2015 Red Sox Trade Deadline Thread

[Palodios]

They don't even turn out mid level or back end rotation types. It is a huge organizational weakness. It has nothing to do with draft position.

 

Your argument was that this organization didn't draft aces, so that was what I was responding to.

 

As far as midlevel/back end rotation types... let's give it a few months before making this kind of claim. Johnson and Owens were both drafted by this organization and could turn into impact guys. They need an ace in front of them, but we seem to agree on that.

[a700hitter]

Your argument was that this organization didn't draft aces, so that was what I was responding to.

 

As far as midlevel/back end rotation types... let's give it a few months before making this kind of claim. Johnson and Owens were both drafted by this organization and could turn into impact guys. They need an ace in front of them, but we seem to agree on that.

There has been an organizational drought with regard to pitching. Plus, aces aren't limited to the first round. DeGrom was a 9 th round pick. We are bad at finding and developing pitchers.

[Palodios]

There has been an organizational drought with regard to pitching. Plus, aces aren't limited to the first round. DeGrom was a 9 th round pick. We are bad at finding and developing pitchers.

 

There was a report out last week that Degrom was almost sent to the Red Sox for a backup catcher in 2012. At the time, he was a low ceiling prospect that neither team regarded that highly. It seems silly to judge a team on its lottery picks.

[a700hitter]

There was a report out last week that Degrom was almost sent to the Red Sox for a backup catcher in 2012. At the time, he was a low ceiling prospect that neither team regarded that highly. It seems silly to judge a team on its lottery picks.

The Mets said no. They knew enough to keep him.

 

DeGrom was an example. You are derailing the larger point into a debate about an example. We haven't had a pitcher of any consequence produced by our system since Buch. That is a long time. I really don't care about a bunch of explanations and excuses. We are just not good at drafting and developing pitching. There are many top pitchers that have been drafted after our draft picks. Our record speaks for itself.

[User Name]

There was a report out last week that Degrom was almost sent to the Red Sox for a backup catcher in 2012. At the time, he was a low ceiling prospect that neither team regarded that highly. It seems silly to judge a team on its lottery picks.

 

What we're experiencing a drought is on goddamn logic. Aces don't grow on treest. That's why they're aces.

[sk7326]

Trey Ball was drafted at 7th overall. Excluding pitchers who didn't sign, the next pitchers to go were:

 

Braden Shipley at 15th overall.

Chris Anderson at 18th overall

Marco Gonzales 19th overall

Jonathon Crawford 20th overall

Hunter Harvey 22nd overall

Alex Gonzalez 23rd overall

 

None of these guys are stud pitchers in the majors right now.

 

Those are a lot of poor draft positions.

[sk7326]

Fun fact - the best team in the AL had zero #1 or #2 starters until yesterday.

[Palodios]

Victorino headed to the Angels.

 

He was a great player in 2013, and I was happy they signed him. Its too bad about the injuries, hopefully he has some success in LA.

[mvp 78]

Victorino headed to the Angels.

 

He was a great player in 2013, and I was happy they signed him. Its too bad about the injuries, hopefully he has some success in LA.

 

Great news. He'll be closer to home amd we won't have to play him anymore.

[a700hitter]

We get Josh Rutledge in return. I am not sure what we want with him. He had been a very hot prospect with the Rockies a few years ago. He got a couple of shots with them when Tulo was injured. He never panned out. He is 25 years old and he plays SS. We have Xander for SS We have Holt as our super utility guy. I can't see that he will have any role in our organization.

[gojohn99]

Maybe Pedroia's injury is more serious than announced? Thanks for 2013 Shane.

 

We get Josh Rutledge in return...... I can't see that he will have any role in our organization.

[Spudboy]

I wonder what the total deal was? How much did the Sox have to eat?

 

Looks like 3.8 mil.

 

Such a deal already!

[Spudboy]

So the Cuban Wonder Boy has been recalled.

 

Time for some ballin'!

[Palodios]

Rutledge career splits are roughly equal -- .700 OPS against both sides. He's a utility player type, with poor defense at multiple positions.

