Referendum on John Farrell

[southpaw777]

So in other words you are looking to see them lose the last 20 games of the season. Because other than Farrell himself deciding to quit or him getting caught molesting collies, that's the only way he will not be the manager next year.

 

No, not in OTHER words...in MY words, Im saying I dont like his in game managing and I dont want him here. I thought that was pretty clear, so how about we not put words in my mouth.

[SoxnCycles]

No, not in OTHER words...in MY words, Im saying I dont like his in game managing and I dont want him here. I thought that was pretty clear, so how about we not put words in my mouth.

 

Well, if the Sox go deep into the playoffs, he's not going anywhere.

Bad in game manager or not, the Sox play hard for the guy.

[southpaw777]

Well, if the Sox go deep into the playoffs, he's not going anywhere.

Bad in game manager or not, the Sox play hard for the guy.

 

yeah, I get all that and Im not a happy camper IF that happens (retaining farrells managerial services). I dont like the guy.one.bit and i want to tear up his little notebook hes got his face in. IMO hes got very little feel for the game going on right in front of him. broadcaster are even questioning his moves and that never usually happens with the company guys...

bottom line is I just dont like the way he manages a team. Tito was soooo much better IMHO. no , I dont want him back either..Just sayin.

[Bellhorn04]

@ southpaw777 (copied from Benintendi thread)

 

Farrell needs to realize that some guys can actually hit the same side pitcher. Benni has looked good vs LHP. Overall better than JBJ I think..the smart move would have been to PH Young for JBJ vs Layne making Girardi swith pitchers one batter earlier. lets face it, Aaron f***ing Hill strikes fear in exactly zero pitchers, LH or RH, which is why bLayne was left in to face Hill. Young would have forced Girardi to switch. then Benni is up so he would have to go to a lesser LHP since they already used their main LH guy Layne...I just dont understand why Farrell doesnt see this. Girardi schooled his ass last night...Farrell got lucky Young was barely HBP and Betences was off his game because those first two PH moves by Farrell were absolutely ass backwards! the guy is clueless how to manage a game.

 

Well, it's possible that Farrell expected Girardi to leave Layne in to face Hill and that's what he wanted. Plus Young has been hitting very well against RHP for a while now.

 

I see your points but there are some counterpoints too. The bottom line was he sent up 2 PHers and 1 of them reached base.

[southpaw777]

@ southpaw777 (copied from Benintendi thread)

 

Farrell needs to realize that some guys can actually hit the same side pitcher. Benni has looked good vs LHP. Overall better than JBJ I think..the smart move would have been to PH Young for JBJ vs Layne making Girardi swith pitchers one batter earlier. lets face it, Aaron f***ing Hill strikes fear in exactly zero pitchers, LH or RH, which is why bLayne was left in to face Hill. Young would have forced Girardi to switch. then Benni is up so he would have to go to a lesser LHP since they already used their main LH guy Layne...I just dont understand why Farrell doesnt see this. Girardi schooled his ass last night...Farrell got lucky Young was barely HBP and Betences was off his game because those first two PH moves by Farrell were absolutely ass backwards! the guy is clueless how to manage a game.

 

Well, it's possible that Farrell expected Girardi to leave Layne in to face Hill and that's what he wanted. Plus Young has been hitting very well against RHP for a while now.

 

I see your points but there are some counterpoints too. The bottom line was he sent up 2 PHers and 1 of them reached base.[/QU

 

the result was after the fact...Girardi got his matchup with Young..

The better move was to PH Young first so girardi is forced to switch pitchers. Hill has been terrible overall. it was a wasted move by Farrell. just because Hill is RH makes it the right move? no way...Girardi schooled Farrell and got the matchups he wanted, and they favoured the NYY...the NYY pitchers fell apart. Hill looked foolish vs a LHP (no surprise here) Young was HBP and betences couldnt locate his 99MPH FB.

I still think it was the wrong move regardless of the result. if all NY players did their job the NYY would have and should have won with the dumb PH moves Farrell made.

Thank God we have an offense that is this good and the NY pitchers fell apart in the 9th.

Listen, I dont want to argue with anyone on my opinion of him. I dont come on here and post everyday how much I cant stand the ass clown, but Ive done it a few times this season when he does something like last night.

