Trades before the deadline?

[italstallianion]

Random question, if a player has a no trade clause, and waives it to be traded to a team, does his no trade clause follow him to that new team? Does waiving it for the trade waive the clause entirely or just for the purposes of the trade?

[mvp 78]

That speaks volumes to the overall sense of general negativity embedded in the Red Sox fanbase.

 

@M*******Sports: Seriously, if the #RedSox trade Buchholz think about all the money they'd save on Vagisil and tampons

[BSN07]

Random question, if a player has a no trade clause, and waives it to be traded to a team, does his no trade clause follow him to that new team? Does waiving it for the trade waive the clause entirely or just for the purposes of the trade?

 

Yes, Young was traded from Texas after waiving his NTC and it is still in effect.

 

from Cafardo,

 

From every indication Phillies won't settle for anything less than Bogaerts at the head of any package for Lee

 

Amaro jr can politely go pound sand.

[User Name]

Doesn't Young only have the rest of this year left on his contract? I'm okay with him potentially being a rental for us and all but I don't see how that would help the Phillies enough to lessen the blow on the prospects it would take to get the deal done.

[Bellhorn04]

Doesn't Young only have the rest of this year left on his contract? I'm okay with him potentially being a rental for us and all but I don't see how that would help the Phillies enough to lessen the blow on the prospects it would take to get the deal done.

 

Correct. Young seems to playing the part of the red herring in this mystery drama.

[Disciples_of_Mueller]

"I will be shocked if the Red Sox don’t trade for a starter before 4 p.m. ET tomorrow. They have the need. They have the prospects."

 

[example1]

Well, shoot, I had hoped to break the ice with some eloquent post about why I've been gone so long, etc., but there's just too much happening on the trade deadline tip to wait to post.

 

So quickly: Where have you been Example1? I was worried you had died.

 

I'm not dead. I've been really busy with two kids under 4 years old, a new job, home remodels for the past 6 months, etc., Not an excuse, just reality. Never found time to jump back into the fray, though I've wanted to at times.

 

Are you here to stay, or just making a random appearance?

 

Too soon to tell. I would like to come back... sometimes I have random thoughts I would like to share, and this is a great group of posters.. most of the time.

 

What do you think about the season so far?

 

That's best for another post.

 

How about the trade deadline? That is what this thread is about, after all.

 

I would love for them to get Lee. However, like others, I would really be reluctant to move Bogaerts (wouldn't move him at all) or Owens, and probably pretty reluctant to move Bradley Jr, especially with Ellsbury's likely departure. Peavy, Norris, et al., don't excite me very much. Michael Young would be a nice addition though, but the Sox should really milk the Phillies' desperation to move him to get one of those deals that nobody dislikes, like Young for [minor league pitcher nobody has heard of at high-A] and [washed up OF who wouldn't get a chance with the big club anyway].

 

The Sox have a great farm system. That means that their current best prospect is much better than their previous best prospects have been. Dealing Matt Barnes or Allen Webster shouldn't be too different from dealing Casey Kelly a few years ago. Dealing Bogaerts is more like dealing Stanton would have been a few years back. He's just off the table in every discussion, I'm sure of it. Bradley is better than many of the recent best prospects, as is Cecchini.

 

If the Phillies got Cecchini, Ranaudo/Barnes and another prospect (Swihart) for Lee it would be a GREAT return for Philly. Three likely MLB contributors with the chance for 2-3 all-stars in the group. They can stay greedy, but the Sox shouldn't and won't let their biggest and best prospects move at all.

 

My take on all of this is that their 2013 success is just icing on the cake. They should be a better, more well-rounded team in 2014. Don't jeopardize the future for the present, unless they get a guy as good as Lee without moving their very best.

 

Thanks for indulging my random reappearance.

[lospunchados]

 

The Sox have a great farm system. That means that their current best prospect is much better than their previous best prospects have been. Dealing Matt Barnes or Allen Webster shouldn't be too different from dealing Casey Kelly a few years ago. Dealing Bogaerts is more like dealing Stanton would have been a few years back. He's just off the table in every discussion, I'm sure of it. Bradley is better than many of the recent best prospects, as is Cecchini.

 

If the Phillies got Cecchini, Ranaudo/Barnes and another prospect (Swihart) for Lee it would be a GREAT return for Philly. Three likely MLB contributors with the chance for 2-3 all-stars in the group. They can stay greedy, but the Sox shouldn't and won't let their biggest and best prospects move at all.

 

My take on all of this is that their 2013 success is just icing on the cake. They should be a better, more well-rounded team in 2014. Don't jeopardize the future for the present, unless they get a guy as good as Lee without moving their very best.

 

 

I agree totally, i would like to actually maybe add a bullpen arm for a low level prospect,maybe someone like Mookie Betts ( as i hear he is kinda blocked at the major league level for a while)and another player for a decent reliever. I mean really, Workman has looked decent so far, and Britton looks like he could be a good relief pitcher down the stretch.

[a700hitter]

E1, you have been missing for so long that Dutchy has had 3 reincarnations.

[sk7326]

Random question, if a player has a no trade clause, and waives it to be traded to a team, does his no trade clause follow him to that new team? Does waiving it for the trade waive the clause entirely or just for the purposes of the trade?

 

I think it depends - that part of the contract is rewritten. I tend not to think of them as no-trade so much as no-trade-for-free.

