Is the actual rotation the worst in the last 10 Y?

[Northern Star]

Well Jacko, we've known each other for a while. We've both certainly grown and matured in our understanding of the game. While I remain an aggressive *******, and you a generally obnoxious, needling Yankee fan, there is one thing I am certain the both of us can agree on: Some Red Sox fans, A) Aren't very smart, and Just can't seem to let some s*** go.

 

Is there any other kind of Yankees fan than obnoxious?

[iortiz]

And Pal and Spud and YOTN...

 

YTON was one who showed interest to my offer, but in the end he didn't agreed with my conditions so we didn't closed the deal which is fine, you can't blame me for trying haha. As I said, some showed interest and some did not. Do not worry, I closed my offering a couple of days ago but being honest I was tempted to make you an offer you can't refuse about Lester vs Porcello, but as I said, I do not want you to get offended since you are sensitive about this topic, so I won't.

Edited May 3, 2015 by iortiz

[Spudboy]

Well Jacko, we've known each other for a while. We've both certainly grown and matured in our understanding of the game. While I remain an aggressive *******, and you a generally obnoxious, needling Yankee fan, there is one thing I am certain the both of us can agree on: Some Red Sox fans, A) Aren't very smart, and Just can't seem to let some s*** go.

 

Do tell.

[iortiz]

About the whole betting thing, I don't mind a harmless sig bet, not that I would ever feel the need to propose one. However, since a bet was offered to me, and I am confident enough in my opinion of Porcello, I accepted the bet. Not a problem.

 

What I don't like is the insinuation by a couple of posters here that if one is not willing to accept a bet, that he/she is a chicken, a wuss, less of a man, less of a person, or otherwise has some type of character flaw. Or that said person doesn't really believe what he/she is saying. Some people just don't bet, for any number of reasons. It's as simple as that. Trying to prove one's manliness through betting is kind of silly, IMO.

 

It's just for fun Kimmi, and in order to put some pepper and make it more interesting. Thing is that some of you are very sure about Porcello so I found an opportunity to cash some money; as I said, you can't blame me for trying haha.

 

Anyways, we have an agreement, the only doubt I have is how long the sign is going to be managed by the winner? A month? Or how long do you suggest?

[Kimmi]

It's just for fun Kimmi, and in order to put some pepper and make it more interesting. Thing is that some of you are very sure about Porcello so I found an opportunity to cash some money; as I said, you can't blame me for trying haha.

 

Anyways, we have an agreement, the only doubt I have is how long the sign is going to be managed by the winner? A month? Or how long do you suggest?

 

One month sounds good. And nothing obscene.

[VA Sox Fan]

The best thing about this thread is that I learned sbf is taking a hiatus. AMEN!

 

He won't be here to throw his childish fits, use stupid ass nicknames for players etc, claim to not understand the GT rules when last June he started 3 GT's and we won those 3 games but he admitted to not wanting to start the 4th GT because he knew the Sox were gonna lose. What a joke of a poster.

[a700hitter]

Yes, the posters should always be a topic of discussion.

[a700hitter]

It's like how my old boss went to a conference once and came back saying "SOP" fifty times a day. Use terminology to try to make a point seem more valid.

And that was enough for you to quit yet another job.

[a700hitter]

The hatefest goes on.

Yep, it does. We have some very angry people here who have to demean others. Shame on those of you in the middle who don't call them out on it. Fred is a wild and crazy fan, and he would be the first to admit it. He goes after the players and FO with fervor and he has occasionally crossed the line with other posters, but I he is the bigger person than his attackers as he has several times offered apologies when he has crossed the line. I have never seen an apology offered to Fred by the self righteous haters who are so caught up in their self righteous hate that they can rationalize their abhorrent behavior.

[a700hitter]

Also, reading comp skills. Lol...

 

Like UN ever needed someone else to proofread/write his posts... Lol...

You need to cut this s***. Go take a tranquilizer and prepare your next resignation letter at work.

[mvp 78]

And that was enough for you to quit yet another job.

 

You are a f***ing dinosaur.

