2016 Prospects Thread

[Kimmi]

That's what I said a few pages back, and I wonder if that is why the book has been thrown against just the Sox.

 

I'm sure there will be more coming out about this, but as of now, it seems to be the reason.

[a700hitter]

Please try to control your excitement over this. This is not a good thing for the Sox.

i am just surprised that so many of our fellow Red Sox fans are whining about this like the Red Sox have been mistreated in this instance. This was a dirty deal, and there is no sugar coating it. I never thought much of BC as a GM, but I always thought he had integrity. This changes my mind.

[Spudboy]

i am just surprised that so many of our fellow Red Sox fans are whining about this like the Red Sox have been mistreated in this instance. This was a dirty deal, and there is no sugar coating it. I never thought much of BC as a GM, but I always thought he had integrity. This changes my mind.

 

Strong words.

 

If Ben is culpable for this his image takes a huge hit. Not so Ivy League squeaky clean anymore.

[User Name]

So Cherington oversaw, by himself, the entire international Red Sox operation? Ok.

[a700hitter]

So Cherington oversaw, by himself, the entire international Red Sox operation? Ok.

No, but where does the buck stop?

[User Name]

Ownership. They sign the checks and directly oversee int'l spending and deals. Blame Henry.

[Kimmi]

i am just surprised that so many of our fellow Red Sox fans are whining about this like the Red Sox have been mistreated in this instance. This was a dirty deal, and there is no sugar coating it. I never thought much of BC as a GM, but I always thought he had integrity. This changes my mind.

 

We don't have all the details, so we really don't know what is going on. Maybe the Sox are being made an example of. Maybe not. Your words regarding Cherington's integrity are a little harsh though, not having all the facts.

[Spudboy]

The man was the GM of the team. He had people working for him that did this stuff one could assume.

 

Maybe he did not know anything about this issue. If so, he was a total dunce.

 

How many times will you make excuses for what was a poor General Manager? He made more bad moves than good ones.

 

And the bad ones have been very costly.

 

I would have fired him for allowing this s*** to happen. So maybe Henry deserves blame either way.

[a700hitter]

Ownership. They sign the checks and directly oversee int'l spending and deals. Blame Henry.

Agreed, and it is Henry's organization that is getting punished. BC is off teaching college. I find it implausible that BC didn't know what was going on.

[Spudboy]

Agreed, and it is Henry's organization that is getting punished. BC is off teaching college. I find it implausible that BC didn't know what was going on.

 

Of course he knew!!!! Lol!!1

 

How could he do such a sterling job of maintaining a strong player development system without knowledge of who he was hiring to play ball? Makes no sense to think that he did not know.

[Kimmi]

The man was the GM of the team. He had people working for him that did this stuff one could assume.

 

Maybe he did not know anything about this issue. If so, he was a total dunce.

 

How many times will you make excuses for what was a poor General Manager? He made more bad moves than good ones.

 

And the bad ones have been very costly.

 

I would have fired him for allowing this s*** to happen. So maybe Henry deserves blame either way.

 

I'm not making excuses for him. Read my previous posts.

 

Not having all the facts, I'm just going to give him the benefit of the doubt before saying that he has no integrity.

 

I am sure that he was aware of what was going on, whatever it was. It does not look good.

[Kimmi]

Of course he knew!!!! Lol!!1

 

How could he do such a sterling job of maintaining a strong player development system without knowledge of who he was hiring to play ball? Makes no sense to think that he did not know.

 

I don't think anyone claimed that he didn't know.

[a700hitter]

I'm not making excuses for him. Read my previous posts.

 

Not having all the facts, I'm just going to give him the benefit of the doubt before saying that he has no integrity.

 

I am sure that he was aware of what was going on, whatever it was. It does not look good.

so, it doesn't look good for his integrity, does it?

[User Name]

It doesn't matter whether or not he knew. He has to do what ownership tells him to. This seems like the strategy of someone who made himself a billionaire by living on the edges of the financial system. Wonder who that could be?

