Trades before the deadline?

[Standing Room]

What about WMB + A bottle line prospect(Henry owens) for Crain and Peavy?

 

Would that work?

 

Or is that still "selling the farm"

 

Crain is hurt again and won't be traded and Henry Owens isn't worth trading for Peavy.

[Standing Room]

I would like us to look at a third baseman. I wouldn't give up too much to get one because we do have back up options in Bogaerts and Middlebrooks, but Drew and Iglesias not hitting and Iglesias playing poor defense at third base is killing us. I'd check the price on Headley, Frandsen, Aramis Ramirez and Callaspo. More reasonably, we might be able to work something out for someone like Cody Ransom or Placido Polanco.

[italstallianion]

If Iglesias is playing poor 3B defense why don't we have his better defense at short and put Drew/Holt/Snyder at 3B? Would Drew at 3B and Iglesias at SS be better defensively than Iglesias at 3B and Drew at SS?

[Standing Room]

If Iglesias is playing poor 3B defense why don't we have his better defense at short and put Drew/Holt/Snyder at 3B? Would Drew at 3B and Iglesias at SS be better defensively than Iglesias at 3B and Drew at SS?

 

I agree, I think we'd be better overall with Holt or Snyder at third base right now. I would stay away from Drew, since he's never played third base before and he's not hitting at all.

[sk7326]

Lot of small sample size theater here. Iglesias is the better defensive SS than Drew - but Drew has been pretty good too. Aside from platooning against lefties not a ton of reason to sit Drew relative to the other options. 3B has just been a black hole all season - you had to figure Iglesias was going to turn back into a pumpkin at some point (somehow a .470 BABIP was not going to last).

[Standing Room]

I would try to acquire Peavy, Luis Villanueva and Luke Hochevar. Players I would make available include Middlebrooks, Lavarnway, Brentz, Britton, Marrero, Johnson, Wilson, Almanzar, Hazelbaker, Hassan and Kalish.

[mvp 78]

But I was told on here by a former scout that Lavarnway was "the real deal." I'd only have second thoughts on trading WMB.

[Standing Room]

Cody Ransom would be a great guy to have too. Plays every infield position, is hitting .235/.333/.580 against lefthanders.

[Standing Room]

Sean Coyle and Mookie Betts might interest other teams, they're legit prospects but they play second base. We don't need two second base prospects to back up Pedroia.

[seabeachfred]

I still believe we need a quality No. 1 or 2 starter and to me Jake Peavy might be the only one who is available. The Phillies have insisted time and again that Cliff Lee is not for sale and they still believe that in the end they will challenge for a WC spot. One thing that puzzles me is all the negative stuff about Middlebrooks. Yes, he had a rough time when he was with us but he's the same guy who hit 15 homers and hit for a decent average and was a decent run producer. The guy isn't even 25 yet. I still feel that Bogey at short and WMB at third is the best course for us down the road----and they are RH hitters who could help us against lefties that have caused us nothing but trouble this year.

[italstallianion]

I don't consider Jake Peavy to be a number 1 or 2 starter....at least not since his time in San Diego. Factor in the cost (which might mimic the cost of an actual 1 or 2 starter) and the injury history, and check and checkmate...not interested.

[BSN07]

I don't consider Jake Peavy to be a number 1 or 2 starter....at least not since his time in San Diego. Factor in the cost (which might mimic the cost of an actual 1 or 2 starter) and the injury history, and check and checkmate...not interested.

 

Pretty much how I feel. Not many SP I'd be interested in at this point. I think Atlanta gets Peavy.

 

The one deal that peaks the interest meter would be a package deal for Norris and Veras. Norris is more of the mid to back end SP the team needs and Veras has been decent out of the BP. Ranaudo + Brentz + Cechhini(or however the hell you spell it) would be a solid offer and not sting to bad in the prospect department.

 

I've seen a lot of people wanting to trade WMB and to me that's a bad idea. They need to give him another season and if he hasn't progressed this time next year then a change of scenery may be in order. No sense in selling when his value is in the crapper.

[User Name]

That's a horrible trade for the Red Sox. Horrible.

[Standing Room]

Norris is more of the mid to back end SP the team needs and Veras has been decent out of the BP. Ranaudo + Brentz + Cechhini(or however the hell you spell it) would be a solid offer and not sting to bad in the prospect department.

 

Oh my god, no. No way in hell we'd give up two top 100 prospects for the Astros castoffs.

[dduncan6er]

I don't know why anyone is even remotely interested in Norris. I wouldn't part with a single top 10 prospect, and I'm not even sure he's much of an upgrade over Workman.

[BSN07]

That's a horrible trade for the Red Sox. Horrible.