[mvp 78]

You need to cut this s***. Go take a tranquilizer and prepare your next resignation letter at work.

 

It's not the 1950's anymore. The world has passed you by.

[a700hitter]

You are a f***ing dinosaur.

Yet, my boss begs me not to retire.

[a700hitter]

It's not the 1950's anymore. The world has passed you by.

You are a jerkoff failure. LOL!

[VA Sox Fan]

Yes, the posters should always be a topic of discussion.

 

When it's the worst poster in the history of Talksox it is the topic of discussion. And your blind unending defense of him is unreal.

[a700hitter]

When it's the worst poster in the history of Talksox it is the topic of discussion. And your blind unending defense of him is unreal.

I'm not blind, but the piling on is ridiculous. It's 10 against 1 all the time. Even when he leaves, people are shooting at him. You hate him. Enjoy his absence.

[VA Sox Fan]

I'm not blind, but the piling on is ridiculous. It's 10 against 1 all the time. Even when he leaves, people are shooting at him. You hate him. Enjoy his absence.

 

You're right. I will. I miss this place and will enjoy the 30 days or whatever.

[a700hitter]

You're right. I will. I miss this place and will enjoy the 30 days or whatever.

Good to have you back and I am pretty sure that this place is big enough for both of you.

[Spitball]

I will miss Fred's rants. I hardly ever agree with him, but I like him. He reminds me of the passionate fans I would witness in the early mornings at Joe's Smoke Shop on Congress Street in Portland, Maine, in the late 1970s.

 

I would stop in there on the way to work for a Table Talk pie and a styrofoam cup of coffee. Sometimes I'd have to wait in line for 15-minutes while Joe would go off on a rant to a customer about an issue involving the Red Sox. He had a great Italian/Maine accent. My roommate, who also worked at the same publishing company, would say we had to leave. I would tell her to go on so I could listen to the conversation/rant. It was always total bull but very passionate and entertaining. I was usually late for work a couple of times a week, but it was always worth it. They will always be part of my Red Sox history.

 

I know Fred doesn't have the same accent, but I hear Joe in his rants. I rarely agreed with Joe but always respected his passion. We are all expressing our opinions here. Some of us back our opinions with statistical verification while some expect others to respect our knowledge of the game. It is what a baseball discussion board is about.

 

We need to remember to respect each other's opinions in a civil manor. We are not accomplishing anything here other than expressing our Red Sox passion. Right?

[InfernoOrangeSS]

So, no more talk of pitching in this thread?

[User Name]

I will miss Fred's rants. I hardly ever agree with him, but I like him. He reminds me of the passionate fans I would witness in the early mornings at Joe's Smoke Shop on Congress Street in Portland, Maine, in the late 1970s.

 

I would stop in there on the way to work for a Table Talk pie and a styrofoam cup of coffee. Sometimes I'd have to wait in line for 15-minutes while Joe would go off on a rant to a customer about an issue involving the Red Sox. He had a great Italian/Maine accent. My roommate, who also worked at the same publishing company, would say we had to leave. I would tell her to go on so I could listen to the conversation/rant. It was always total bull but very passionate and entertaining. I was usually late for work a couple of times a week, but it was always worth it. They will always be part of my Red Sox history.

 

I know Fred doesn't have the same accent, but I hear Joe in his rants. I rarely agreed with Joe but always respected his passion. We are all expressing our opinions here. Some of us back our opinions with statistical verification while some expect others to respect our knowledge of the game. It is what a baseball discussion board is about.

 

We need to remember to respect each other's opinions in a civil manor. We are not accomplishing anything here other than expressing our Red Sox passion. Right?

