Is it time to trade Bucholz, I think yes

[rjortiz]

Are you still drinking?

 

You still on crystal meth?

[RedSoxNC84]

Capuano has now tossed 14.1 scoreless innings allowing only 8 hits, 2 walks, and striking out 15. When do we put this guy in the rotation?

[BSN07]

We don't. Leave him in the role he's excelling at. If they want to bump someone from the rotation they have resources in AAA.

[Palodios]

We don't. Leave him in the role he's excelling at. If they want to bump someone from the rotation they have resources in AAA.

 

Agreed. The Red Sox pushed an 8th inning World Series reliever to AAA in order to make him a starter. Why try the same thing with another quality late inning reliever before giving Workman his shot?

[mvp 78]

And if we need a few spot starts, I'd rather Webster/RDLR/etc get a shot. Workman should definitely be called up to replace Clay or Doubront once he's ready though.

[reYoukilis]

We need Capuano in the pen. A strong pen was a strength last year and it needs to be again. As for Buchholz, I cant believe what weve seen this season is the real Buchholz. Last start was an improvement and think he'll get it together.

[GomesBeard]

But do we really know the 'real Buchholz'? Is the guy from the first half of 2013 (lights-out) or the second half (hurt)? I'm not really sure. He's been so darn inconsistent (well, maybe it's better to say he's consistent in one area - he always gets hurt)... But I agree that trading him now is dumb. But if he were to get on a run of say 10-3, 9-4 in his next 2 months, I'd consider trading him at the deadline, assuming a decent return...

[reYoukilis]

If we get on a run then itll probably be because of him and then shouldnt trade him. If it were an offensive player Id agree with getting rid of him but despite what people say I think our pitching is not a mountain of strength. Now if we can get another pitcher then ok.

[rjortiz]

Is this the wild trade speculation thread? I'll throw a few names out there to see what people think:

 

Josh Willingham (LF)

Emilio Bonifacio (UTL)

Chris Young (OF)

 

James Shields (SP)

Justin Masterson (SP)

Cliff Lee (SP)

 

The batters would not command a great prospect, and because LF is such a huge hole right now, Willingham and Young could be an extra 1-2 wins over a three month period. Of course, we would be crowned AL East champs if we landed Stanton, but I just put down the more realistic targets. Bonifacio could be a good speed guy off the bench, although I don't know if I could handle the wheelz fetishists demanding he start and lead off in CF.

 

The Royals probably are going to buyers, but how much would you surrender for a rental like Shields or Masterson? They will probably be cheaper in terms of prospects, because the cash flow rich Phillies can eat some money from Lee's contract and ask for the moon. I focused on these three pitchers, because Brandon Workman and say someone like AJ Burnett are not likely to be anything more than marginal improvements over Doubront/Buchholz.

 

Any other ideas?

[Mr Tibbs]

Last start was an improvement and think he'll get it together.

Well, it better be sooner rather than later. Last night was hair pulling cringe worthy. We need a good starter out there to help eat innings. If what Buch and Doubront are doing continues we are in for a long painful season.

[reYoukilis]

Well, it better be sooner rather than later. Last night was hair pulling cringe worthy. We need a good starter out there to help eat innings. If what Buch and Doubront are doing continues we are in for a long painful season.

Only if we can replace him with another good to great pitcher. Even then though, Doubront should be the first to go.

[seabeachfred]

Is this the wild trade speculation thread? I'll throw a few names out there to see what people think:

 

Josh Willingham (LF)

Emilio Bonifacio (UTL)

Chris Young (OF)

 

James Shields (SP)

Justin Masterson (SP)

Cliff Lee (SP)

 

The batters would not command a great prospect, and because LF is such a huge hole right now, Willingham and Young could be an extra 1-2 wins over a three month period. Of course, we would be crowned AL East champs if we landed Stanton, but I just put down the more realistic targets. Bonifacio could be a good speed guy off the bench, although I don't know if I could handle the wheelz fetishists demanding he start and lead off in CF.

 

The Royals probably are going to buyers, but how much would you surrender for a rental like Shields or Masterson? They will probably be cheaper in terms of prospects, because the cash flow rich Phillies can eat some money from Lee's contract and ask for the moon. I focused on these three pitchers, because Brandon Workman and say someone like AJ Burnett are not likely to be anything more than marginal improvements over Doubront/Buchholz.

 

Any other ideas?

