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[SoxnCycles]

I can't blame him for that, considering the circumstances with Lucchino.

 

You know how it works, Kimmi.

 

One can no longer say Theo sucks at his job, so the reasoning has to be switched to he's an idiot for leaving.

[Bellhorn04]

That gorilla suit stuff means nothing to me. All I care about is his overall record. And his overall record with the Sox was sensational. 2 championships, 4 trips to the ALCS, worst season 86 wins.

[mvp 78]

You know how it works, Kimmi.

 

One can no longer say Theo sucks at his job, so the reasoning has to be switched to he's an idiot for leaving.

 

He never really "sucked" at his job.

 

Also, a certain poster that is forever bashing Theo was pretty happy with him after they signed CC.

 

To me, Ben and Theo were cut from the same cloth and the Org didn't change all that much from one guy to the next. I think Dombrowski is bringing a new perspective and time will tell if he is as successful as his predecessors. Chances are, they won't win a WS under Dombrowski though.

[Bellhorn04]

He never really "sucked" at his job.

 

Also, a certain poster that is forever bashing Theo was pretty happy with him after they signed CC.

 

To me, Ben and Theo were cut from the same cloth and the Org didn't change all that much from one guy to the next. I think Dombrowski is bringing a new perspective and time will tell if he is as successful as his predecessors. Chances are, they won't win a WS under Dombrowski though.

 

Well that's a kick in the teeth...

[Kimmi]

Professionalism isn't walking out on a job when things don't go your way 100% of the time. He walked away while under contract. It's not a good look. I don't like Larry either, but instead of fixing the problem, he put on a gorilla suit and disappeared. It was about as professional as tearing up some throwback jerseys.

 

The gorilla suit thing was a fiasco. That was not professional.

 

However, leaving a job that you're unhappy with, or leaving a job where you and your boss have polarizing philosophies is not unprofessional. People do it all the time. IMO, ownership wanted Theo gone after 2011 as much as or more than Theo wanted to leave.

[Kimmi]

You know how it works, Kimmi.

 

One can no longer say Theo sucks at his job, so the reasoning has to be switched to he's an idiot for leaving.

 

People go out of their way criticize Theo. I don't get it.

[mvp 78]

The gorilla suit thing was a fiasco. That was not professional.

 

However, leaving a job that you're unhappy with, or leaving a job where you and your boss have polarizing philosophies is not unprofessional. People do it all the time. IMO, ownership wanted Theo gone after 2011 as much as or more than Theo wanted to leave.

 

He was under contract and walked off the job in a gorilla suit. It was a horrible lapse in judgement. You can't separate the two. It happened at the same time.

[mvp 78]

Well that's a kick in the teeth...

 

Just the percentages. The most likely chance is that Dombrowski is gone before another flag flies.

[Kimmi]

He was under contract and walked off the job in a gorilla suit. It was a horrible lapse in judgement. You can't separate the two. It happened at the same time.

 

Yes, I can separate the two.

[mvp 78]

Yes, I can separate the two.

 

Ok, you can. I can't.

[Bellhorn04]

I see no difference between the gorilla suit and some of the stunts Manny pulled. Yes, they were lapses in judgement or behavior, but they don't trump the overall performance. Not for me anyway.

[mvp 78]

I see no difference between the gorilla suit and some of the stunts Manny pulled. Yes, they were lapses in judgement or behavior, but they don't trump the overall performance. Not for me anyway.

 

And yet there are people who still hold Manny's stunts against him...

[Bellhorn04]

And yet there are people who still hold Manny's stunts against him...

 

No question.

[Kimmi]

And yet there are people who still hold Manny's stunts against him...

 

That is true, but I am not one of them.

[Spudboy]

I really don't care either way about how Manny and Theo are compared. Both did stupid things in the public eye.

 

However, it should be noted that Theo was in a position of authority. He was a manager within the organization.

 

Wearing the gorilla suit was unseemly and unprofessional. That kind of behavior was and remains unacceptable for a man in his position. I don't condone anything that Manny did either. But he was a minion while Theo was a leader. In the real world that makes a difference.

[Bellhorn04]

I really don't care either way about how Manny and Theo are compared. Both did stupid things in the public eye.

 

However, it should be noted that Theo was in a position of authority. He was a manager within the organization.

 

Wearing the gorilla suit was unseemly and unprofessional. That kind of behavior was and remains unacceptable for a man in his position. I don't condone anything that Manny did either. But he was a minion while Theo was a leader. In the real world that makes a difference.

