2016 Starting Rotation

[mvp 78]

I put more stock into what Cafardo says than most of what is said here.

 

That's fine and the correct thing to do. However, he says a lot of things that are not based in reality. He is probably the least informed of all the beat writers.

[mvp 78]

Besides the Padres not having much at 3B, shedding some payroll would be their incentive. The Sox would have to take on Shields' contract and eat a good bit of Pablo's contract, I'm sure.

 

The Padres current 3b at one time was the #15 prospect in baseball. Why block him with Pablo?

 

The "rumors" also state the Sox would send a prospect too. Who would you give up?

Edited March 29, 2016 by mvp 78

[Dojji]

Deven marrero? Smooth fielding shortstop who's never gonna play here because he will probably never hit but might be OK in the National League?

[mvp 78]

You are correct. Shields would not be much of an upgrade over what we already have, though he should be able to give the team a lot of innings, which is valuable in its own right.

 

But having Pablo sit on the bench really does the team little good.

 

I'm not sure starting Pablo would do the team any good either...

 

The rotation right now is Price (ace), Buccholz (injured by AS break), Porcello (pitching like garbage atm), Kelly (has never pitched well for a full season) and Wright (never been a full time starter and is just a stand in for ERod who is hurt and who know when he'd pitch again). I'd say Shields is quite the upgrade at SP since he can consistently pitch 200 innings, which Porcello/Kelly/Buccholz/Wright/Rodriguez are unlikely to do.

Edited March 29, 2016 by mvp 78

[User Name]

"Hi, AJ, I'd like to offer you Rafael Devers 'mumble mumble val' for James Shields."

 

"Really, that sounds good, let's go over the financials then."

 

"Okay, we'll pay all of Shields' contract. You just have to pay all of Pablo's.."

 

Click.

 

If they offered Devers, the Padres would take Pablo's contract and maybe some of Shields'. Come back to reality plz.

[User Name]

I'm not sure starting Pablo would do the team any good either...

 

The rotation right now is Price (ace), Buccholz (injured by AS break), Porcello (pitching like garbage atm), Kelly (has never pitched well for a full season) and Wright (never been a full time starter and is just a stand in for ERod who is hurt and who know when he'd pitch again). I'd say Shields is quite the upgrade at SP since he can consistently pitch 200 innings, which Porcello/Kelly/Buccholz/Wright/Rodriguez has never done.

 

Porcello pitched 204.2 IP in 2014, but I digress.

[mvp 78]

Porcello pitched 204.2 IP in 2014, but I digress.

 

He averages about 178 innings per year. It's possible that he could pitch 200 innings this year, but he's not a surefire workhorse like Shields.

 

If he pitched like 2014 for the next few years, no one would complain about the contract.

[Kimmi]

The Padres current 3b at one time was the #15 prospect in baseball. Why block him with Pablo?

 

The "rumors" also state the Sox would send a prospect too. Who would you give up?

 

I would not give up any prospect of value.

 

I don't know what the Padres intentions are. I'm just going by what I've read about their interest in Pablo, from sources other than Cafardo.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kimmi, if the Padres offered you Shields for Pablo and a prospect, I think all prospects would be in play depending on the dollars moving. If you offer a C prospect, then you're eating all of Shields' and most of Pablo's contract

[Kimmi]

I'm not sure starting Pablo would do the team any good either...

 

The rotation right now is Price (ace), Buccholz (injured by AS break), Porcello (pitching like garbage atm), Kelly (has never pitched well for a full season) and Wright (never been a full time starter and is just a stand in for ERod who is hurt and who know when he'd pitch again). I'd say Shields is quite the upgrade at SP since he can consistently pitch 200 innings, which Porcello/Kelly/Buccholz/Wright/Rodriguez are unlikely to do.

 

Pablo might not do the team any good as a starter, but as I've said many times, it's in the team's best interest to give him a chance to bounce back. It makes all the sense in the world.

 

I acknowledged that Shields' ability to pitch 200 innings is valuable. Outside of that, he wouldn't be much of an upgrade. I have no problem adding him to our rotation and stashing Rodriguez in AAA until he is needed.

[mvp 78]

Kimmi, if the Padres offered you Shields for Pablo and a prospect, I think all prospects would be in play depending on the dollars moving. If you offer a C prospect, then you're eating all of Shields' and most of Pablo's contract

 

Beninturdi and Pablo for Shields? Not a chance.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi, if the Padres offered you Shields for Pablo and a prospect, I think all prospects would be in play depending on the dollars moving. If you offer a C prospect, then you're eating all of Shields' and most of Pablo's contract

 

"Depending on the dollars moving" is the key. I am going under the assumption that the Sox would eat most of Pablo's contract.

[jacksonianmarch]

They might. Or they might want to get their #2/3 for free. You send them Benintendi, then you're telling Preller that he's on the bag for the whole deal

[mvp 78]

I wouldn't do that trade if they ate all of Shields' and Pablo's deals. The Sox aren't the sisters of the poor, they can afford a bad contract without dumping their best contracts...

[jung]

I think this whole thing just blows up. I think what SD is trying to so is coax DD into a deal that really hurts us in prospects because they know his reputation better even than we do.

[mvp 78]

Would they throw in Wil Myers?

[sk7326]

Shields is highly durable, but he's not a top of the rotation type anymore.

 

Shields only virtue is that he never gets hurt. The market voted on him last year - fly ball pitcher ended up in a fly ball death zone. Now a Shields for Sandoval and prospect makes sense, but you have to use the Sox depth - someone like a Merrero level or something at best.