 

Let me try RJ. Your suggestions seem fine but I have a couple that might fit in as well or better, but not for pitchers. Those you mentioned are blue chippers but would most likely cost us plenty in prospects and don't forget Masterson is a FA after this season. Out here in LA the Dodgers are underachieving and meandering around about what to do with their four outfielders for three positions and it looks like Andre Ethier is the odd man out. In San Diego there is outfielder Mike Denofria (not sure about his first name). Andre hits left handed, Mike is a righty. One or the other would, if not both would be ideal for the Red Sox since they can both play CF where Bradley, though excellent on defense, is having a miserable time learning to hit in the Big Leagues and it now seems that the Red Sox of all teams might need some hitting. Why not make a play for one or both of those players? As for pitching Jeff Samardzjia is out there and most likely to be traded. Why not us make a move for him. With Doubrant and Buchholz not holding up their ends we could certainly use a good starting pitcher, though I concede Jeff would find it harder in the AL East than the NL Central. The AL East is now wide open and though none of us are really happy with our record so far, some moves could propel us to the head of the class, at least that's the way I see it.

[Palodios]

Fred, I agree with you on Denorfia. He's an excellent corner outfielder who would serve as a great platoon partner for Gomes.

 

I just mentioned Samardzjia in another thread, but he's a 4.00 ERA NL pitcher having a good season. The Cubs have been stockpiling quality talent, and I really don't want to let Theo get his hands on some of the Red Sox's. Masterson is another 4.00 pitcher that probably won't be as good as any pitching project traded for him.

 

The Red Sox will either stand pat for pitching or go for Cliff Lee. Win big, or farm big.

[reYoukilis]

The Red Sox will either stand pat for pitching or go for Cliff Lee. Win big, or farm big.

Pretty much.

 

Other than that I think our team is good. I say leave Bradley alone and have Sizemore platoon with Gomes, and have both Bradley and Sizemore spell Victorino.

[Spitball]

I hope the Sox stand pat unless they can pick up someone like Lee on a salary dump without sacrificing top prospects.

[Dojji]

I hope the Sox stand pat unless they can pick up someone like Lee on a salary dump without sacrificing top prospects.

 

Yeah, this isn't a good time or position to either buy or sell really, we don't know what we are as a team right now, the rest of this month, plus June, are going to tell us a lot about what this team is, and we shouldn't do much until we get that answer.

 

The Sox replaced a number of veterans with young players over the offseason, it may take a few years before those guys come into their own and start carrying the team the way the vets did. We may need to be patient through some mediocre seasons for awhile.

[Behindenemylines]

As of May 17th the Sox are only 2 and a half games out of first in the AL East. Both the Rays and $panks have huge holes in their starting rotations and the O's and Jays SP is questionable. The Sox are one of three teams that have used only three starters so far this season. Both Buchholtz and Doubrount have looked okay at times. So I say stand pat, and as the weather improves as May turns to June I think the SP will be okay.

[seabeachfred]

As of May 17th the Sox are only 2 and a half games out of first in the AL East. Both the Rays and $panks have huge holes in their starting rotations and the O's and Jays SP is questionable. The Sox are one of three teams that have used only three starters so far this season. Both Buchholtz and Doubrount have looked okay at times. So I say stand pat, and as the weather improves as May turns to June I think the SP will be okay.

 

I no longer think so BEL. We have now lost nine or ten one run games this season......if we had won just have of those we'd be in first place. We can't make up those games and as long as Farrell is managing with his head halfway up his rectum we'll keep losing those type of games. Last night might have been the last straw or close to it.....two on no outs in the 7th and he lets Bradley hit??????? He doesn't have him bunt, he lets him swing away. That's right, Bradley can't bunt. He can't hit, he can't bunt and he has little power, yet he plays against both lefties and righties when he should have been sent to Pawtucket before the season as the front said he would be. When a team loses ten one run games in little over a qu arter of the season the problem is not keeping Bradley in for his defense but getting some hitting in the lineup. Sizemore in center or Victorino and reverse their spots, bring Nava up and send Bradley down.

 

Also what is Brock Holt still doing down in the minors when we have he totally useless Herrera taking up a roster spot. All he can do is make outs, errors and get thrown out trying to steal a base because he gets a bad jump and is a stupid base runner. No BEL, unless some changes are made and unless Farrell gets his head out of his ass, this team is heading for a very disappointing season. Hell we can't even win more than two games in a row? That's the sign of a pretty piss poor team.

[reYoukilis]

I no longer think so BEL. We have now lost nine or ten one run games this season......if we had won just have of those we'd be in first place. We can't make up those games and as long as Farrell is managing with his head halfway up his rectum we'll keep losing those type of games. Last night might have been the last straw or close to it.....two on no outs in the 7th and he lets Bradley hit??????? He doesn't have him bunt, he lets him swing away. That's right, Bradley can't bunt. He can't hit, he can't bunt and he has little power, yet he plays against both lefties and righties when he should have been sent to Pawtucket before the season as the front said he would be. When a team loses ten one run games in little over a qu arter of the season the problem is not keeping Bradley in for his defense but getting some hitting in the lineup. Sizemore in center or Victorino and reverse their spots, bring Nava up and send Bradley down.

