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That's not that crazy. Nava may have stunk it up in the postseason, but he still had a really good season overall.

 

John McDonald, yes, that John McDonald, is getting himself a nice, shiny ring. So are:

 

Daniel Bard

Brock Holt

Jonathan Diaz

Brandon Snyder

Joel Hanrahan

Jose De La Torre

 

So are:

Jackie Bradley, Jr.

Franklin Morales

Felix Doubront

Ryan Dempster

Jose Iglesias

Ryan Lavarnway

Andrew Bailey

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Posted
So are:

Jackie Bradley, Jr.

Franklin Morales

Felix Doubront

Ryan Dempster

Jose Iglesias

Ryan Lavarnway

Andrew Bailey

 

Uh, ok?

Posted
A guy like Daniel Nava will own in his possession a World Series ring. Insane.

 

True that! I have a feeling that Nava is going to have a break out year next year. I am thinking 20 HR kind of season.

Posted
No doubt. He was hurt. Shouldn't have pitched that long with an injury. If they replace his arm at the trade deadline in 2011, they make the postseason.

 

Well if they trade him in 2011 we don't win the WS in 2013. So I'm glad we kept him.

 

Red Sox had the lowest team batting average of any World Series Winner!!

 

David Ortiz WS Batting average .688

2nd highest in WS history.

 

Ortiz .465 career WS batting average - highest in major league history of any player with at least 50 plate appearances.

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Well if they trade him in 2011 we don't win the WS in 2013. So I'm glad we kept him.

 

Red Sox had the lowest team batting average of any World Series Winner!!

 

David Ortiz WS Batting average .688

2nd highest in WS history.

 

Ortiz .465 career WS batting average - highest in major league history of any player with at least 50 plate appearances.

 

I didn't say dump him in 2011, he wouldn't have passed a physical anyway. I just thought they should have brought in more arms at that deadline.

Posted
This was his breakout year..

 

I'm using the same prediction for Nava I did last year. 10-15 HR, .750-.780 OPS, heavy on the OBP, light on power for a corner OF.

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Ortiz has the 4th highest career (min: 36 plate appearances or 14 BB + H) OPS in World Series history, at 1.372 (in 3 WS). The guys ahead of him all only played in a single WS.

 

He trails:

3) Amos Otis: 1.495

2) Willie Aikens: 1.638

1) Barry Bonds: 1.994

 

 

Jon Lester is at or near the top of all the career (min: 20 IP or 4 decisions) World Series records as well

#2 in ERA, 0.43 (the only run he's allowed in 3 starts was the 4th inning solo HR to Holliday in Game 5 this year)

#3 in WHIP, 0.762

#7 in H/9, 5.143

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World Series Stats

 

Team: 194 ab, 27 r, 41 h, 9 2b, 0 3b, 4 hr, 27 rbi, 21 bb, 59 k, 2 hbp, .211/.291/.330/.621

 

David Ortiz: 16 ab, 7 r, 11 h, 2 2b, 0 3b, 2 hr, 6 rbi, 8 bb, 1 k, 0 hbp, .688/.760/1.188/1.948

 

Rest of Team: 178 ab, 20 r, 30 h, 7 2b, 0 3b, 2 hr, 21 rbi, 13 bb, 58 k, 2 hbp, .169/.233/.241/.474

 

In the WS Ortiz had just 8.2% of the team's at-bats, but:

 

- 25.9% of the team's runs

- 26.8% of the team's hits

- 22.2% of the team's doubles

- 50.0% of the team's home runs

- 22.2% of the team's RBI

- 38.1% of the team's walks

 

Just amazing.

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Somebody today mentioned that the back of today's NY Post had almost nothing about the WS with the exception of a tag line about how many more WS the Spanks have won to date. Pretty lame when you consider what the recent history has been. What is going to be in the next addition of the Post? "Yea and we got Babe Ruth too....So there!!!

 

Jeez you would expect even the Post to have a tiny bit more class than going back to the old saw about total WS won. I guess not.

Posted
I don't see what's strange about it.

 

From independent league ballplayer to world series champion.. That's one hell of a story.

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Somebody today mentioned that the back of today's NY Post had almost nothing about the WS with the exception of a tag line about how many more WS the Spanks have won to date. Pretty lame when you consider what the recent history has been. What is going to be in the next addition of the Post? "Yea and we got Babe Ruth too....So there!!!

 

Jeez you would expect even the Post to have a tiny bit more class than going back to the old saw about total WS won. I guess not.

 

Why do I care about championships that happened before I was born? I don't understand why anyone would be proud of 90 year old championships.

Posted
I have tallied them yet but I would bet that the LOB totals for the post season Sox are not anything like as worrisome as they were doing the regular season. The Sox did not get that many guys on post season in the first place. So I would think LOB percentage is pretty darned small for the post season team compared to the regular season team.
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Jake Peavy bought the duck boat he was riding on.

