2015 rotation?

[a700hitter]

Just read this on the ESPN Boston site. OYE!

 

* Despite a tough outing on Saturday against the Yankees, Allen Webster will remain in the Red Sox rotation and is scheduled to make his next start against the Angels on Friday in Anaheim. The right-hander allowed four runs on two hits, with six walks and one strikeout in 2 2/3 innings of work.

 

After the outing, Webster said he lost his release point and couldn’t regain it before the damage was done.

 

“He has a tendency to lead with his body a little bit more and it kind of spiraled in a way yesterday with him,” Farrell said. “As that inning was unfolding, he started leaning more and more with his body and his arm had the inability to catch up consistently to get his release point out front.”

 

While Webster issued four consecutive walks in the top of the third inning, Farrell and pitching coach Juan Nieves were both discussing what the 24-year-old pitcher should work on during his next bullpen session. Still, Farrell believes Webster isn’t too far off.

 

“The one thing we have to be clear with Allen is he’s not as far away as he might seem coming out of that outing,” Farrell said. “Sure, the line score doesn’t lie, but he’s a small adjustment away from being in the strike zone more consistently.”

 

This is good inside information. Get to your bookies and make some money on this!!

[rician blast]

After the outing, Webster said he lost his release point and couldn’t regain it before the damage was done.

 

“He has a tendency to lead with his body a little bit more and it kind of spiraled in a way yesterday with him,” Farrell said. “As that inning was unfolding, he started leaning more and more with his body and his arm had the inability to catch up consistently to get his release point out front.”

 

While Webster issued four consecutive walks in the top of the third inning, Farrell and pitching coach Juan Nieves were both discussing what the 24-year-old pitcher should work on during his next bullpen session. Still, Farrell believes Webster isn’t too far off.

 

“The one thing we have to be clear with Allen is he’s not as far away as he might seem coming out of that outing,” Farrell said. “Sure, the line score doesn’t lie, but he’s a small adjustment away from being in the strike zone more consistently.”

 

Hmmm. How about this conspiracy theory:

 

Farrell and BC have a talk after the game. "Tell Webster his release point was off...blah blah blah. But you have to make him believe you could see it. We'll do the rest."

 

Then Farrell gives the body out front mumbo jumbo to preserve the idea that Webster is a stud prospect. Meanwhile they are thinking "Bard #2...we gotta move this kid."

[Palodios]

Hmmm. How about this conspiracy theory:

 

Farrell and BC have a talk after the game. "Tell Webster his release point was off...blah blah blah. But you have to make him believe you could see it. We'll do the rest."

 

Then Farrell gives the body out front mumbo jumbo to preserve the idea that Webster is a stud prospect. Meanwhile they are thinking "Bard #2...we gotta move this kid."

 

In all fairness, Bard's career was short, but he did dominate major leaguers for most of it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Hmmm. How about this conspiracy theory:

 

Farrell and BC have a talk after the game. "Tell Webster his release point was off...blah blah blah. But you have to make him believe you could see it. We'll do the rest."

 

Then Farrell gives the body out front mumbo jumbo to preserve the idea that Webster is a stud prospect. Meanwhile they are thinking "Bard #2...we gotta move this kid."

 

He can still be Bard #1 if the Sox stick him in the pen. Control issues tend to resolve themselves when you go in shorter stints (See: Bard, Daniel; Miller, Andrew; Betances, Dellin). It may take a little more work than just throwing him in the pen for him to find himself there, but if he can, he can be an absolute shut down guy.

[Spudboy]

He can still be Bard #1 if the Sox stick him in the pen. Control issues tend to resolve themselves when you go in shorter stints (See: Bard, Daniel; Miller, Andrew; Betances, Dellin). It may take a little more work than just throwing him in the pen for him to find himself there, but if he can, he can be an absolute shut down guy.

 

I don't mean to second guess you SFF but why do you say this? What about Webster tells you that he would be a shut down relief guy?

[SoxFanForsyth]

I don't mean to second guess you SFF but why do you say this? What about Webster tells you that he would be a shut down relief guy?

 

I just remember seeing him in short stints during ST in 2013, when the hype machine exploded on this guy. I actually went to ST that year and was there during a game when he came in after Buchholz (it was against the Twins). I was sitting right behind some scouts and, oddly enough, Hazen and Cherrington and that whole crew. They all had guns on Webster and he was pumping 97-99 and it was just absolute filth. His control issues were virtually non-existent. Given, it was spring training, but he was still pounding the zone with 97-99 gas and a bugs bunny change up.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I would be very very interested to see if the Sox put in a claim on Hamels if the Phillies put him on waivers. I can't imagine they wouldn't. Then they'd be able to negotiate w the Phillies without competition.