 

Also what is Brock Holt still doing down in the minors when we have he totally useless Herrera taking up a roster spot. All he can do is make outs, errors and get thrown out trying to steal a base because he gets a bad jump and is a stupid base runner. No BEL, unless some changes are made and unless Farrell gets his head out of his ass, this team is heading for a very disappointing season. Hell we can't even win more than two games in a row? That's the sign of a pretty piss poor team.

I thought you wanted to give the new guys a chance and not get Drew and Sizemore? That dead horse tells me so.

[seabeachfred]

I thought you wanted to give the new guys a chance and not get Drew and Sizemore? That dead horse tells me so.

 

Yes I did Youk---but after ST and what has transpired the first month and a half I don't need a see and eye dog to tell me that the young players might not be ready. Certainly Bradley coming off a disastrous Spring and barely hitting 200 has not shown he is ready to face ML pitcher on a regular basis. Bogaerts needs to start driving in runs and hitting much better with runners in scoring position and as for Middlebrooks, his calf injury really slowed him down and it looks like he still doesn't have his timing---and now he's on the shelf for four weeks at least. When realism sets in you have to make adjustments in your thinking. I will say this, though. If people like Pedroia, Victorino, Napoli, Gomes and Nava had been playing up to their capabilities and AJ not being a total washout at catcher, we might still have been able to absorb the growing pains of the youngsters but that hasn't happened.

[reYoukilis]

Yes I did Youk---but after ST and what has transpired the first month and a half I don't need a see and eye dog to tell me that the young players might not be ready. Certainly Bradley coming off a disastrous Spring and barely hitting 200 has not shown he is ready to face ML pitcher on a regular basis. Bogaerts needs to start driving in runs and hitting much better with runners in scoring position and as for Middlebrooks, his calf injury really slowed him down and it looks like he still doesn't have his timing---and now he's on the shelf for four weeks at least. When realism sets in you have to make adjustments in your thinking. I will say this, though. If people like Pedroia, Victorino, Napoli, Gomes and Nava had been playing up to their capabilities and AJ not being a total washout at catcher, we might still have been able to absorb the growing pains of the youngsters but that hasn't happened.

It is worrying but Im still hoping we'll get it together. If not lets reboot the whole operation with our prospects. At least if we're losing then itll be while seeing the rookies grow. I certainly dont want to start spending a bunch of money like the Yankees to solve this problem.

[Behindenemylines]

We should offer Carp and Buchholz for Felix Hernandez. Trade Nava for Stanton. Maybe if we throw in Allen Webster they will give us Jose Fernandez.

 

The best trades are the ones that have no chance of happening.

[sk7326]

Buchholz is at a low point value-wise. Trading him makes sense, but he has to actually get well first. That said, his history points to him figuring this out ... he has generally never been "in between" performancewise.

[dupree]

It's probably time for Buch to go a phantom DL stint and work things out in the minors for a couple of outings. I like Clay and I hope he figures this out. It looks to me like he is smaller this year than he was last year. I don't know if that's actual fact or not but to me he just looked heavier last year than this.

[a700hitter]

Is he injured?

[BSN07]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140527&content_id=77061820&notebook_id=77062196&vkey=notebook_bos&c_id=bos

 

Knee. Looks like this could be the story before the phantom DL stint lol

[Palodios]

Buchholz has gotten on base twice in his major league career, and injured himself doing so twice. How did this guy make it through little league?

[Spudboy]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140527&content_id=77061820¬ebook_id=77062196&vkey=notebook_bos&c_id=bos

 

Knee. Looks like this could be the story before the phantom DL stint lol

 

 

LOL! I just came to this thread to post exactingly what you wrote!!!

 

I did not hear of a knee problem until this article. Okay!

[BSN07]

Buchholz has gotten on base twice in his major league career, and injured himself doing so twice. How did this guy make it through little league?

 

I have my doubts he's actually injured. This gives them a couple weeks to try and sort his mechanics out without having to do it in a game imo. Same with Doubront.

[seabeachfred]

Buchholz has gotten on base twice in his major league career, and injured himself doing so twice. How did this guy make it through little league?

 

I was in San Francisco that Saturday in late June, 2010 when it happened. Buchholz tried to break up a double play and the next thing I know he's being escorted off the field. Oh s***, I said, hurt again the little pansy. We had a 4-0 lead and I wanted to win this series, especially after Wakefield s*** the bed and blew an early lead the night before. Fortunately he bullpen did a credible job and we won that game 4-2 and the next afternoon behind a Lester gem 5-1 over Lincecum. I never felt quite the same about Buchholz again. He just looked like a guy who couldn't help getting out of his own way.