[Emp9]

The Red Sox had limits put on them after signing Yoan Moncada. All this stems from exceeding thier international pool due to the Moncada signing. And if you want to know what I think, as i'm sure some of you don't LOL:), it was all worth it. MLB could tack-on another year of restrictions and I still wouldn't care. Getting Moncada trumps all this bs. Good job Ben.

[Kimmi]

The Red Sox had limits put on them after signing Yoan Moncada. All this stems from exceeding thier international pool due to the Moncada signing. And if you want to know what I think, as i'm sure some of you don't LOL:), it was all worth it. MLB could tack-on another year of restrictions and I still wouldn't care. Getting Moncada trumps all this bs. Good job Ben.

 

I love you. That is all.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox had limits put on them after signing Yoan Moncada. All this stems from exceeding thier international pool due to the Moncada signing. And if you want to know what I think, as i'm sure some of you don't LOL:), it was all worth it. MLB could tack-on another year of restrictions and I still wouldn't care. Getting Moncada trumps all this bs. Good job Ben.

He should be in shackles in the DR for his dirty dealings.

[User Name]

Venezuela. That's where the real prospect packages happened.

 

Ted, also, it's not a tax issue in either country, since the tax cost of the "service transfer" is fixed, at least here in DR. No matter how the money for the prospects was allocated, they paid the same flat tax rate. The only rules they circumvented pertain to the international signings protocol.

[a700hitter]

Venezuela. That's where the real prospect packages happened.

 

Ted, also, it's not a tax issue in either country, since the tax cost of the "service transfer" is fixed, at least here in DR. No matter how the money for the prospects was allocated, they paid the same flat tax rate. The only rules they circumvented pertain to the international signings protocol.

What about the income tax consequences to the players? If player B gets $300 k of which $250 k is intended for player A, how would that work? Here there would be assignment of income issues. I guess if those issues don't exist in a flat tax environment.

[Bellhorn04]

What about the income tax consequences to the players? If player B gets $300 k of which $250 k is intended for player A, how would that work? Here there would be assignment of income issues. I guess if those issues don't exist in a flat tax environment.

 

Squaring up for the individual tax liabilities would presumably be part of the backroom deal.

[User Name]

The deals happened in Latin American countries where the taxation structure is different as well.

[a700hitter]

Squaring up for the individual tax liabilities would presumably be part of the backroom deal.

Or not squaring up for it. Ballplayers and their representatives are not real good at tax compliance. Some have even gone to jail. Jerry Koosman is the last one that I can remember.

[User Name]

The contractual process is overseen by MLB. The representatives who have got in trouble have done so because they have tried to maliciously break the rules.

[Bellhorn04]

Ballplayers and their representatives are not real good at tax compliance. Some have even gone to jail. Jerry Koosman is the last one that I can remember.

 

But how do ballplayers as a class compare to other classes in the same income tax brackets.

[Emp9]

The deals happened in Latin American countries where the taxation structure is different as well.

 

I know some trade beans for oil. And baseball players for money. I've no idea what thier tax structure is.

[Emp9]

I love you. That is all.

 

Lol

[User Name]

I know some trade beans for oil. And baseball players for money. I've no idea what thier tax structure is.

 

Hilariously, the two countries most involved in the mess (Venezuela and DR) are the providers of oil and beans, respectively, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the respective tax structures, and other than hilarity purposes, I don't see how that's relevant.

[a700hitter]

But how do ballplayers as a class compare to other classes in the same income tax brackets.

Probably worse because they don't have very good heads for business, and lots of the retired guys don't have much in the way of representation.

[Emp9]

Hilariously, the two countries most involved in the mess (Venezuela and DR) are the providers of oil and beans, respectively, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the respective tax structures, and other than hilarity purposes, I don't see how that's relevant.

 

Ah, Good. Hilarious, factual, and irrelvant was exactly what I was shooting for there.

[User Name]

Ah, Good. Hilarious, factual, and irrelvant was exactly what I was shooting for there.

 

You succeeded then.