[YAZMAN]

Hmmm. How about this conspiracy theory:

 

Farrell and BC have a talk after the game. "Tell Webster his release point was off...blah blah blah. But you have to make him believe you could see it. We'll do the rest."

 

Then Farrell gives the body out front mumbo jumbo to preserve the idea that Webster is a stud prospect. Meanwhile they are thinking "Bard #2...we gotta move this kid."

 

All he really needs is a couple of bullpen sessions with Coach Nosehair.

[Gringo]

I expect the brass to make a run at Cole Hamels. No way we go into next season w/o a legit ace.

[rician blast]

Haha. Yazzy. My kid just finished his senior year, played a ridiculous 2B, I couldn't believe the plays he made..but they hit for him for the 1st dozen games. WHo hit for him? Coach NoseHair's kid. Tough pill to swallow. Irony i guess.

 

How's things?

[Spudboy]

Wut?

[Behindenemylines]

De La Rosa is starting to be more consistent. Of the young guys he has been the best so far. If he finishes the year like this I think he would be in the rotation. Haven't seen enough of Kelly yet. The rest of the young guys have not been as consistent.

[Thunder]

If nothing changed with the roster, I definitely like DLR, Ranaudo, Workman, Kelly, and Buchholz as a possible rotation. That's not necessarily in order, though. If one of them doesn't pan out, I'd substitute them for Webster or maybe even Matt Barnes.

[Station 13]

If nothing changed with the roster, I definitely like DLR, Ranaudo, Workman, Kelly, and Buchholz as a possible rotation. That's not necessarily in order, though. If one of them doesn't pan out, I'd substitute them for Webster or maybe even Matt Barnes.

 

So a third place finish at best with that rotation. None of them can toss 200IP. Only Rubby can come close. Everybody else are no. 4-5 starters.

[a700hitter]

So a third place finish at best with that rotation. None of them can toss 200IP. Only Rubby can come close. Everybody else are no. 4-5 starters.

More likely that would be a last place team.

[reYoukilis]

We need at least 2 mlb seasoned starting pitchers next season. To count on all prospects and Buchholz is pure madness. We also need some more bullpen.

[Thunder]

So a third place finish at best with that rotation. None of them can toss 200IP. Only Rubby can come close. Everybody else are no. 4-5 starters.

 

Exactly. That just highlights the need for 1 or 2 quality starters.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If nothing changed with the roster, I definitely like DLR, Ranaudo, Workman, Kelly, and Buchholz as a possible rotation. That's not necessarily in order, though. If one of them doesn't pan out, I'd substitute them for Webster or maybe even Matt Barnes.

 

There is actually a 0% chance of this happening. No chance at all, whatsoever.

 

The Sox will acquire two of these three pitchers this offseason: Lester, Hamels, Shields.

 

I would guarantee they get AT LEAST one of Lester and Hamels, and then compliment that with a Shields, Cueto, Zimmerman type.

 

The Sox rotation going into 2015 will be Lester/Hamels - Hamels/Shields/Cueto/Zimmermann - Buchholz - Kelly - RDLR.

 

Depth will be Henry Owens, Brian Johnson, Ranaudo, Barnes.

 

Bullpen will include both Workman and Webster, along with Taz, Uehara, Badenhop, Mujica, and a lefty (Miller?). Solid pen.

[Bellhorn04]

Bullpen will include both Workman and Webster, along with Taz, Uehara, Badenhop, Mujica, and a lefty (Miller?). Solid pen.

 

Don't forget Tommy Night Train Layne.

[Behindenemylines]

There is actually a 0% chance of this happening. No chance at all, whatsoever.

 

The Sox will acquire two of these three pitchers this offseason: Lester, Hamels, Shields.

 

I would guarantee they get AT LEAST one of Lester and Hamels, and then compliment that with a Shields, Cueto, Zimmerman type.

 

The Sox rotation going into 2015 will be Lester/Hamels - Hamels/Shields/Cueto/Zimmermann - Buchholz - Kelly - RDLR.

 

Depth will be Henry Owens, Brian Johnson, Ranaudo, Barnes.