[iortiz]

Aside Price of course, I think Shields is a better bet than anyone of our current staff. He is a guaranteed 3.5-4 ERA/No.2-3 type pitcher these days who can provide you 180 IP+ at very least.

[sk7326]

Aside Price of course, I think Shields is a better bet than anyone of our current staff. He is a guaranteed 3.5-4 ERA/No.2-3 type pitcher these days who can provide you 180 IP+ at very least.

 

He has never pitched in anything less than perfect pitching environments (well last year the outfielders did not improve on potted plants, but it was Petco) - and last year had his worst numbers in years.

[jung]

This whole Shields thing just tells us how desperate we are and more bad news today.

 

Why the hell was Eddie throwing at all? There is no way to avoid trauma to surrounding tissue in the injury that he suffered. Even I know that having gone through more knee trauma than I care to discuss early in my sporting days. Once you see that trauma to the surrounding tissue the only thing you can do is stabilize the knee and wait for the surrounding tissue to heal. Thats it....no options here.

 

There is no way that is what happened here. There is no way all that damage had healed at the point when they started Eddie throwing again....He should not have been throwing even off the flats...just no way. If they had announced this push back under the circumstances Eddie should have been operating under I would just say....OK...it is coming along slowly....going to take longer. But NOOOOOOO....they had to start him throwing. I have no choice but to suspect that Eddie tweaked it throwing...what else am I to believe? So what now....more rounds of throw and get pushed back...throw and get pushed back. I am not encouraged by the mid-May projection could that just says to me that instead of doing what they should do, they are just going to keep doing this.

 

You mess with this injury without having the surrounding tissue heal properly and you are headed for the knife. The only thing appropriate for an athlete you care about is stabilization over a long period as in at least a month or more followed by therapy to strengthen the surrounding tissue and the joint itself. But NOOOOOOOOO not here, not in panic world. The Sox have been in panic mode since the Drew signing and it seems that no matter who is in the FO, who is in between Henry and the FO, its panic 24/7. Larry is gone..can't blame him. BC is gone...can't blame him. Farrell is already sounding like he is in full panic mode as nothing that makes any sense has come out of his mouth for days...weeks now. Maybe its Farrell or maybe it just comes down from the very top...from the walking cadaver John Henry.

[iortiz]

He has never pitched in anything less than perfect pitching environments (well last year the outfielders did not improve on potted plants, but it was Petco) - and last year had his worst numbers in years.

 

That's not true. He has pitched in different type of parks Since 2006. Some are hitters park. Some pitcher parks. Not to mention that he pitched in the ALE a lot of games. Is he in decline? Likely, but I think he can post easily a 4 ERA and 180 IP regardless the park.

[mvp 78]

Jung, I've seen no one stating the ERod has been pushed back or that he reinjured himself. Where are you getting this from?

[Kimmi]

Aside Price of course, I think Shields is a better bet than anyone of our current staff. He is a guaranteed 3.5-4 ERA/No.2-3 type pitcher these days who can provide you 180 IP+ at very least.

 

Shields is probably a better bet than anyone besides Price to give us 200 innings, but I don't think he'd be a better bet for better quality of innings.

[Kimmi]

Jung, I've seen no one stating the ERod has been pushed back or that he reinjured himself. Where are you getting this from?

 

I have not seen this either.

[sk7326]

That's not true. He has pitched in different type of parks Since 2006. Some are hitters park. Some pitcher parks. Not to mention that he pitched in the ALE a lot of games. Is he in decline? Likely, but I think he can post easily a 4 ERA and 180 IP regardless the park.

 

Aside from one year had some significant home/road FIP splits. Tampa and KC were pitchers parks with outstanding defenses behind him.

[User Name]

Aside from one year had some significant home/road FIP splits. Tampa and KC were pitchers parks with outstanding defenses behind him.

 

The best defenses in the league for the most part, but iortiz will never let facts get in the way of a good argument. Kind of like a Trump supporter.

[User Name]

Jung, I've seen no one stating the ERod has been pushed back or that he reinjured himself. Where are you getting this from?

 

jung really really really really needs to stop making s*** up.

[Dojji]

Shields is probably a better bet than anyone besides Price to give us 200 innings, but I don't think he'd be a better bet for better quality of innings.

 

When your strength is in the pen, quantity of innings from the starters is almost more important than quality. If we get a little lucky, we could have a very strong bullpen this year and a highly durable rotation is enough to compliment a good offense and a strong backend -- the Royals established that last year

[mvp 78]

jung really really really really needs to stop making s*** up.

 

He'll probably just say "I don't need the beat writers who are in the pockets of management or the coaches who are just trying to save their jobs or the players who are just cashing checks or the trainers who aren't good enough to be real doctors so why are they trainers because they just failed out of medical school and aren't smart enough to know how to use a stethoscope even though every 5 year old has one in the veterinarian kit and it's not like I'd let them even put a band-aid on me telling me whether or not Rodriguez has been pushed back because it's clear he has or else why would have not be on the roster on opening day they should have never let him throw another pitch until he was 100% healthy."

 

That's my guess anyway.

[User Name]

He'll probably just say "I don't need the beat writers who are in the pockets of management or the coaches who are just trying to save their jobs or the players who are just cashing checks or the trainers who aren't good enough to be real doctors so why are they trainers because they just failed out of medical school and aren't smart enough to know how to use a stethoscope even though every 5 year old has one in the veterinarian kit and it's not like I'd let them even put a band-aid on me telling me whether or not Rodriguez has been pushed back because it's clear he has or else why would have not be on the roster on opening day they should have never let him throw another pitch until he was 100% healthy."

 

That's my guess anyway.

 

Did jung actually take over your body when writing that post?