitive beyond this year, which a 37 year old Hollday doesn't even begin to ensure.

 

The Cards have had a thing about making sure they're competitive for more than the one year, that's why they're consistently in the mix for playoff teams. I think it's likely they will make a move with Holliday. He's a very attractive piece to the right buyer.

[Kingface]

Emp9, the Cards got rid of Craig for a reason; they aren't taking him back.

 

Read between the lines Illinois.........pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part......

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think you have to have given up in 2016 in order to trade Holliday at the deadline. If they aren't frontrunners (and they aren't) trading Holliday is a way to hedge your bets, ensure the team is competitive beyond this year, which a 37 year old Hollday doesn't even begin to ensure.

 

The Cards have had a thing about making sure they're competitive for more than the one year, that's why they're consistently in the mix for playoff teams. I think it's likely they will make a move with Holliday. He's a very attractive piece to the right buyer.

 

Let's examine the cost for Holliday:

 

$17 million salary for 2016 = $ 5.67 million pro-rated + $1 million buyout on 2017 option = $6.67 million

Add 30% luxury tax $2 million = $8.67 million

Plus whatever we give up in trade

[illinoisredsox]

Read between the lines Illinois.........pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part......

 

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Yeah, that's what is says:)

[cp176]

Let's examine the cost for Holliday:

 

$17 million salary for 2016 = $ 5.67 million pro-rated + $1 million buyout on 2017 option = $6.67 million

Add 30% luxury tax $2 million = $8.67 million

Plus whatever we give up in trade

 

I would think that trying to acquire another outfielder at this time for much more than spare change would make no sense at all. I don't think that Holt provides a long term answer but who knows. I still have a little support left in me for Young. I think that he for sure needs the somewhat consistent at bats. I certainly wouldn't trade much for an aging 4th or 5th outfielder when we will have better options very soon that come from our own program. Talking quality young pitching though is another story. Right now, I don't think that they need to do anything.

[Emp9]

Emp9, the Cards got rid of Craig for a reason; they aren't taking him back.

 

It was/s/arcasm bud:/

[Emp9]

I would think that trying to acquire another outfielder at this time for much more than spare change would make no sense at all. I don't think that Holt provides a long term answer but who knows. I still have a little support left in me for Young. I think that he for sure needs the somewhat consistent at bats. I certainly wouldn't trade much for an aging 4th or 5th outfielder when we will have better options very soon that come from our own program. Talking quality young pitching though is another story. Right now, I don't think that they need to do anything.

 

I pretty much agree, but it can be fun to speculate on what they may/may not do, could/could not do come trade deadline. With DD now in the fold for better or worse, I think they could go big and wow us (or horrify us).

[cp176]

I pretty much agree, but it can be fun to speculate on what they may/may not do, could/could not do come trade deadline. With DD now in the fold for better or worse, I think they could go big and wow us (or horrify us).

 

I think you are right. If he makes a trade, I don't see him going to the junk pile or the discount stores to get it done. Might be for pitching (I hope) or might be for something else.

[cp176]

ok folks, here we go - MIKE TROUT (24) - He is (if he isn't already) going to be available. Would you do it and how much would you do it for? A generational player! Depending on the cost of course, I certainly would. We have Dombrowski and you have to believe that he has already asked about it and what would it take. There are currently no prospects that I wouldn't give up for him to be honest.

[Kingface]

ok folks, here we go - MIKE TROUT (24) - He is (if he isn't already) going to be available. Would you do it and how much would you do it for? A generational player! Depending on the cost of course, I certainly would. We have Dombrowski and you have to believe that he has already asked about it and what would it take. There are currently no prospects that I wouldn't give up for him to be honest.

 

.........he's available? Never heard that. Should he be if you were the 'ageing angels'?? ABSOLUTELY!!! But he sells tickets.....and he's young......and he's the best in the game (although Harper may be about to pass him......if he hasn't already) and he is not getting paid what he's worth. He's an owners dream. He's not going anywhere......

[cp176]

.........he's available? Never heard that. Should he be if you were the 'ageing angels'?? ABSOLUTELY!!! But he sells tickets.....and he's young......and he's the best in the game (although Harper may be about to pass him......if he hasn't already) and he is not getting paid what he's worth. He's an owners dream. He's not going anywhere......

 

Nothing definitive has been said but you have to believe that there have ben conversations. He does sell tickets but when do the Angels start to win. Eventually they do something. A little out on a limb here but you have to think that DD has at least thought about the possibility having this guy in our outfield. I they do decide to move him for prospects, the Sox could be at the top of the food chain.

[Dojji]

trout will pobably leave when his contract's up, but I don't think it's at all reasonable to expect the Angels to trade him in 2016. They're gonna try to build a team around him and win in the next 5 years, and from the Angels' perspective, 5 years to win is a pretty reasonable window. Plenty of room to hope that can happen and plenty of reason to expect that if you're close in year 5 but don't quite get there you can back up the truck and keep hold of Trout.

[SoxnCycles]

I thought we desperately needed pitching?

[Hugh2]

For what it would take to trade for Mike Trout, we could be left in several years asking what could we get back in return for Trout to rebuild our system.

 

Great teams > great players all day...every day. Of course, if the Price is right...I just assume the price is wrong for a guy like Trout.

[SoxnCycles]

For what it would take to trade for Mike Trout, we could be left in several years asking what could we get back in return for Trout to rebuild our system.

 

Great teams > great players all day...every day. Of course, if the Price is right...I just assume the price is wrong for a guy like Trout.

 

Yup, for what it would cost to get a player like Trout, I'm perfectly happy with our current OF.

[Dojji]

Our current OF is actually fantastic. Once Betts gets his bat going, we're going to have one of the best 2 way outfields in baseball.

[Emp9]

Castillo $11M average annual salary for Braun $20M average annual salary. With Papi retiring it would n't really block Benintendi, we could still have either one including HanRam rotate for DH. Just spit-balling here, don't yell at me

[Emp9]

I'd add a prospect in like Dubon maybe? $9M annual isn't a whole lot for us to attempt to replace Papi and its still a nice salary dump for Mil.

[a700hitter]

Castillo $11M average annual salary for Braun $20M average annual salary. With Papi retiring it would n't really block Benintendi, we could still have either one including HanRam rotate for DH. Just spit-balling here, don't yell at me

There has been some talk that Joe Batts bautista and Encarnacion would be good DH fits for the Red Sox. Both are free agents after this season.

[Emp9]

There has been some talk that Joe Batts bautista and Encarnacion would be good DH fits for the Red Sox. Both are free agents after this season.

 

They're also looking for record contracts. If we cld find away to dump a little of ours away, gain a LFer who could always DH. I love Bautista & Encarnacion but Encarnacion is strickly a DH isn't he? I like the maneuverability w/ Braun at half the price (if we could dump Castillo that is).

[Emp9]

Braun cld also, however unlikely, play 3B in a pinch, but hasn't played 3B since 2007... so perhaps not. In a way an OFer can sometimes pitch in a pinch when theres nobody left to pitch in some marathon extra-innings game type of way.