 

Bullpen will include both Workman and Webster, along with Taz, Uehara, Badenhop, Mujica, and a lefty (Miller?). Solid pen.

 

I agree with a lot of this, but some of those young arms will be used to bring back some help in the lineup.

[rician blast]

Buchholz

Rubby De La Rosa

Workman

Webster

Ranaudo

 

ummm...71-91?

[a700hitter]

ummm...71-91?

That is optimistic.

[seabeachfred]

That is optimistic.

 

If John Henry is really thinking he can pass of that rotation to Red Sox fans, the media and the press, he either thinks we're naive and stupid, that he is going to be allowed another mulligan next season or, as is most likely, he has lost his marbles and is finally being exposed to everyone as a moron. We need bonafide No. 1 and a solid No. 2------do the names Schilling and Martinez, Beckett and Matsuzaka, Lester and Lackey bring back any memories? He is going to have to open his wallet whether he likes it or not.......even though he probably thinks he can get away with going the cheap route. He can't and no Red Sox fan should allow him to. One way to prove that to him, and a very easy thing to do, is for the fans to simply stop singing Sweet Caroline in the 8th inning. I've always thought that was stupid anyway and perhaps that is one way to let him know without having to put anybody out that we're not going to stand for this kind s*** play next season.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If John Henry is really thinking he can pass of that rotation to Red Sox fans, the media and the press, he either thinks we're naive and stupid, that he is going to be allowed another mulligan next season or, as is most likely, he has lost his marbles and is finally being exposed to everyone as a moron. We need bonafide No. 1 and a solid No. 2------do the names Schilling and Martinez, Beckett and Matsuzaka, Lester and Lackey bring back any memories? He is going to have to open his wallet whether he likes it or not.......even though he probably thinks he can get away with going the cheap route. He can't and no Red Sox fan should allow him to. One way to prove that to him, and a very easy thing to do, is for the fans to simply stop singing Sweet Caroline in the 8th inning. I've always thought that was stupid anyway and perhaps that is one way to let him know without having to put anybody out that we're not going to stand for this kind s*** play next season.

 

Too many tourists that go to Sox games to ever end the wave or sweet caroline.

[a700hitter]

If John Henry is really thinking he can pass of that rotation to Red Sox fans, the media and the press, he either thinks we're naive and stupid, that he is going to be allowed another mulligan next season or, as is most likely, he has lost his marbles and is finally being exposed to everyone as a moron. We need bonafide No. 1 and a solid No. 2------do the names Schilling and Martinez, Beckett and Matsuzaka, Lester and Lackey bring back any memories? He is going to have to open his wallet whether he likes it or not.......even though he probably thinks he can get away with going the cheap route. He can't and no Red Sox fan should allow him to. One way to prove that to him, and a very easy thing to do, is for the fans to simply stop singing Sweet Caroline in the 8th inning. I've always thought that was stupid anyway and perhaps that is one way to let him know without having to put anybody out that we're not going to stand for this kind s*** play next season.

He can pass it by the fans, but it will not get through the league. That rotation is a rotation for 100 + loss team

[Behindenemylines]

I still think that the #1 and #2 starters for the 2015 rotation are not even on the roster. The Sox can't go with what they have because they have no one that can give them 200 innings. Only three pitchers that are currently on the 40 man roster will be in the April 2015 rotation. Buchholz will probably one of them. That leaves Dela Rosa, Kelly, Webster, Ranaudo and Workman for the other two spots. Owens starts the season in AAA.

[Palodios]

I agree with SFF on this one. Lester and Hamels will be on the Red Sox roster next year.

 

The next three are taking auditions right now. Workman, RDLR, Webster, Ranaudo, Buch and Kelly are pitching for their jobs right now.

[Behindenemylines]

I agree with SFF on this one. Lester and Hamels will be on the Red Sox roster next year.

 

The next three are taking auditions right now. Workman, RDLR, Webster, Ranaudo, Buch and Kelly are pitching for their jobs right now.

 

It would be great if that happened, but two 30 year old pitchers making that kind of $$$$$$ I think is a long shot.

[Spudboy]

It would be great if that happened, but two 30 year old pitchers making that kind of $$$$$$ I think is a long shot.

 

I agree.

[rician blast]

That is optimistic.

 

Yeah, I think I agree. I was more in the 65-97 range initially. SUffice it to say that that rotation would be a pile of suck.