 

He seems like the kind of fill-in player you pick up when you're about to sell some players on your team, and you need warm bodies.

[a700hitter]

Rutledge career splits are roughly equal -- .700 OPS against both sides. He's a utility player type, with poor defense at multiple positions.

 

He seems like the kind of fill-in player you pick up when you're about to sell some players on your team, and you need warm bodies.

 

So it was a pure salary dump where we ate most of the money.

 

Can we give away Cy Kelly?

[Palodios]

You are derailing the larger point into a debate about an example. We haven't had a pitcher of any consequence produced by our system since Buch.

 

I agree that the farm system hasn't produced much pitching from 2009-2014. Tazawa, Doubront, Bard, Workman. Besides Taz, that's pretty awful. That being said, there are 4 young starters with MLB potential on the 40 man roster right now, so your point may lose a lot of validity in the next few months.

[a700hitter]

I agree that the farm system hasn't produced much pitching from 2009-2014. Tazawa, Doubront, Bard, Workman. Besides Taz, that's pretty awful. That being said, there are 4 young starters with MLB potential on the 40 man roster right now, so your point may lose a lot of validity in the next few months.

 

2007(Buch) until 2015 and counting is a long drought. That point will lose no validity no matter what happens in the next few months.

[Palodios]

2007(Buch) until 2015 and counting is a long drought. That point will lose no validity no matter what happens in the next few months.

 

How can you say the current scouting department has a bad eye for pitching if they bring in a pile of solid young pitchers?

 

The 2007-2010 drafts were awful, but I would imagine that's a whole different team than the group they have now.

[a700hitter]

How can you say the current scouting department has a bad eye for pitching if they bring in a pile of solid young pitchers?

 

The 2007-2010 drafts were awful, but I would imagine that's a whole different team than the group they have now.

we've seen a pile alright. I' ll wait for the pile of good pitchers before I sing their praises. Has there been a big turnover in our scouting department recently? How long has this crew been in place?

[Spudboy]

2007(Buch) until 2015 and counting is a long drought. That point will lose no validity no matter what happens in the next few months.

 

Yup.

[Bellhorn04]

Fun fact - the best team in the AL had zero #1 or #2 starters until yesterday.

 

They have an excellent bullpen, another thing we don't.

[Northern Star]

Great news. He'll be closer to home amd we won't have to play him anymore.

 

So f***ing glad he's gone. Who's the bag of baseballs we got in return?

[iortiz]

They have an excellent bullpen, another thing we don't.

 

... and the best defense in baseball.

[dupree]

Good move trading Vic and letting Castillo have regular playing time the rest of the year.

 

Now we need to trade Napoli to the Pirates to clear the way for Hanley to get time there to see if he can handle it or if it will have to address it in the offseason.

[a700hitter]

How can you say the current scouting department has a bad eye for pitching if they bring in a pile of solid young pitchers?

 

The 2007-2010 drafts were awful, but I would imagine that's a whole different team than the group they have now.

 

Pal, you need to replace the "In Ben we trust" signature. It's a little embarrassing as he leads us to a third last place finish. The sig is like having a "Nixon is the One" bumper sticker. Why advertise choosing failure.

[BigPapi]

Blue Jays awesome offense just got better by getting Tulowitski. Thats great and all, but they still can't pitch.

[iortiz]

Tulo to Toronto? Wow!

[User Name]

I wonder if they plan to flip him to the Mets for pitching. Otherwise that deal does not make much sense.

[Spudboy]

I know Reyes is not dependable but he is an iron man compared to Tulo.

 

Like UN says, this makes no sense.

 

They are not going anywhere this year. How long is Tulo under control?

[Palodios]

Pal, you need to replace the "In Ben we trust" signature. It's a little embarrassing as he leads us to a third last place finish. The sig is like having a "Nixon is the One" bumper sticker. Why advertise choosing failure.

 

Ben made a pile of trades that won the Red Sox a championship. He has built a farm system referred to by some experts as the best in the majors. He's also made some terrible moves lately.

 

I buy into the big picture of the team's current strategy. They're building a core of young players, and not trading away any top talent. They need an ace, but they know, and I think they're going to get one.