 

@JakePeavy_44: Wow what a special day! Thank u all from the bottom of my heart! & yes the boat is now mine & hopefully in the family forever!#BostonStrong

Edited by mvp 78
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Boston isn't the only MLB team to end 2013 with a victory.

 

Remember that the Marlins no hit the Tigers on the final day of the season.

Posted
Jimmy Key ('92 Blue Jays and '96 Yankees) and Catfish Hunter ('72 A's and '78 Yankees) did it as well

 

Lackey, though, is the only one to start and win both games. Key in 92 and Hunter in 72 won those games as relievers.

Posted
David Ortiz, paul goldschmidt, and miguel cabrera were the only players to hit to at at least a 300/30/100 clip this year.
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Man talk about withdrawals. Would give just about anything to go back to the very beginning without knowing the outcome.

 

This season had everything. How often do you get so many players on one team at one time with so much to prove to themselves and everybody else. They played baseball like it was meant to be played....hardly something you can expect to see very often any more from a group of professional baseball players under contract. We even had the "made for a movie", obligatory pep talk from team leader Ortiz just when it was really needed and it worked. They did loosen up and started playing again the way they had played to get there, within seconds of said pep talk. They were the best "team" in the post season by a long margin.

 

I have heard some ******** the last 24 hours or so about how LA would have given the Sox more of a fight. ********. The Dodgers went down like dogs to the Cards for crying out loud. The Sox would have beaten their asses too. The whole season was an eye popping example of what can be accomplished if you get enough ballplayers together with just enough talent that are just there to play the game. Nobody was worrying about their next shoe contract or razor commercial. The Sox had just enough of the right kind of veteran leadership in the form of Ortiz and Pedey as well. These guys to a man really did not have any time for the crap that tends to infect baseball these days. They had a ways to go before they could even think in those terms. So playing the game was really all there was for them to do. How was Prince Fielder going to beat a team like that.....Heck he had to move his next t-bone steak out of the way just to see who was pitching for the opponent that day. The Tigers were woefully ill prepared to play s team like the Sox. They were a team of superstars with no real team personality...just a bunch of very skilled athletes playing the games but really so much like so many squads of highly skilled athletes. They did not look like they should be on the same field with the Sox. I don't even think a healthy Cabrera would have made that much of a difference. They would have played the same disjointed, disconnected baseball regardless.

 

For the most part the Cards were kinda similar to the Sox as far as lack of star power and star power problems at least from appearances. However you could tell that they had not blended into a team in the same sense that the Sox had and in truth the Cards are lucky the Sox did not go through them like a buzz saw. Take a whacky play here or there out of it and the Cards probably get their asses swept. Certainly the Sox would have pulled Wacha apart like a rag doll even in game 2 had they been able to see him during the regular season. Taking the DH away from one of the very few AL teams that had a full time DH and then only winning one game out of three straight in their home park is almost an embarrassment. Even though Ortiz played, he certainly did not hurt the Sox in the field and the Sox still lost Napoli's bat.

 

The Sox may win it again soon but it is hard to imagine that they will win it just exactly this way again. As somebody pointed out...many things worked out for the Sox the way they tend to for championship teams. Only I think even more so because the Sox by their own admission had even less talent than it usually takes and you have to replace that with something. I don't expect to ever see anything like this again at least not in ML Baseball. It is interesting that "teams" loosely similar to the Sox have been the teams that have gone all the way of late. The less we see real teams playing the game the more likely that a real team or something close to it comes away with the brass ring I guess.

 

The Sox did not necessarily have to maintain the same offensive approach against the Cards that they had used all season long but having used same process all season had given them the confidence of knowing that no team in baseball ever successfully broke them down. So when it came time to win games with even more pitching and defense and less offense than they had showed earlier, not only did they do it, more importantly, they played like they knew they could do it. Then just at the moment when it looked like they might just crack, Ortiz steps in and reminds them of who they are.....series over!

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[i don't weep for the Cards - they are going to be factors for a long time - granted maybe without their current manager. Wacha, Martinez, Kelly, Rosenthal - a lot of amazing arms. I think you might have thought the Sox had the pieces of a playoff contender entering the season considering the rotten breaks of the recent past - but the best team in baseball wire to wire, that never had a losing streak of more than what 3 or 4 games? A true 3-dimensional outfit that were able to turn to their run prevention when the offense started to dry up?

 

It is rare that the best team win the World Series - baseball is funny like that. We were, and we did.

Posted (edited)
Remember that the Marlins no hit the Tigers on the final day of the season.

 

Also remember that it was a walk-off no-hitter that ended on a wild pitch. The winning pitcher, Henderson Alvarez, pitched a CG and was standing in the on-deck circle when the final out was recorded.

Edited by Laser Show
Posted
[i don't weep for the Cards - they are going to be factors for a long time - granted maybe without their current manager. Wacha, Martinez, Kelly, Rosenthal - a lot of amazing arms. I think you might have thought the Sox had the pieces of a playoff contender entering the season considering the rotten breaks of the recent past - but the best team in baseball wire to wire, that never had a losing streak of more than what 3 or 4 games? A true 3-dimensional outfit that were able to turn to their run prevention when the offense started to dry up?