I know he will probably be back next year and I wont be happy.

Edited September 16, 2016 by southpaw777

[Bellhorn04]

So where is the credit for Farrell's management of the bullpen last night? If we didn't keep the Yankees from tacking on more runs the comeback wouldn't have been possible.

[illinoisredsox]

@ southpaw777 (copied from Benintendi thread)

 

Farrell needs to realize that some guys can actually hit the same side pitcher. Benni has looked good vs LHP. Overall better than JBJ I think..the smart move would have been to PH Young for JBJ vs Layne making Girardi swith pitchers one batter earlier. lets face it, Aaron f***ing Hill strikes fear in exactly zero pitchers, LH or RH, which is why bLayne was left in to face Hill. Young would have forced Girardi to switch. then Benni is up so he would have to go to a lesser LHP since they already used their main LH guy Layne...I just dont understand why Farrell doesnt see this. Girardi schooled his ass last night...Farrell got lucky Young was barely HBP and Betences was off his game because those first two PH moves by Farrell were absolutely ass backwards! the guy is clueless how to manage a game.

 

Well, it's possible that Farrell expected Girardi to leave Layne in to face Hill and that's what he wanted. Plus Young has been hitting very well against RHP for a while now.

 

I see your points but there are some counterpoints too. The bottom line was he sent up 2 PHers and 1 of them reached base.[/QU

 

the result was after the fact...Girardi got his matchup with Young..

The better move was to PH Young first so girardi is forced to switch pitchers. Hill has been terrible overall. it was a wasted move by Farrell. just because Hill is RH makes it the right move? no way...Girardi schooled Farrell and got the matchups he wanted, and they favoured the NYY...the NYY pitchers fell apart. Hill looked foolish vs a LHP (no surprise here) Young was HBP and betences couldnt locate his 99MPH FB.

I still think it was the wrong move regardless of the result. if all NY players did their job the NYY would have and should have won with the dumb PH moves Farrell made.

Thank God we have an offense that is this good and the NY pitchers fell apart in the 9th.

Listen, I dont want to argue with anyone on my opinion of him. I dont come on here and post everyday how much I cant stand the ass clown, but Ive done it a few times this season when he does something like last night.

I know he will probably be back next year and I wont be happy.

 

So when the other manager makes a move and it doesn't work, Farrell is being schooled? And when Farrell makes a move and it doesn't work, he is still being schooled? How many times has Farrell seen his bull pen pitchers fall apart this year? Is it Farrell's fault or did the other team get lucky because the Red Sox players didn't do their job.

 

I'll agree Farrell is no great tactician. He is an average manager, nothing more and nothing less. Like any manager, he makes some headscratching moves. We just notice his because we follow this team.

 

Girardi f@#$ked up last night by taking Tanaka out of the game at 93 pitches and 7 innings. In the middle of a pennant race, you take out your best starter who has been dominant all night against the lower part of the batting order? Now that's a headscratching move. Earlier in the year, when he had Betances, Miller and Chapman it would be totally understandable. With only Betances, much less so.

[Slasher9]

Girardi is a talking ape. and by talking i mean sometimes he grunts and mumbles. eff him. eff the yankees.

[Bellhorn04]

 

So when the other manager makes a move and it doesn't work, Farrell is being schooled? And when Farrell makes a move and it doesn't work, he is still being schooled? How many times has Farrell seen his bull pen pitchers fall apart this year? Is it Farrell's fault or did the other team get lucky because the Red Sox players didn't do their job.

 

I'll agree Farrell is no great tactician. He is an average manager, nothing more and nothing less. Like any manager, he makes some headscratching moves. We just notice his because we follow this team.

 

Girardi f@#$ked up last night by taking Tanaka out of the game at 93 pitches and 7 innings. In the middle of a pennant race, you take out your best starter who has been dominant all night against the lower part of the batting order? Now that's a headscratching move. Earlier in the year, when he had Betances, Miller and Chapman it would be totally understandable. With only Betances, much less so.

 

And Betances was on fumes after throwing 36 pitches the 2 previous nights.

 

Girardi blew this game, I have to agree.