 

Really? All 3 are blocked and the highest rated one is a CIF that lacks power. I don't like trading away the kids but the Sox are not likely to feel the pinch in the development department.

 

Norris is a good mid rotation guy that is controllable passed this season and Veras is a good BP arm at a time when they come at a premium. Any team looking to acquire them is going to have to give a decent package.

 

Is this my ideal situation? Certainly not. I'd rather they keep everyone and throw money at Wilson and Gonzalez. This was just an idea to kick around while we wait for something better to talk about pops up.

Edited July 26, 2013 by BSN07

[BSN07]

Oh my god, no. No way in hell we'd give up two top 100 prospects for the Astros castoffs.

 

Castoffs? Norris is a solid SP and Veras is averaging over a K per inning. You wouldn't want that added to the pen right now?

 

Maybe the offer I thought up is too much, but each one of those guys is blocked by at least one prospect that's better overall.

[User Name]

Ranaudo's stock is sky-high right now so is Cecchini's, who apparently you have not been following closely, since his power has taken a big leap forward, and his approach at the plate has scouts drooling all over themselves. Norris is a mid or back of the rotation guy and Veras is an inconsistent reliever. No thanks.

[Standing Room]

Really? All 3 are blocked and the highest rated one is a CIF that lacks power. I don't like trading away the kids but the Sox are not likely to feel the pinch in the development department.

 

Norris is a goo mid rotation guy that is controllable passed this season and Veras is a good BP arm at a time when they come at a premium. Any team looking to acquire them is going to have to give a decent package.

 

Is this my ideal situation? Certainly not. I'd rather they keep everyone and throw money at Wilson and Gonzalez. This was just an idea to kick around while we wait for something better to talk about pops up.

 

How are they blocked? We could use a third baseman and a starting pitcher right now. Bud Norris isn't even good, why would we give up multiple top 50 prospects in order to acquire him?

[dduncan6er]

I would never consider a SP to be blocked no matter how strong the rotation is. You can always make room for an up and coming SP.

[BSN07]

Ranaudo's stock is sky-high right now so is Cecchini's, who apparently you have not been following closely, since his power has taken a big leap forward, and his approach at the plate has scouts drooling all over themselves. Norris is a mid or back of the rotation guy and Veras is an inconsistent reliever. No thanks.

 

Fair enough. I knew Ranaudo's stock was up but didn't realize it to be that high. Has Cecchini finally started hitting for power? Last time I read something about it, it was saying it hadn't come around yet and his power potential ceiling was pretty low. But that was probably back in early May.

[Orange Juiced]

Yeah, even though Norris intrigues me more than Peavy, no way I'd do that suggested deal. Cecchini is a really good prospect, and Ranaudo - who has always had a very high ceiling - finally seems to be getting it, and he's been very impressive this year. And Brentz isn't just a throw-in either. No thanks on that deal.

[italstallianion]

Cecchini is the reason why I really want to trade Middlebrooks. I've always liked Ranaudo. I wouldn't trade any of the top 10 prospects we have for Garza/Peavy/Norris/Gallardo.

[Orange Juiced]

It's an interesting position the Sox are in with so many quality prospects. The bottom line is that they can't *all* play for the Red Sox, so the best use of some of them as resources is to trade them to fill other needs.

 

The trick is knowing which ones to trade, and maximizing their return. Not always an easy thing to do (they guessed wrong on Scott Cooper v. Jeff Bagwell, for example).

[italstallianion]

Don't you mean Larry Andersen?

 

Edit: Nvmd I think you meant guessing on the wrong prospect, I thought you meant on the value of the sides of the Bagwell deal, which we got Andersen in return.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Phillies are 8 out of the NL East and 9.5 out of the 2nd WC. I'm not going to believe the Sox don't come down with Lee until he's still a Phillie on 8/1.

 

But, in the case that he is not traded to the Red Sox, I am very curious about this guy Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. Has anyone heard anything about him? I would be very interested in seeing what you can get from him because he's not going to cost prospects at all.

[User Name]

Are you really still banging the Lee drums?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Are you really still banging the Lee drums?

 

Til August 1st man, you know I am.

[Orange Juiced]

The Phillies are 8 out of the NL East and 9.5 out of the 2nd WC. I'm not going to believe the Sox don't come down with Lee until he's still a Phillie on 8/1.

 

But, in the case that he is not traded to the Red Sox, I am very curious about this guy Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez. Has anyone heard anything about him? I would be very interested in seeing what you can get from him because he's not going to cost prospects at all.

 

Try this: http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/16284-Shoring-Up-the-Rotation?p=856398&viewfull=1#post856398

[Standing Room]

Til August 1st man, you know I am.

 

We stop there? He could be traded after the deadline if he clears waivers.