 

It is rare that the best team win the World Series - baseball is funny like that. We were, and we did.

 

3 games. The Sox never lost more than three games in a row. That happened five times all season. They were also swept only once all season, on the road (Texas).

Posted
For those like me.....already jones'n for baseball, game 4 of the WS is being shown on MLB right now....6:26 EST. Must endure Cadaver and half-Buck though.
Posted
Man talk about withdrawals. Would give just about anything to go back to the very beginning without knowing the outcome.

 

This season had everything. How often do you get so many players on one team at one time with so much to prove to themselves and everybody else. They played baseball like it was meant to be played....hardly something you can expect to see very often any more from a group of professional baseball players under contract. We even had the "made for a movie", obligatory pep talk from team leader Ortiz just when it was really needed and it worked. They did loosen up and started playing again the way they had played to get there, within seconds of said pep talk. They were the best "team" in the post season by a long margin.

 

I have heard some ******** the last 24 hours or so about how LA would have given the Sox more of a fight. ********. The Dodgers went down like dogs to the Cards for crying out loud. The Sox would have beaten their asses too. The whole season was an eye popping example of what can be accomplished if you get enough ballplayers together with just enough talent that are just there to play the game. Nobody was worrying about their next shoe contract or razor commercial. The Sox had just enough of the right kind of veteran leadership in the form of Ortiz and Pedey as well. These guys to a man really did not have any time for the crap that tends to infect baseball these days. They had a ways to go before they could even think in those terms. So playing the game was really all there was for them to do. How was Prince Fielder going to beat a team like that.....Heck he had to move his next t-bone steak out of the way just to see who was pitching for the opponent that day. The Tigers were woefully ill prepared to play s team like the Sox. They were a team of superstars with no real team personality...just a bunch of very skilled athletes playing the games but really so much like so many squads of highly skilled athletes. They did not look like they should be on the same field with the Sox. I don't even think a healthy Cabrera would have made that much of a difference. They would have played the same disjointed, disconnected baseball regardless.

 

For the most part the Cards were kinda similar to the Sox as far as lack of star power and star power problems at least from appearances. However you could tell that they had not blended into a team in the same sense that the Sox had and in truth the Cards are lucky the Sox did not go through them like a buzz saw. Take a whacky play here or there out of it and the Cards probably get their asses swept. Certainly the Sox would have pulled Wacha apart like a rag doll even in game 2 had they been able to see him during the regular season. Taking the DH away from one of the very few AL teams that had a full time DH and then only winning one game out of three straight in their home park is almost an embarrassment. Even though Ortiz played, he certainly did not hurt the Sox in the field and the Sox still lost Napoli's bat.

 

The Sox may win it again soon but it is hard to imagine that they will win it just exactly this way again. As somebody pointed out...many things worked out for the Sox the way they tend to for championship teams. Only I think even more so because the Sox by their own admission had even less talent than it usually takes and you have to replace that with something. I don't expect to ever see anything like this again at least not in ML Baseball. It is interesting that "teams" loosely similar to the Sox have been the teams that have gone all the way of late. The less we see real teams playing the game the more likely that a real team or something close to it comes away with the brass ring I guess.

 

The Sox did not necessarily have to maintain the same offensive approach against the Cards that they had used all season long but having used same process all season had given them the confidence of knowing that no team in baseball ever successfully broke them down. So when it came time to win games with even more pitching and defense and less offense than they had showed earlier, not only did they do it, more importantly, they played like they knew they could do it. Then just at the moment when it looked like they might just crack, Ortiz steps in and reminds them of who they are.....series over!

 

That was one helluva missive Jung and you hit a home run with the bags full with it. Since I may the oldest guy on this board I can say I'm kind of hard pressed to remember another team that played the game with the determination, drive, will and enthusiasm of our team this season. Certainly they were a throwback to some of the teams of my youth but hard to pick one out. I suppose my first team, the Brooklyn Dodgers of 1947 played that kind of ball as did the Whiz Kids Phillies of 1950 and the Chicago Go Go White Sox of 1959 could also qualify but a funny thing about those league champion teams......none of the three won the World Series.

 

As for that ******** you're hearing about how the Dodgers could have given us a better fight and maybe take our candy, you said what it was....pure unadulterated ********. We all saw how the Cardinals pounded the s*** out of them and their best pitcher that "other" sixth game, and how the hell can anyone expect a moaner like Crawford, a ******** like Beckett and a chronic complainer like Gonzales to lead a team to anywhere but the briny deep when things got tough. Fortunately for me, I haven't heard any Dodger fans out my way saying any such thing. All I'm hearing is how envious Dodger and Angel fans are at what our team did. And, yes, as my wife can verify, I have been stopped in the street and have shaken hands with a number of people who saw me in one of my Red Sox regalia and congratulated our team through me. There are many fans who really know baseball well enough to understand just how special the 2013 Red Sox were.

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