2015 Red Sox Trade Deadline Thread

[Kimmi]

Heres to Victorino - He was great for us and we were great for him. Sorry to see him leave but it was inevitable. Now -, if it was a "salary dump", it looks like we got screwed again. As for what we got in return, we would have been just as well off letting him finish his contract year on the bench or playing every third day. We have lots of guys who are already filling the role of utility player. We don't need anymore.

 

As much as I love Victorino, he was really serving no purpose being on the team the remainder of the season. Why not get something for him in return? Rutledge may not amount to anything, but everyone said the same thing about De Aza. De Aza is not a game changer, nor is Rutledge, but he may be able to help the team in some small way going forward.

[Thunder]

I know this is a business in all, but when I found out about the Victorino trade, the kid inside of me cried. Defensively, I modeled a lot of what I carry with me now in the outfield from what I saw from him in 2013. It still wasn't as much emotion that I showed when I heard about the Lester trade last year when I was away at camp.

[SoxnCycles]

Asking a question is now defined as bitching. What an *******.

 

And you're still clueless.

Impressive run you're on today, even for you.

[Kimmi]

I know this is a business in all, but when I found out about the Victorino trade, the kid inside of me cried. Defensively, I modeled a lot of what I carry with me now in the outfield from what I saw from him in 2013. It still wasn't as much emotion that I showed when I heard about the Lester trade last year when I was away at camp.

 

Victorino is a great player to model yourself after. I didn't get to see his farewill speech, from what I've read, it was emotional and straight from the heart.

[SoxnCycles]

Victorino is a great player to model yourself after. I didn't get to see his farewill speech, from what I've read, it was emotional and straight from the heart.

 

Don't watch it.

You'll most likely cry your eyes out.

He pretty much did.

 

Too bad his body bailed on him the last two years.

I can't stand Scioscia, but I wouldn't mind seeing Victorino win one more ring with the Angels.

[Kimmi]

Don't watch it.

You'll most likely cry your eyes out.

He pretty much did.

 

Too bad his body bailed on him the last two years.

I can't stand Scioscia, but I wouldn't mind seeing Victorino win one more ring with the Angels.

 

Oh I'm sure I would bawl my eyes out. I read that he was very teary, and that it was sincere - nothing at all staged about it. I'm going to have to find it and watch it now.

 

I can't stand Scioscia either, but like you, I would be happy for Victorino if he won another ring. I'm happy for him that he gets the chance.

[cp176]

As much as I love Victorino, he was really serving no purpose being on the team the remainder of the season. Why not get something for him in return? Rutledge may not amount to anything, but everyone said the same thing about De Aza. De Aza is not a game changer, nor is Rutledge, but he may be able to help the team in some small way going forward.

 

It was a sad ending for him for sure but i agree that the purpose he served just wasn't there for him anymore. Actually I don't care what they do with their money either but if it was a move to cut payroll, didn't really help out to much. If he could have been packaged in a trade maybe it would have made a little more sense but Rutledge coming to boston or wherever really means next to nothing. The philosophy of stockpiling players of marginal talent hasn't worked and isn't likely to .

[SoxnCycles]

It was a sad ending for him for sure but i agree that the purpose he served just wasn't there for him anymore. Actually I don't care what they do with their money either but if it was a move to cut payroll, didn't really help out to much. If he could have been packaged in a trade maybe it would have made a little more sense but Rutledge coming to boston or wherever really means next to nothing. The philosophy of stockpiling players of marginal talent hasn't worked and isn't likely to .

 

I'm not sure what you were expecting to get for a guy that's played 63 games in 2 years.

 

The Sox are probably lucky they didn't have to pay all of his remaining salary.

[Palodios]

Okay, keep it until he gets fired, which he will.

 

So they fire Ben. Then what? They hire some smuck that you badmouth just as much, and in 6 years after that GM won a championship, but came in last a few times you're happy to see him gone too.

[cp176]

I'm not sure what you were expecting to get for a guy that's played 63 games in 2 years.

 

The Sox are probably lucky they didn't have to pay all of his remaining salary.

 

Everyone is aware of how much time he missed. It is just sad to see. A player with actual talent who could help going to a decent team with a chance . In return, we pay most of his salary and get someone who might help Pawtucket. If this is the direction they are going, I would prefer to see them make more of them as opposed to fewer. I feel just as badly about Napoli but kind of looks like his time has come. I also can't say that my excitement meter jumped to 10 when I saw Nava replace him last night. While we are at, maybe somebody would be willing to pay a little of Kelly's contract so we don't have to watch him any more as well. to address your first statement - once again, I thought that we might see some sort of package created to try to get something back in return. Maybe that is not realistic enough but letting them go the way they let Victorino go isn't doing any good for us. I realize that in this case Castillo gets his chance. I hope that he is better than we have seen so far. As for Victorino - He might be a little sad right now but if he is able to play at all I think that he will be a lot happier than he would be in Boston this year.

