6/2 @ NY Yankees

[User Name]

Meh. 116 wRC+ last year, AL League average 1B was 110 wRC+.

 

He was only slightly better than league average.

 

And has regressed every year for the past three years, and is now coming off a significant wrist injury. Color me unimpressed.

[Palodios]

24 homers is a ton of bombs for a 1B? News to me.

 

Well, that was a 30 HR pace on a short season. Considering the most any Red Sox hit last year was 25, I'd say that is a good amount. As I said, not a star, still solid.

[User Name]

Well, that was a 30 HR pace on a short season. Considering the most any Red Sox hit last year was 25, I'd say that is a good amount. As I said, not a star, still solid.

 

But he didn't hit them. "Pace" means nothing. And what does how many homers a Red Sox player hit last year have to do with Teixeira's production?

 

The point is that he was slightly above average last year, and the trend suggests that he'll be average or worse this year.

[a700hitter]

I'd rather face Lyle Overbay than Texeira -- a career .895 OPS (.807 on a bad year). Heck, I'd rather face Napoli who has a 1 out of 3 chance of striking out. Star or not, Tex is an upgrade for the Yankee lineup.

[User Name]

Napoli last four years: .872 OPS

 

Tex last 4 years: .828 OPS

 

But some would rather face Napoli because he "Strikes out more". Sound logic.

[a700hitter]

Napoli last four years: .872 OPS

 

Tex last 4 years: .828 OPS

 

But some would rather face Napoli because he "Strikes out more". Sound logic.

With a man on third and less than 2 out, yes that is sound logic.

[rjortiz]

I'd rather face Lyle Overbay than Texeira -- a career .895 OPS (.807 on a bad year). Heck, I'd rather face Napoli who has a 1 out of 3 chance of striking out. Star or not, Tex is an upgrade for the Yankee lineup.

 

A pretty good upgrade, too. Overbay is replacement type player.

[User Name]

A pretty good upgrade, too. Overbay is replacement type player.

 

The question isn't whether he's an upgrade, because we all know Overbay sucks. The problem is how much of an upgrade.

 

How do you justify your "pretty good upgrade" comment, when current trends and projections state otherwise? Is Yankee mystique going to help him fight off his continuing regression and help him suffer no ill effects from an injury that has messed up better hitters than he is?

 

I don't get the whole "immediate upgrade" mindset.

[SoxSport]

They could have kept Overbay as a backup to Nap, but preferred Carp who could also play OF. Turns out they now have a surplus of outfielders.

 

Aren't they carrying 13 pitchers right now? That puts a squeeze on the hitters--with the logjams they have.

Sooner or later they'll have to get off the pot with Mortenson. Probably Ciriaco first--to AAA.

[iortiz]

Upgrades or not thing is NYY has made a terrific job handing injuries overall. Today they are only 3 GB. Their FO somehow kept their ship floating. A month ago I said that NY weren't going anywhere this season. Look at them. Our FO should learn how to handle injuries instead of making excuses like last 2 season.

[User Name]

Right, because with multiple DL stints from position players and pitching staff members and their projected closer out for the season, the first place Red Sox haven't handled injuries well and are just making excuses.

 

Do you even think before you post?

[iortiz]

We have made more than anybody expected, but please take your pink glasses out. Our FO last two seasons handled injuries horrible.

 

One of the reasons we are in a good position this year is because we have stayed relatively healthy mostly at pitching.

 

Btw seems like your ignore master feature is failing lol

[rjortiz]

The question isn't whether he's an upgrade, because we all know Overbay sucks. The problem is how much of an upgrade.

 

How do you justify your "pretty good upgrade" comment, when current trends and projections state otherwise? Is Yankee mystique going to help him fight off his continuing regression and help him suffer no ill effects from an injury that has messed up better hitters than he is?

 

I don't get the whole "immediate upgrade" mindset.

 

ZIPS has him as a 1-2 win player. The race has been pretty tight so far. Could be a deciding factor in it.

[mvp 78]

We have made more than anybody expected, but please take your pink glasses out.

 

What does this even mean?

[User Name]

What does this even mean?

 

Dude has no clue what he's talking about. No thought process consistency either.

 

If the Yankees do well despite injuries, good FO management.

 

If the Red Sox do well despite injuries, luck and we need to do something with some pink glasses.

 

GTFO.

[iortiz]

What does this even mean?

 

Isn't clear?

[iortiz]

Dude has no clue what he's talking about. No thought process consistency either.

 

If the Yankees do well despite injuries, good FO management.

 

If the Red Sox do well despite injuries, luck and we need to do something with some pink glasses.

 

GTFO.

 

thought process consistency?, Reading comprehension problems?, etc. nahhhh this is the kind of answers you always make when somebody thinks different.