[illinoisredsox]

So where is the credit for Farrell's management of the bullpen last night? If we didn't keep the Yankees from tacking on more runs the comeback wouldn't have been possible.

 

You know the score, its Sofa Manager Logic 101. That's on the players. If they do their jobs, it's despite Farrell. If they fail to do so, it's because of him.

 

That being said, the bullpen has been nothing short of spectacular Tuesday and last night. 13 innings, 2 runs, 1 earned.

[Dojji]

It's the lighthouse fallacy. When Farrell does a good job, we don't notice, because he did a bad job. When Farrell screws up, we notice, because manager mistakes are easy to pick out in hindsight.

 

Farrell's no tactical genius, but he's an average manager with as many assets as liabilities. he's not worth replacing unless you're sure you have an above average manager on standby. And despite Lovullo's SSS last year, we just don't know that.

[greenwell]

@ southpaw777 (copied from Benintendi thread)

 

Farrell needs to realize that some guys can actually hit the same side pitcher. Benni has looked good vs LHP. Overall better than JBJ I think..the smart move would have been to PH Young for JBJ vs Layne making Girardi swith pitchers one batter earlier. lets face it, Aaron f***ing Hill strikes fear in exactly zero pitchers, LH or RH, which is why bLayne was left in to face Hill. Young would have forced Girardi to switch. then Benni is up so he would have to go to a lesser LHP since they already used their main LH guy Layne...I just dont understand why Farrell doesnt see this. Girardi schooled his ass last night...Farrell got lucky Young was barely HBP and Betences was off his game because those first two PH moves by Farrell were absolutely ass backwards! the guy is clueless how to manage a game.

 

Well, it's possible that Farrell expected Girardi to leave Layne in to face Hill and that's what he wanted. Plus Young has been hitting very well against RHP for a while now.

 

I see your points but there are some counterpoints too. The bottom line was he sent up 2 PHers and 1 of them reached base.[/QU

 

the result was after the fact...Girardi got his matchup with Young..

The better move was to PH Young first so girardi is forced to switch pitchers. Hill has been terrible overall. it was a wasted move by Farrell. just because Hill is RH makes it the right move? no way...Girardi schooled Farrell and got the matchups he wanted, and they favoured the NYY...the NYY pitchers fell apart. Hill looked foolish vs a LHP (no surprise here) Young was HBP and betences couldnt locate his 99MPH FB.

I still think it was the wrong move regardless of the result. if all NY players did their job the NYY would have and should have won with the dumb PH moves Farrell made.

Thank God we have an offense that is this good and the NY pitchers fell apart in the 9th.

Listen, I dont want to argue with anyone on my opinion of him. I dont come on here and post everyday how much I cant stand the ass clown, but Ive done it a few times this season when he does something like last night.

I know he will probably be back next year and I wont be happy.

 

I'm not saying Hill was the best choice, but Layne had to face at least one batter according to MLB rules.

[User Name]

Girardi is my favorite Yankees manager.

[a700hitter]

Well, if the Sox go deep into the playoffs, he's not going anywhere.

Bad in game manager or not, the Sox play hard for the guy.

They do play hard for him. They are professionals and you would hope that they always play hard. More importantly, they respect him.

[a700hitter]

So where is the credit for Farrell's management of the bullpen last night? If we didn't keep the Yankees from tacking on more runs the comeback wouldn't have been possible.

He did a good job of getting ERod out of the game before he blew up the game. 7 run rule be damned. There are you happy?

[a700hitter]

Girardi is my favorite Yankees manager.

I despise him. I watch his pressers and the guy is a prick, but he is a good manager. He doesn't care that his FO threw in the towel on the season. He never gives away games and does everything tactically to help them win. He is always on top of the game.

[Station 13]

He did a good job of getting ERod out of the game before he blew up the game. 7 run rule be damned. There are you happy?

 

Time is running short. he finally had no choice but to get Erod to an early shower. The bullpen choices though were questionable, but they came through.

[User Name]

I despise him. I watch his pressers and the guy is a prick, but he is a good manager. He doesn't care that his FO threw in the towel on the season. He never gives away games and does everything tactically to help them win. He is always on top of the game.