[iortiz]

So they fire Ben. Then what? They hire some smuck that you badmouth just as much, and in 6 years after that GM won a championship, but came in last a few times you're happy to see him gone too.

 

Do not be pessimist Pal

[iortiz]

This is a great franchise. Great fan base. Great history. Great ball park. Great city. Plenty of resources. Unfortunately this team is run very poorly. We have all to at least be competitive every year. Aside 2013 which at this point seems to me like a fluke year than anything else, this team has been run very bad in recent years. All I ask is a competitive team. How worse can it go with a different strategy and direction? we are one of the worst teams in baseball in recent years, asaide 2013.

[a700hitter]

So they fire Ben. Then what? They hire some smuck that you badmouth just as much, and in 6 years after that GM won a championship, but came in last a few times you're happy to see him gone too.

What is with this last place stuff. Why are we having to get used to finishing last like that should be a normal occurrence? I have been a fan since 1967 and before these three last place finishes, I think there was one last place finish under coke-head Hobson. Finishing last with regularity is not something that should occur with this franchise. Ben got two mulligans -- one for the blame it on Theo and Bobby V year in 2012 and another in 2014 for winning the Championship in 2013. He is out of mulligans. It is time to count his strokes and he doesn't make the cut. Edited July 28, 2015 by a700hitter

[SoxnCycles]

Everyone is aware of how much time he missed. It is just sad to see. A player with actual talent who could help going to a decent team with a chance . In return, we pay most of his salary and get someone who might help Pawtucket. If this is the direction they are going, I would prefer to see them make more of them as opposed to fewer. I feel just as badly about Napoli but kind of looks like his time has come. I also can't say that my excitement meter jumped to 10 when I saw Nava replace him last night. While we are at, maybe somebody would be willing to pay a little of Kelly's contract so we don't have to watch him any more as well. to address your first statement - once again, I thought that we might see some sort of package created to try to get something back in return. Maybe that is not realistic enough but letting them go the way they let Victorino go isn't doing any good for us. I realize that in this case Castillo gets his chance. I hope that he is better than we have seen so far. As for Victorino - He might be a little sad right now but if he is able to play at all I think that he will be a lot happier than he would be in Boston this year.

 

I hear you, but the fact that Victorino is a talented player, when healthy, is probably the only reason the Sox were able to move him.

It would be almost impossible to trade someone like Napoli. He's making 16 mil this year and hitting .208.

They're better off DFAing him. They'll still have to pay him, but he'll be off the 40 man roster.

 

As for Kelly, he's making about 600K, so there's really no savings on his contract to be had.

The bullpen has taken such a beating that I rather see him throw 98mph fastballs for an inning or two.

That's probably his only value, at this point.

[User Name]

So they fire Ben. Then what? They hire some smuck that you badmouth just as much, and in 6 years after that GM won a championship, but came in last a few times you're happy to see him gone too.

 

This man speaks the truth.

[cp176]

We are all frustrated by the way things are going. I would feel better about the franchise in general if they told Kelly he was going to the pen where he can actually do us some good. Actually I still think Masterson has a limited chance if he is used exclusively in a bullpen role. How about just telling Ramirez that he is going to be playing first base for the rest of the season just to see if he actually can. What the hell? I just see these as being logical moves. Regardless of what anybody thinks about JBJ, bring him up and stick him in the outfield and leave him there for the rest of this season. It is going to take a little different approach and maybe even some nuts to get them back on track. They may not be too far away and that is what is particularly frustrating. Grab 2 good arms - a few interior moves - might be enough and certainly would be better.

[Spudboy]

Do not be pessimist Pal

 

It is a valid question, though. Fire Ben. Then what?

 

I very much doubt that there is a Plug and Play GM in the waiting that can come in and instantly undue the mess left behind while loading the roster to compete in 2016 and 2017.

[a700hitter]

It is a valid question, though. Fire Ben. Then what?

 

I very much doubt that there is a Plug and Play GM in the waiting that can come in and instantly undue the mess left behind while loading the roster to compete in 2016 and 2017.

I am pretty sure that we can finish last 3 out of 4 years without him.

[Spudboy]

I am pretty sure that we can finish last 3 out of 4 years without him.

 

But that does not turn this team around.

 

Who would be the replacement and what tools would this new guy bring to bear that Ben seems to lack?

[iortiz]

It is a valid question, though. Fire Ben. Then what?

 

I very much doubt that there is a Plug and Play GM in the waiting that can come in and instantly undue the mess left behind while loading the roster to compete in 2016 and 2017.