 

Who got hurt by the gorilla suit? It was an in-house dispute that went a little too public, that's all. And it got fixed.

 

Much worse stuff has happened in other orgs. In Boston everything gets blown up into a major scandal. IMHO as always.

[SoxnCycles]

Who got hurt by the gorilla suit? It was an in-house dispute that went a little too public, that's all. And it got fixed.

 

Much worse stuff has happened in other orgs. In Boston everything gets blown up into a major scandal. IMHO as always.

 

Hasn't seemed to have put much of a crimp in his career, considering it's what some consider an egregious screw up.

If the media doesn't get wind of it, no one cares.

 

 

It certainly doesn't rise to the level of something like hitting on all the interns or getting hammered in the owners box.

[mvp 78]

That is true, but I am not one of them.

 

Didn't say you were.

[Northern Star]

He could have outlasted Lucchino. He walked. He is listed as a jerk in my thick Book of Jerks.

 

Theo Epstein - orchestrated the first WS title in 86 years = jerk.

 

Curt Schilling - contributed to win, but is an ******* personality-wise = can't say a bad word about him.

 

Have I got that right?

[a700hitter]

Theo Epstein - orchestrated the first WS title in 86 years = jerk.

 

Curt Schilling - contributed to win, but is an ******* personality-wise = can't say a bad word about him.

 

Have I got that right?

Theo Epstein = Overpaid suit who is interchangeable with any other baseball suit.

 

Curt Schilling = A sports hero who got the job done in the biggest spots under the most intense pressure. So yeah, you got it right.

[a700hitter]

Shields with 7 2/3 innings of shutout ball against the crosstown rival Cubs. LoL@ the Cubs.

[cp176]

I see no difference between the gorilla suit and some of the stunts Manny pulled. Yes, they were lapses in judgement or behavior, but they don't trump the overall performance. Not for me anyway.

 

the big difference for me would be that I think that Theo actually knew what he was doing. Manny's "stunts" were not stunts. He could hit - good for us. He is gone.

[Bellhorn04]

Theo Epstein = Overpaid suit who is interchangeable with any other baseball suit.

 

Curt Schilling = A sports hero who got the job done in the biggest spots under the most intense pressure. So yeah, you got it right.

 

Theo Epstein = 2 Red Sox championships

 

Curt Schilling = 2 Red Sox championships

 

I like them both. I like guys who help the Red Sox win championships and I stay loyal to them.

[Bellhorn04]

Theo Epstein = Overpaid suit who is interchangeable with any other baseball suit.

 

Curt Schilling = A sports hero who got the job done in the biggest spots under the most intense pressure. So yeah, you got it right.

 

BTW I'll argue with you all day every day about Theo, but I do have to respect your point of view about baseball executives, because you're 100% consistent about it.

[a700hitter]

BTW I'll argue with you all day every day about Theo, but I do have to respect your point of view about baseball executives, because you're 100% consistent about it.

I am as you know very indifferent to all baseball executives and management. With Theo, I have the additional issue/confusion about him voluntarily walking away from his dream job with his favorite team. i just can't understand or relate to that at all.

[Bellhorn04]

I am as you know very indifferent to all baseball executives and management. With Theo, I have the additional issue/confusion about him voluntarily walking away from his dream job with his favorite team. i just can't understand or relate to that at all.

 

I'm pretty cynical myself. I think Theo definitely has a good-sized ego and he wanted more power than Lucchino was prepared to give him. Kind of a Jimmy Johnson-Jerry Jones thing.

 

I think Theo's real dream job was with the Red Sox - but with total autonomy over baseball operations.

[Bellhorn04]

Lackey beats Sale, Chapman gets the 4-out save.

 

I think the Cubs are getting their mojo back and will finish strong.

[Kimmi]

I'm pretty cynical myself. I think Theo definitely has a good-sized ego and he wanted more power than Lucchino was prepared to give him. Kind of a Jimmy Johnson-Jerry Jones thing.

 

I think Theo's real dream job was with the Red Sox - but with total autonomy over baseball operations.

 

I agree that Theo has a good sized ego. I don't think he necessarily wanted total autonomy, but rather he needed people above him who agreed with his philosophy. If their philosophies had been more in sync, I think autonomy more or less happens.

[Northern Star]

So the Cubs really just played a song called "Smack My Bitch Up" after an Aroldis Chapman appearance? Someone's in big trouble.

[StephenCurry30]

^the cubs are claiming it was an accident, how does that song accidentally get played? why the f*** would you even have a song called "smack my bitch up" on your ballpark playlist?