 

He's my favorite manager because he's the worst manager they've had during my years watching baseball IMHO. He overextends his RP, and Farrells his starters. He's good with the younger guys, but that's about it.

[illinoisredsox]

Time is running short. he finally had no choice but to get Erod to an early shower. The bullpen choices though were questionable, but they came through.

 

So what would you have done differently bullpen wise?

 

You don't use your top guys once you are 4 runs behind early. If you don't have a true long man i.e., a guy who can pitch 4-5 innings (and nobody does anymore), you use the back end and hope they come through. Last night they did. Also keep in mind Clay goes tonight. Even if he pitches well, he probably isn't going more than 6, so you'll need the front end of the pen to close it out.

[Bellhorn04]

He did a good job of getting ERod out of the game before he blew up the game. 7 run rule be damned. There are you happy?

 

No, I won't be happy until you say it without the snark.

[georom4]

Is Merloni still holding his breath waiting for JF to be fired?

[oldtimer]

So what would you have done differently bullpen wise?

 

You don't use your top guys once you are 4 runs behind early. If you don't have a true long man i.e., a guy who can pitch 4-5 innings (and nobody does anymore), you use the back end and hope they come through. Last night they did. Also keep in mind Clay goes tonight. Even if he pitches well, he probably isn't going more than 6, so you'll need the front end of the pen to close it out.

 

Of course this was the right thing for JF to do, especially realizing we have been having difficulty overcoming multirun deficits the last couple of games. We were fortunate to have our second tier relief help hold to give us any shot to win.

[sk7326]

He's my favorite manager because he's the worst manager they've had during my years watching baseball IMHO. He overextends his RP, and Farrells his starters. He's good with the younger guys, but that's about it.

 

It was fun watching Girardi overmanage the 2009 Yankees into basically all of their losses in a postseason where they were best team on the field by a country mile. He is definitely one of those managers who gets a lot of respect because he does stuff - overmanaging as a way to look like he's "into the game".

[sk7326]

Time is running short. he finally had no choice but to get Erod to an early shower. The bullpen choices though were questionable, but they came through.

 

Every pitcher he chose was the one that made sense - especially without Wright being immediately available. BTW: was nice to see Tazawa strike out the side.

 

Hembree's splits are ghastly - but he is clearly somebody we put on the postseason roster ...

[a700hitter]

No, I won't be happy until you say it without the snark.

I did.

[Bellhorn04]

One thing I'm quite sure of is that if the circumstances last night were reversed, and Farrell pulled our starter at 93 pitches with a depleted bullpen and we lost like that, the firestorm would still be going.

[sk7326]

One thing I'm quite sure of is that if the circumstances last night were reversed, and Farrell pulled our starter at 93 pitches with a depleted bullpen and we lost like that, the firestorm would still be going.

 

With Tanaka's elbow and the 75 man September pen - pulling him was fine. Betances on his third straight day was not. Hooray us!

 

Any loss like that - regardless of the actual moves - would lead to aggressive second guessing.

[oldtimer]

One thing I'm quite sure of is that if the circumstances last night were reversed, and Farrell pulled our starter at 93 pitches with a depleted bullpen and we lost like that, the firestorm would still be going.

 

Yes, and that is just whats happening with the Yankee faithful. The other thing they are all worked up about is the failure to call a strike on Hanley when he seemed to offer at a pitch just before hitting the home run. I often find fans that do that silly since many prior ball and strike calls are always questionable, as they were in that game. Balls that miss the plate called strikes and balls that hit the plate called balls. Umpires are imperfect and that is just part of the game. Don't mean to bring up the argument for computer driven ball and strike calls, but some one probably will.

[Maxbialystock]

Time is running short. he finally had no choice but to get Erod to an early shower. The bullpen choices though were questionable, but they came through.

 

The bullpen went 6.2 innings and gave up 0 earned runs without having to use Kimbrel, Uehara, or Ziegler. You know nothing.

[Maxbialystock]

Time is running short. he finally had no choice but to get Erod to an early shower. The bullpen choices though were questionable, but they came through.

 

Come to think of it, thanks for writing that in plain sight. Chalk one up for station 13.