Then what? This is what JH and his crew have to work out already. As I said, they need to rebuild the FO first (whatever that means), and then execute the new strategy and direction for the short/mid/long term.

[iortiz]

But that does not turn this team around.

 

Who would be the replacement and what tools would this new guy bring to bear that Ben seems to lack?

 

I suggested few years ago a guy like Friedman. I'm pretty sure that out there are several candidates who can run this team successfully.

Edited July 28, 2015 by iortiz

[a700hitter]

The scouting department probably needs to be upgraded and that is also the GM's resposibility. There are probably some exceutives out there tht had been GMs that would take the job.

[a700hitter]

This is following the Omar Minaya theory of building a bullpen which was get relievers that had a good track record after they have had an off year. It really never worked for the Mets.

 

The most significant piece of news in this is that Buchholz has been moved to the 60 day DL meaning that his earliest return date is now September 9th.

 

Red Sox Claim Jean Machi From Giants

By Steve Adams [July 28, 2015 at 2:26pm CDT]

 

The Red Sox announced that they have claimed right-handed reliever Jean Machi off waivers from the Giants. In order to clear room on the 40-man roster, right-hander Clay Buchholz has been transferred from the 15-day DL to the 60-day DL, meaning he can’t be activated until at least Sept. 9 (h/t: Tim Britton of the Providence Journal, on Twitter).

 

The 33-year-old Machi had a somewhat surprising breakout season in San Francisco’s bullpen in 2013, and over the ’13-’14 seasons he totaled a 2.49 ERA with 7.7 K/9 against 2.3 BB/9 in 119 1/3 innings of relief. However, he’s struggled a good deal in 2015, with an ERA of 5.14 in addition to K/9 and BB/9 rates that have taken significant steps backwards. He’s also missed about three weeks due to a groin strain.

 

On the plus side for Machi, his velocity (92.6 mph) is still about the same as it was in previous seasons. His ground-ball rate, while down a bit, is still an above-average 49.6 percent. The Red Sox will hope that the strong 119 1/3 innings he displayed from 2013-14 are more indicative of his talent level than the 35 poor innings he’s delivered in 2015. Machi figures to be a Super Two player this winter, as he’ll finish the year with two years, 154 days of big league service if he remains on Boston’s big league roster all year. The Sox will have the ability to control him through the 2019 season if he can rediscover the successful form he showed in recent seasons.

 

[Elktonnick]

The scouting department probably needs to be upgraded and that is also the GM's resposibility. There are probably some exceutives out there tht had been GMs that would take the job.

 

Dan Duquette didn't take that long to turn the O's around. Admittedly the O's haven't won the world series but the ballclub has at least returned to respectability. I am sure that they could find a GM who could do the same. I don't think Ben has the capability to do that. I question his judgement.

 

The sooner Henry and company bite the bullet and hire a competent GM and give him the authority to clean house, the sooner the Red Sox can return to at least respectability. Let's face this club is not respectable and unless they make major adjustments to their pitching they won't be for some time.

[Palodios]

If only Buch could have lasted a few more weeks, the Red Sox might have gotten something shiny for him. Now, we're sitting here waiting for him to get kicked off the roster.

[Bellhorn04]

If only Buch could have lasted a few more weeks, the Red Sox might have gotten something shiny for him. Now, we're sitting here waiting for him to get kicked off the roster.

 

Kind of a Catch-22 though. If he had stayed healthy I don't think they would have traded him.

[a700hitter]

Kind of a Catch-22 though. If he had stayed healthy I don't think they would have traded him.

I agree. That is the conundrum. If he stays healthy he is productive and the team wants to keep him. If he gets injured, they wan to trade him but they can't.

[Palodios]

Its hard to trade cheap controlled pitching when you need cheap, controllable pitching. That being said, the Reds got 3 potential starters for half a season of Cueto despite many scouts concerned his elbow is falling off.

[Kimmi]

It was a sad ending for him for sure but i agree that the purpose he served just wasn't there for him anymore. Actually I don't care what they do with their money either but if it was a move to cut payroll, didn't really help out to much. If he could have been packaged in a trade maybe it would have made a little more sense but Rutledge coming to boston or wherever really means next to nothing. The philosophy of stockpiling players of marginal talent hasn't worked and isn't likely to .

 

I don't think it was a move to cut payroll. It was a move to open a roster spot for Castillo and get something, however little, back in return. Cherington stated today that he has had interest in Rutledge since his days with the Rockies. Maybe he can be a viable bench player. If not, no harm done.

[Northern Star]

Its hard to trade cheap controlled pitching when you need cheap, controllable pitching. That being said, the Reds got 3 potential starters for half a season of Cueto despite many scouts concerned his elbow is falling off.

 

What kind of starters, though, 1 - 5?