 

Good post, but unrealistic. Some people just can't contain themselves, it's the nature of the internet. Not saying I'm not part of the problem as I clearly am, but I've tried being amicable to all three members of the FOM (especially fred) with disastrous results. As I've said several times, you can be critical of the team/individual players/FO without being an insufferable prick, as many here are. It's not that hard. Also, as YOTN mentioned before, the Mayweathering © as in, needle then duck, has to stop. You can't expect to constantly s*** on other posters and expect to get a free pass. Also, this isn't a dick measuring context, and since I just spoke of no needling, I will mention iortiz directly. People don't care for your bets, because they understand that you're trying to rub that you have a couple spare bucks in your wallet. Cut that s*** out. It's not that people here can't match your economic output, some people just don't like betting, or don't wanna bet money on BS like this. Belittling someone because they don't wanna bet with you is childish. In that respect, both you and Ted need work. Stop playing the victim card and let's stick to baseball, as I know from experience that Ted is capable is doing. It's gotten to the point where I think his opinions are caricatures of what they used to be, and he's become the gom of Red Sox fans. Cut that s*** out too.

 

I just had to get that off my chest. /endrant.

 

I will also try, as I said before, to do my part to minimize the personal fighting posts in this thread (which as Pal said was flame-bait to begin with, cut that s*** out too), as well as the rest of the board.

 

UN? out.

[cp176]

I will miss Fred's rants. I hardly ever agree with him, but I like him. He reminds me of the passionate fans I would witness in the early mornings at Joe's Smoke Shop on Congress Street in Portland, Maine, in the late 1970s.

 

I would stop in there on the way to work for a Table Talk pie and a styrofoam cup of coffee. Sometimes I'd have to wait in line for 15-minutes while Joe would go off on a rant to a customer about an issue involving the Red Sox. He had a great Italian/Maine accent. My roommate, who also worked at the same publishing company, would say we had to leave. I would tell her to go on so I could listen to the conversation/rant. It was always total bull but very passionate and entertaining. I was usually late for work a couple of times a week, but it was always worth it. They will always be part of my Red Sox history.

 

I know Fred doesn't have the same accent, but I hear Joe in his rants. I rarely agreed with Joe but always respected his passion. We are all expressing our opinions here. Some of us back our opinions with statistical verification while some expect others to respect our knowledge of the game. It is what a baseball discussion board is about.

 

We need to remember to respect each other's opinions in a civil manor. We are not accomplishing anything here other than expressing our Red Sox passion. Right?

 

Appropriate and well written post. I am also one of those people that time has past by I guess. I'm not really in to all of the nastiness directed at various posters regardless of what they have said or who they have said it about. Obviously in this day and age of being able to hide behind the computer people feel that it is ok to say anything they want to whether appropriate or not about anyone or anything. The first amendment is a great thing isn't it. Fair game for everything and everybody. Sometimes the cruder the better. There have been many things said here that I can honestly say that I might have felt but never would have put in print. I liked my job and needed it too much. Words in print have a way of following you around.

[a700hitter]

And Spitball's post carries added weight as he is usually on the opposite side of issues from SBF and he appreciates the game in a different way than Fred.

[iortiz]

Good post, but unrealistic. Some people just can't contain themselves, it's the nature of the internet. Not saying I'm not part of the problem as I clearly am, but I've tried being amicable to all three members of the FOM (especially fred) with disastrous results. As I've said several times, you can be critical of the team/individual players/FO without being an insufferable prick, as many here are. It's not that hard. Also, as YOTN mentioned before, the Mayweathering © as in, needle then duck, has to stop. You can't expect to constantly s*** on other posters and expect to get a free pass. Also, this isn't a dick measuring context, and since I just spoke of no needling, I will mention iortiz directly. People don't care for your bets, because they understand that you're trying to rub that you have a couple spare bucks in your wallet. Cut that s*** out. It's not that people here can't match your economic output, some people just don't like betting, or don't wanna bet money on BS like this. Belittling someone because they don't wanna bet with you is childish. In that respect, both you and Ted need work. Stop playing the victim card and let's stick to baseball, as I know from experience that Ted is capable is doing. It's gotten to the point where I think his opinions are caricatures of what they used to be, and he's become the gom of Red Sox fans. Cut that s*** out too.

 

I just had to get that off my chest. /endrant.

 

I will also try, as I said before, to do my part to minimize the personal fighting posts in this thread (which as Pal said was flame-bait to begin with, cut that s*** out too), as well as the rest of the board.

 

UN? out.

You keep beating the betting drum.