[sk7326]

Stanton's injury history worries me. I'm not giving up our entire farm for just one guy in the middle of a transition period. I'm sure I'll get called crazy for this but my position right now is to make the top guys off limits and work with what he have in house if nothing is available for a low price.

 

I can see why Stanton is an attractive "guy I'd trade Boegarts for". But despite all that power, a blue chip SS is more valuable than a blue chip corner OF in general. It's not an obvious yes - Kershaw, Trout, that's a different deal entirely.

 

Boegarts for Kershaw makes sense - heck Boegarts and Barnes does. But Boegarts for Lee absolutely not. The Red Sox have the ability to take his money AND the prospects to offer. But the Phillies can't have the best of both.

[Palodios]

I am very concerned by the trend we are seeing with expected demands from selling teams this year. They all seem to be more concerned about a prospect's position in the organization than the actual value of players received. Would it be easier for a losing team to tell its fans "We got teamX's top prospect" ?

 

Besides the Garza trade, which trade has been a huge overpay by the buying team? Relievers have been coming off the market for mediocre pieces.

[italstallianion]

It almost seems beneficial to have a crappy farm system so you can give up your top prospect without really doing much damage. (Crappy in terms of top heavy talent)

[Disciples_of_Mueller]

"Hearing buzz about 3-way trade talks: Peavy to #dbacks, Kennedy to #angels. Not sure who #whitesox would get."

 

[Palodios]

In 3-Way deals, there is one GM who is so entangled by the different players going in different directions that he completely forgets that he's getting fleeced.

[sk7326]

I am very concerned by the trend we are seeing with expected demands from selling teams this year. They all seem to be more concerned about a prospect's position in the organization than the actual value of players received. Would it be easier for a losing team to tell its fans "We got teamX's top prospect" ?

 

Besides the Garza trade, which trade has been a huge overpay by the buying team? Relievers have been coming off the market for mediocre pieces.

 

I don't think it's necessarily prospect rankings in an org ... it's about getting probability as well as upside. You deal a middle reliever, you can live with a compromise on probability. Some dude with tools or a live arm or great raw power but requires a lot of projection and development. Teams want guys close to the bigs - that is what is holding this stuff back. Even in the Red Sox case - aside from Boegarts and Bradley, the top guys are not necessarily 2014 ready ones.

[User Name]

In 3-Way deals, there is one GM who is so entangled by the different players going in different directions that he completely forgets that he's getting fleeced.

 

It's funny you say that, because the last "epic" three-team trade that happened in MLB (The Granderson trade) pretty much benefited all three teams, although at varying degrees.

[SoxSport]

This guy Rich Smith now repeats Young will go to Red Sox or Texas. Yankees no. Seems adamant about it. Is Rosenthal ever wrong?

 

He also says Phillies considering no prospects in return for a team paying all of Lee's salary. The Red Sox are working from the other end--saying they can have any prospect if they pay for most of his salary.

 

I doubt the Phillies fans would be happy about giving Lee away. They want some future stars in return. This salary dance strikes me as a bunch of BS. Pull the damn trigger, Henry, if you want this guy. Or the Dodgers will steal him for nothing.

[SoxSport]

"Hearing buzz about 3-way trade talks: Peavy to #dbacks, Kennedy to #angels. Not sure who #whitesox would get."

 

 

Meanwhile, the Red Sox and Phillies are bickering about Lee's salary while the Dodgers are watching in amusement.

They better get Lee, because it looks like Peavy is spoken for.

[Palodios]

It's funny you say that, because the last "epic" three-team trade that happened in MLB (The Granderson trade) pretty much benefited all three teams, although at varying degrees.

 

Well, not all three team trades are epic though.

[SoxSport]

"I will be shocked if the Red Sox don’t trade for a starter before 4 p.m. ET tomorrow. They have the need. They have the prospects."

 

 

Yeah, but are they decisive enough? They appear to be still bickering about Lee's salary.

[italstallianion]

Gordon Edes @gordonedes

If there is a trade going down involving Bradley, it's not for Peavy, source says

 

 

THANK YOU JESUS!!!!

[Palodios]

Edes -- Marlins source tells me "no way" to any Stanton talk/

[SoxFanForsyth]

If Bradley is dealt it's for Cliff Lee and Cliff Lee only, since Stanton is not available and Bogaerts isn't pulled

[SoxSport]

This Chris Smith guy originally tweeted Bradley, Barnes and Cecchini. He said Phillies high on Barnes and Bradley. He also said Young dropped no trade to Texas and Boston. Hasn't been contradicted on anything so far. Claims his sources are primary--not somebody else's rumors.

[mvp 78]

Glad example made an appearance. Nice to have a voice of reason around here.

[BornToRun]

This Chris Smith guy originally tweeted Bradley, Barnes and Cecchini. He said Phillies high on Barnes and Bradley. He also said Young dropped no trade to Texas and Boston. Hasn't been contradicted on anything so far. Claims his sources are primary--not somebody else's rumors.

 

I will lose my S*** if that's the deal.

[italstallianion]

I'd be (negatively) surprised if that is the deal.

[mvp 78]

I will lose my S*** if that's the deal.

 

Way too much.

[MNSoxChief102]

This from the mental midget... take it for what it's worth (absolutely nada)

 

Whatever is going on with #RedSox - if anything - does not involve Cliff Lee.