 

NY has made a terrific job handing injuries. We didn't last couple of season. Where's the inconsistency?

 

Again, we have been relatively healthy thus far mostly at pitching, hopefully we keep this way.

[mvp 78]

Isn't clear?

 

No. That sentence is impossible to follow. Pink glasses? What?

 

And I'm not asking to be a dick. I just don't understand what you are talking about.

[SoxSport]

Upgrades or not thing is NYY has made a terrific job handing injuries overall. Today they are only 3 GB. Their FO somehow kept their ship floating. A month ago I said that NY weren't going anywhere this season. Look at them. Our FO should learn how to handle injuries instead of making excuses like last 2 season.

 

The Yanks look like a sinking ship--they are loaded with too many aging players over the hump. Even mainstays like Sabathia are showing signs of wear and tear. They signed a few bandaids at the start of the season, but now the bandaids are unraveling some. The NY people refer to Youks as if he were a player in his prime. He is over the hump, too. Only a desperate team would have given him $13 mil for a year.

 

The Red Sox, after a disastrous last year, have seemingly turned the tables. The organization has gotten back in synch. They have more and better young players than the Yankees, so the future looks bright. Don't underestimate the Yanks, though--they are a bottomless money pit of local cable money in the biggest sports market.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Maybe iortiz meant "take off the rose colored glasses" instead? :dunno:

 

Figures when I get a day shift, the Sox don't play. I'll be lucky if I even get to watch 25% of the games at this rate.

[mvp 78]

Maybe iortiz meant "take off the rose colored glasses" instead? :dunno:

 

.

 

I didn't want to infer anything. Was hoping iortiz would explain it.

[VA Sox Fan]

Maybe iortiz meant "take off the rose colored glasses" instead? :dunno:

 

Figures when I get a day shift, the Sox don't play. I'll be lucky if I even get to watch 25% of the games at this rate.

 

Or pink hats? The more negative folks like to throw that around.

[Palodios]

But he didn't hit them. "Pace" means nothing.

 

Pace means nothing in SSS, but over his career, he's hit 30+ home runs in every year since 2003. He's also been incredibly healthy and consistent over the course of his career, averaging 150 games a year his entire career.

 

And what does how many homers a Red Sox player hit last year have to do with Teixeira's production?

 

I feel like its silly to say that 30 HRs isn't a lot... if your own team doesn't have a player capable of reaching that feat.

 

The point is that he was slightly above average last year, and the trend suggests that he'll be average or worse this year.

 

I certainly hope you're right. I just think that the sheer consistency that Texeira has shown through his career on both sides of the ball makes me believe the decline will slow, and he'll stabilize at some point.

[jung]

Well it would be hard to argue that Tex coming back is a bad thing for the skanks.

[User Name]

Pace means nothing in SSS, but over his career, he's hit 30+ home runs in every year since 2003. He's also been incredibly healthy and consistent over the course of his career, averaging 150 games a year his entire career.

 

So the four-year downward trend goes completely ignored?

 

OPS by year since 2009:

 

.948

.846

.835

.807

 

That is the complete opposite of consistent, unless you're talking about consistently regressing.

 

I feel like its silly to say that 30 HRs isn't a lot... if your own team doesn't have a player capable of reaching that feat.

 

David Ortiz and WMB were "on pace" to hit 30 last year. They had the capability of doing so, but didn't. Do you see why pace means nothing? This is also why the argument holds zero water. He simply didn't hit 30. He could have, but so could David and WMB, but they didn't.

 

 

I certainly hope you're right. I just think that the sheer consistency that Texeira has shown through his career on both sides of the ball makes me believe the decline will slow, and he'll stabilize at some point.

 

This goes completely against everything statistical analysis has shown us over the years about trends in declining skills. What evidence do you have to back up this claim? The trend of declining production is there. You are arguing for the sake of arguing, since there is absolutely no way to back up your position.

 

Show me a player who showed a pronounced decline for several straight years and then stopped that decline and his numbers "stabilized" without the suspicion of foreign substance abuse. I'll wait here.

[Thunder]

Well it would be hard to argue that Tex coming back is a bad thing for the skanks.

 

Line drive GS, big deal. At Fenway that would be an out, and the guy on third probably wouldn't even try.

[User Name]

Well it would be hard to argue that Tex coming back is a bad thing for the skanks.

 

That's not the point. He's obviously better than Overbay, and Overbay is probably a better offensive option against RHP than Wells right now. But people keep talking about "immediate impact" like he's 2009 Teixeira. He isn't.

[a700hitter]

What is silly is pretending that adding Texeira would not improve any team's lineup.

[Standing Room]

Don't make me bust out the Midol again.

[a700hitter]

I'd prefer that you suffer through it like a man instead of whining like a hypochondriac.