 

The betting thing was/is just for fun. Where I live is a very common practice, especially at soccer games. We do it all the time in the office, with family, friends, etc. I'm still not sure why is this a big deal. It's not like we are betting our houses or our cars. I'm not trying to rub that I have a couple spare bucks in my wallet. That's BS. Nor I'm trying to match my economic output, again that's BS. Again It's just to put pepper and make the thing more interesting, nothing more.

 

The problem is not to bet or the act of bet as you are presenting since most of the posters were willing and showed some kind of interest to bet at least their sigs and in your case you said that you weren't willing to bet vs me because you hate me, otherwise you would have bet LOL. The problem was what was on the table to bet. My guess is that probably 100 bucks is too much, as YTN said. Probably if the bet was around 20 USD or something like we do it in the fantasy context, probably more were willing to bet, IDK. Either way I respect those who do not want to bet money reason why I already closed my offer. But again, I do not see a big deal about this.

 

The real problem is that you hate me as you said more than 100 burning suns or something LOL!. If my posts irritates you that much why not you put me on ignore as you said you had me once. Not sure why did you decide to remove me from your list. Most of the times I talk about baseball, sometimes good things (like the offense) and sometimes bad things (like this pitching staff and the strategy behind). Problem is that you irritate so easy when the FO is called out, and take this very personal. Still do not know why. Also you have a loooooong track record of fights with a lot of posters since agin, you take so personal when somebody emit a bad opinion specially against the FO. You can defend the FO without insulting other posters and making cliche comments. You think that by doing this you sound more interesting or something but you do not.

Edited May 4, 2015 by iortiz

[GomesBeard]

I keep opening this thread thinking that there might be some actual discussion of the rotation. I have to stop that. ;-)

[iortiz]

So, no more talk of pitching in this thread?

 

Sure, problem is that there's not too much good things to talk about. My only hope in this rotation was Kelly but is not performing as I thought.

[TedWilliams101]

He's 26 - betting improvement is extremely defensible. $20M is not the going rate for a #1 pitcher, it's the going rate for a #2/3, and in two years it will be the going rate for a #3/#4. The odds of the Porcello deal being a loser are actually quite low.

 

There are 20 pitchers making more than $15 million per year, 11 of which are between $20 and $30 million. Sure, inflation will bring the numbers up over time, but it's simply not true that middle of the rotation guys are getting anything close to $20 million. The top 10 pitchers in baseball get those $20+ million per deals. That leaves ~65% of #1 pitchers (by definition) making under that, and ~ 33% of #1 pitchers making under $15 million.

[a700hitter]

There are 20 pitchers making more than $15 million per year, 11 of which are between $20 and $30 million. Sure, inflation will bring the numbers up over time, but it's simply not true that middle of the rotation guys are getting anything close to $20 million. The top 10 pitchers in baseball get those $20+ million per deals. That leaves ~65% of #1 pitchers (by definition) making under that, and ~ 33% of #1 pitchers making under $15 million.

The Red Sox have established a new market level for middle of the rotation pitchers. Maybe Porcello becomes a #2 or even a #1, but he isn't one yet. When he signed, he was a #3. That will be the new target for agents of middle of the rotation guys. The Red Sox FO helped accelerate the inflation of pitching cost with this deal. Whether it turns out to be a good deal, is not the point that I was making or debating. It was surprising to me that Ben was a market maker in this instance as he had not done that in his tenure. Theo, on the other hand, set the market several times during his tenure.

[Bellhorn04]

There are 20 pitchers making more than $15 million per year, 11 of which are between $20 and $30 million. Sure, inflation will bring the numbers up over time, but it's simply not true that middle of the rotation guys are getting anything close to $20 million. The top 10 pitchers in baseball get those $20+ million per deals. That leaves ~65% of #1 pitchers (by definition) making under that, and ~ 33% of #1 pitchers making under $15 million.

 

Is Lester one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball? Based on what numbers?

[a700hitter]

Is Lester one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball? Based on what numbers?

Seriously Bells, comparing Porcello to Lester. You are out on a limb that will get sawed off.